Why do Guild Tabards cost so much?

Ace_of_Destiny

It almost seems like a guild is punishing it's members if they require them to buy/wear the guild tabard.
(This affects "smaller guilds" much more than "mega-guilds".)

I have been buying tabards for some of my members if I know they just cannot afford it due to their level.
But, this gets expensive for me...meaning I spend all my personal gold helping my members "suit up" instead of being able to increase my personal bank space.

If a guild allows low level players to join many of them simply cannot affor to buy a tabard.
Perhaps ZOS could lower the price?

Or ZOS could let the gold spent to buy the tabard go into the guild's bank....not into some mysterious "ZOS Offshore Bank Account".
That way a guild could choose to either count that gold towards a member contibuting towards hiring a guild trader, or refund the gold to the member.

Yeah, I am only thinking about myself, and my members.
And, I am sure there is some "rhyme & reason" to the cost.
I admit that.

Rosveen

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Akavir_Sentinel

How much do guild tabards cost? About 2k? Even a brand new, just-installed-the-game player can afford that in an hour or so.

MissBizz

I think they are quite expensive as well. What we do is offer tabards to members and use the guild bank money to purchase them. I'd like to see them be less pricey though, when someone is brand new and starting out - it's just not feasible for them to spend their meager hard earned gold on a cosmetic item

[EDIT] Above post wasn't there when I came into the thread. It's not necessarily that 2k is ridiculously hard to get (although, I personally found it tough) - it's that there are so many more "smart" things to spend gold on early on rather than cosmetic items.

Thymos

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

Ace_of_Destiny

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Two words...

Guild Pride

ontheleftcoast

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

How much do guild tabards cost? About 2k? Even a brand new, just-installed-the-game player can afford that in an hour or so.

If they decide to skip spending gold on anything else. I've got thousands of hours into this game and have accumulated less than half a million in gold. There are so many gold sinks in Tamriel that we have DEFLATION in the game rather than inflation. Prices drop on everything, materials, items, etc. That's because there isn't enough gold and players are forced to undercut and sell at the lowest prices just to sell anything at all.

UltimaJoe777

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Two words...

Guild Pride

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

DenMoria

What do you mean "wear" a tabard?

If I belong to five guilds, do I get a sash like a girl scout to wear them all on?

UrQuan

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

Imagine having a ton of alts and not being organized enough to ever remember where you left your tabard, so you buy one to keep in the inventory of each alt... Mind you, the guilds that I'm in don't require the use of tabards - I just like to wear mine for guild events.

ontheleftcoast

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

Until you get caught stealing every second or third item and are broke from paying the fines. Oh, and having lost the previous couple of items and have to steal them again. Sure, if you're playing a Khajiiti or Bosmer Nightblade and thieving is in your blood go for it. But why should a Nord Templar or Orc Dragon Knight in full heavy armor be required to be a skulking thief? Guild pride? Kiss my fat Orcish @$$ if you think I'm wearing your damn rag.

Ace_of_Destiny

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself, take being part of something more seriously than just looking at it like just another form of "friend list".

And, though my guild isn't one, there are "roleplaying" guilds.
They might require a player to be "in uniform" when doing "Guild Group Activities".
It is bad enough we cannot trade dyed armors so that this type of guild can actually have "guild colors" and a "uniformed" look due to lower leveled members lack of access to many of the dye colors.
I would like to have a Guild Amorer that can make armor sets, dye them the Guild Colors, and then give them out to members...and, like I said, my guild isn't even a "roleplaying" guild. (Though we do accept, and have, "roleplaying" members. It just is not required to be a member.)

I will say it again...
I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

UltimaJoe777

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

Until you get caught stealing every second or third item and are broke from paying the fines. Oh, and having lost the previous couple of items and have to steal them again. Sure, if you're playing a Khajiiti or Bosmer Nightblade and thieving is in your blood go for it. But why should a Nord Templar or Orc Dragon Knight in full heavy armor be required to be a skulking thief? Guild pride? Kiss my fat Orcish @$$ if you think I'm wearing your damn rag.

Loot areas that don't have Guard presence and problem solved. Quite a few Taverns provide ample container quantity and have no guards in them so all you have to watch for (if you fail at stealth that is) is the NPCs attacking you for getting caught too frequently.

Currently the big Tavern in Rawl'kha is my stomping ground so Aldmeri players I would recommend steal from here as there are 2 Safebox spawns, probably about 3 dozen containers total, and absolutely no guards!

Darlgon

Funny thing about that..

The only guild tabard I have avail to buy is from a guild that kicked me over a year ago.

SteveCampsOut

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself, take being part of something more seriously than just looking at it like just another form of "friend list".

And, though my guild isn't one, there are "roleplaying" guilds.
They might require a player to be "in uniform" when doing "Guild Group Activities".
It is bad enough we cannot trade dyed armors so that this type of guild can actually have "guild colors" and a "uniformed" look due to lower leveled members lack of access to many of the dye colors.
I would like to have a Guild Amorer that can make armor sets, dye them the Guild Colors, and then give them out to members...and, like I said, my guild isn't even a "roleplaying" guild. (Though we do accept, and have, "roleplaying" members. It just is not required to be a member.)

I will say it again...
I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Sadly, you can't dye armor unless you're wearing it which would then bind the armor to you, not to mention that many dyes are tied to achievements and not everyone might necessarily have your guild colors.

ontheleftcoast

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

Until you get caught stealing every second or third item and are broke from paying the fines. Oh, and having lost the previous couple of items and have to steal them again. Sure, if you're playing a Khajiiti or Bosmer Nightblade and thieving is in your blood go for it. But why should a Nord Templar or Orc Dragon Knight in full heavy armor be required to be a skulking thief? Guild pride? Kiss my fat Orcish @$$ if you think I'm wearing your damn rag.

Loot areas that don't have Guard presence and problem solved. Quite a few Taverns provide ample container quantity and have no guards in them so all you have to watch for (if you fail at stealth that is) is the NPCs attacking you for getting caught too frequently.

Currently the big Tavern in Rawl'kha is my stomping ground so Aldmeri players I would recommend steal from here as there are 2 Safebox spawns, probably about 3 dozen containers total, and absolutely no guards!

The tavern in Rawl'kha is not readily accessible to new characters. You'll be around level 40 by the time you hit it in normal game play. At that point you shouldn't need to steal just to afford a 2K tabard. But at level 10 in Auridon that's another story.

Akavir_Sentinel

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

Until you get caught stealing every second or third item and are broke from paying the fines. Oh, and having lost the previous couple of items and have to steal them again. Sure, if you're playing a Khajiiti or Bosmer Nightblade and thieving is in your blood go for it. But why should a Nord Templar or Orc Dragon Knight in full heavy armor be required to be a skulking thief? Guild pride? Kiss my fat Orcish @$$ if you think I'm wearing your damn rag.

Loot areas that don't have Guard presence and problem solved. Quite a few Taverns provide ample container quantity and have no guards in them so all you have to watch for (if you fail at stealth that is) is the NPCs attacking you for getting caught too frequently.

Currently the big Tavern in Rawl'kha is my stomping ground so Aldmeri players I would recommend steal from here as there are 2 Safebox spawns, probably about 3 dozen containers total, and absolutely no guards!

The tavern in Rawl'kha is not readily accessible to new characters. You'll be around level 40 by the time you hit it in normal game play. At that point you shouldn't need to steal just to afford a 2K tabard. But at level 10 in Auridon that's another story.

In Vulkhel Guard, Auridon, a brand new player can get 2k within an hour easily. There are several buildings that have lootable chests, dressers, etc... with absolutely no witnesses. Loot them, relog, loot them, relog, rinse, repeat, until you reach your max limit for the day and sell them to the fence.

UltimaJoe777

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Also 2k isn't THAT bad. Steal up to 20 green treasures depending on how many if any blues you get and there it is.

Until you get caught stealing every second or third item and are broke from paying the fines. Oh, and having lost the previous couple of items and have to steal them again. Sure, if you're playing a Khajiiti or Bosmer Nightblade and thieving is in your blood go for it. But why should a Nord Templar or Orc Dragon Knight in full heavy armor be required to be a skulking thief? Guild pride? Kiss my fat Orcish @$$ if you think I'm wearing your damn rag.

Loot areas that don't have Guard presence and problem solved. Quite a few Taverns provide ample container quantity and have no guards in them so all you have to watch for (if you fail at stealth that is) is the NPCs attacking you for getting caught too frequently.

Currently the big Tavern in Rawl'kha is my stomping ground so Aldmeri players I would recommend steal from here as there are 2 Safebox spawns, probably about 3 dozen containers total, and absolutely no guards!

The tavern in Rawl'kha is not readily accessible to new characters. You'll be around level 40 by the time you hit it in normal game play. At that point you shouldn't need to steal just to afford a 2K tabard. But at level 10 in Auridon that's another story.

If you're good at dodging mobs as you travel Rawl'kha is definitely accessible. Simply go to Skywatch in Auridon, take a boat to Grahtwood, travel to the Northwest part of Grahtwood to access Malabal Tor, then travel to the Northeast part to get to the Trading Post place that has a gate to Reaper's March and from there Rawl'kha is in the center of that region. Went there with all of my alts who were/are below Lv10 with no problems.

ontheleftcoast

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

If you're good at dodging mobs as you travel Rawl'kha is definitely accessible. Simply go to Skywatch in Auridon, take a boat to Grahtwood, travel to the Northwest part of Grahtwood to access Malabal Tor, then travel to the Northeast part to get to the Trading Post place that has a gate to Reaper's March and from there Rawl'kha is in the center of that region. Went there with all of my alts who were/are below Lv10 with no problems.

That has to be the funniest definition of "readily accessible" that I've seen in many an age.

UltimaJoe777

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

If you're good at dodging mobs as you travel Rawl'kha is definitely accessible. Simply go to Skywatch in Auridon, take a boat to Grahtwood, travel to the Northwest part of Grahtwood to access Malabal Tor, then travel to the Northeast part to get to the Trading Post place that has a gate to Reaper's March and from there Rawl'kha is in the center of that region. Went there with all of my alts who were/are below Lv10 with no problems.

That has to be the funniest definition of "readily accessible" that I've seen in many an age.

Funny or not it's still doable if you know where you need to go lol

In actuality though I found these routes via Crafting Writ markers

ontheleftcoast

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

In Vulkhel Guard, Auridon, a brand new player can get 2k within an hour easily. There are several buildings that have lootable chests, dressers, etc... with absolutely no witnesses. Loot them, relog, loot them, relog, rinse, repeat, until you reach your max limit for the day and sell them to the fence.

And I still don't want to turn every toon I play into a thief just to make some banner fetish guildmaster happy. I love to roleplay my toons. I was sad to find that some quests require breaking and entering to complete them. Really? My goodie two-shoes Templar has to break into a house to help a poor soul trapped as a tree in Rivenspire? WTF kind of logic is that? I'm helping this guy free himself but I have to break into his house like a criminal to do it?

UltimaJoe777

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

In Vulkhel Guard, Auridon, a brand new player can get 2k within an hour easily. There are several buildings that have lootable chests, dressers, etc... with absolutely no witnesses. Loot them, relog, loot them, relog, rinse, repeat, until you reach your max limit for the day and sell them to the fence.

And I still don't want to turn every toon I play into a thief just to make some banner fetish guildmaster happy. I love to roleplay my toons. I was sad to find that some quests require breaking and entering to complete them. Really? My goodie two-shoes Templar has to break into a house to help a poor soul trapped as a tree in Rivenspire? WTF kind of logic is that? I'm helping this guy free himself but I have to break into his house like a criminal to do it?

We're giving advice on moneymaking not Guild Tabard purchases alone lol and we won't blame you for not wanting to go criminal just to make some quick gold in fact I have friends that do not want to be criminals at all but it's still an option regardless. As for quests involving it... Can't really speak for that lol

Thymos

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself, take being part of something more seriously than just looking at it like just another form of "friend list".

And, though my guild isn't one, there are "roleplaying" guilds.
They might require a player to be "in uniform" when doing "Guild Group Activities".
It is bad enough we cannot trade dyed armors so that this type of guild can actually have "guild colors" and a "uniformed" look due to lower leveled members lack of access to many of the dye colors.
I would like to have a Guild Amorer that can make armor sets, dye them the Guild Colors, and then give them out to members...and, like I said, my guild isn't even a "roleplaying" guild. (Though we do accept, and have, "roleplaying" members. It just is not required to be a member.)

I will say it again...
I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Check out my forum signature here. I do come from a guild that is pretty much "older MMORPG Players." Sure it says 25+, but most of the members are 40+

Also, why you do claim to be speaking for yourself, but then introduce the idea that many like yourself want this? Are you speaking for yourself, or many like you?

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself,

BlueGreenMikey

All I know is that I'm not spending any money on something that is purely cosmetic which I can't even see a preview of. And tabard sales should totally go into the guild bank.

UltimaJoe777

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

All I know is that I'm not spending any money on something that is purely cosmetic which I can't even see a preview of. And tabard sales should totally go into the guild bank.

Actually you CAN see a preview if you see another guildie wearing it lol

Ace_of_Destiny

Thymos wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Why would a guild require people to wear a tabard?

Especially when you can join up to 5 guilds...

Imagine being in two guilds that required it.

I think it's a bad guild to require the use of the tabards.

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself, take being part of something more seriously than just looking at it like just another form of "friend list".

And, though my guild isn't one, there are "roleplaying" guilds.
They might require a player to be "in uniform" when doing "Guild Group Activities".
It is bad enough we cannot trade dyed armors so that this type of guild can actually have "guild colors" and a "uniformed" look due to lower leveled members lack of access to many of the dye colors.
I would like to have a Guild Amorer that can make armor sets, dye them the Guild Colors, and then give them out to members...and, like I said, my guild isn't even a "roleplaying" guild. (Though we do accept, and have, "roleplaying" members. It just is not required to be a member.)

I will say it again...
I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Also, why you do claim to be speaking for yourself, but then introduce the idea that many like yourself want this? Are you speaking for yourself, or many like you?

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

I am only speaking for myself in this post.
I do not claim to speak for anyone else.

Many "older MMORPG Players", like myself,

For the same reason that "many people shop at wal-mart" and still I only speak for myself about what I wish they sold there.

There can be "many" of something without "one" having to claim that all think as he/she/it does.

I used the word "many" because I have read numerous places about how "having five guilds reduces loyalty to every guild" in ESO. (I have no opinion on that subject yet. I am giving it some time for me to get used to it.)
"Many" of the people I have "talked" to about that subject are a bit "older"...meaning around my age. (43)
In this usage of the word "many" I am refering to a subset in which a "larger than 50%" number of the people I have personally "talked" to feel a certain way, and are around my personal age.
However...I would still only speak for myself, and let them speak for themselves.

What it boils down to is there are a couple (in this case that words means "two") of ESO forum users that have a very bad habit of posting af if they spoke for everybody for a certain subset of players.
I tried to make it fully evident I am not doing that.

Now, the real question...

Who the frell gets so worked up over the word "many"?
I didn't use the word "most".
Now that I would understand getting worked up about...since it is hard to prove that "most" of any group feels any certain way.
Some people don't even know how they, themselves, feel about some subjects.


In any case....


Have a Great Tamriel Day!

SugaComa

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

It almost seems like a guild is punishing it's members if they require them to buy/wear the guild tabard.
(This affects "smaller guilds" much more than "mega-guilds".)

I have been buying tabards for some of my members if I know they just cannot afford it due to their level.
But, this gets expensive for me...meaning I spend all my personal gold helping my members "suit up" instead of being able to increase my personal bank space.

If a guild allows low level players to join many of them simply cannot affor to buy a tabard.
Perhaps ZOS could lower the price?

Or ZOS could let the gold spent to buy the tabard go into the guild's bank....not into some mysterious "ZOS Offshore Bank Account".
That way a guild could choose to either count that gold towards a member contibuting towards hiring a guild trader, or refund the gold to the member.

Yeah, I am only thinking about myself, and my members.
And, I am sure there is some "rhyme & reason" to the cost.
I admit that.

You're worried about a 2k layout, I'm in a few guilds all who charge members 2k a week or are kicked ... So that they can maintain a guild store , maybe if more people sold stuff at reasonable prices more taxes would be earned and the guilds would become self sufficient

UltimaJoe777

SugaComa wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

It almost seems like a guild is punishing it's members if they require them to buy/wear the guild tabard.
(This affects "smaller guilds" much more than "mega-guilds".)

I have been buying tabards for some of my members if I know they just cannot afford it due to their level.
But, this gets expensive for me...meaning I spend all my personal gold helping my members "suit up" instead of being able to increase my personal bank space.

If a guild allows low level players to join many of them simply cannot affor to buy a tabard.
Perhaps ZOS could lower the price?

Or ZOS could let the gold spent to buy the tabard go into the guild's bank....not into some mysterious "ZOS Offshore Bank Account".
That way a guild could choose to either count that gold towards a member contibuting towards hiring a guild trader, or refund the gold to the member.

Yeah, I am only thinking about myself, and my members.
And, I am sure there is some "rhyme & reason" to the cost.
I admit that.

You're worried about a 2k layout, I'm in a few guilds all who charge members 2k a week or are kicked ... So that they can maintain a guild store , maybe if more people sold stuff at reasonable prices more taxes would be earned and the guilds would become self sufficient

I am now officially glad I have opted out of joining trading guilds. One-Guildness FTW

UrQuan

SugaComa wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

It almost seems like a guild is punishing it's members if they require them to buy/wear the guild tabard.
(This affects "smaller guilds" much more than "mega-guilds".)

I have been buying tabards for some of my members if I know they just cannot afford it due to their level.
But, this gets expensive for me...meaning I spend all my personal gold helping my members "suit up" instead of being able to increase my personal bank space.

If a guild allows low level players to join many of them simply cannot affor to buy a tabard.
Perhaps ZOS could lower the price?

Or ZOS could let the gold spent to buy the tabard go into the guild's bank....not into some mysterious "ZOS Offshore Bank Account".
That way a guild could choose to either count that gold towards a member contibuting towards hiring a guild trader, or refund the gold to the member.

Yeah, I am only thinking about myself, and my members.
And, I am sure there is some "rhyme & reason" to the cost.
I admit that.

You're worried about a 2k layout, I'm in a few guilds all who charge members 2k a week or are kicked ... So that they can maintain a guild store , maybe if more people sold stuff at reasonable prices more taxes would be earned and the guilds would become self sufficient

Trading guilds are a different animal, and shouldn't really be compared to more traditional guilds.

Ace_of_Destiny

UrQuan wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

It almost seems like a guild is punishing it's members if they require them to buy/wear the guild tabard.
(This affects "smaller guilds" much more than "mega-guilds".)

I have been buying tabards for some of my members if I know they just cannot afford it due to their level.
But, this gets expensive for me...meaning I spend all my personal gold helping my members "suit up" instead of being able to increase my personal bank space.

If a guild allows low level players to join many of them simply cannot affor to buy a tabard.
Perhaps ZOS could lower the price?

Or ZOS could let the gold spent to buy the tabard go into the guild's bank....not into some mysterious "ZOS Offshore Bank Account".
That way a guild could choose to either count that gold towards a member contibuting towards hiring a guild trader, or refund the gold to the member.

Yeah, I am only thinking about myself, and my members.
And, I am sure there is some "rhyme & reason" to the cost.
I admit that.

You're worried about a 2k layout, I'm in a few guilds all who charge members 2k a week or are kicked ... So that they can maintain a guild store , maybe if more people sold stuff at reasonable prices more taxes would be earned and the guilds would become self sufficient

Trading guilds are a different animal, and shouldn't really be compared to more traditional guilds.

You get an "Insightful".

I couldn't have said it better myself.