Templar DPS 1 Button Rotation

Teiji

Alcast wrote: »

Teiji wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You should mention that you exploited camouflaged hunter even though it was not on your bar, just in case someone wants to copy your build.

Actually camo hunter was on my off bar. It works like any other buff, so it does not have to be on your main bar for it to be active. I also got the extended duration for it on the first mini boss Mad Mortine. Learn the abilities before yelling "exploit."

Evil Hunter duration = 15 seconds, 15 + 15 = 30 seconds. Every Undead & Daedra refreshing the duration not extending it.

It's supposed to work like that, refreshing the duration not extending it, it never has since it was first implemented into the game.

As it stands now you can do Evil Hunter + Expert Hunter duration = 15 + 15x10 or even 15xX [x equal number of undead / daedra slain].

ZOS stated it is working as intended, prolly tooltip wrong

That's incredible, I always thought they'd sell an upgrade in Crown Store as a convenience item.

Camo hunter has infinite duration on PC currently? I know it doesn't have the same Xbox bug, I think?

Attorneyatlawl

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you only do stack Weap dmg+stamina or Spelldmg+magicka then you are doing smth wrong, just sayin

well, actually stacking spelldmg for Mages is still more or less the best way, but it aint so for Stamina

highest spelldmg i have seen = 3,7k
highest weapon dmg i have seen = 5,1k or smth like that

but then again, usually I am sitting around 3,8k weapon dmg

As stacked as I am on spell dmg, I am not lacking resources at all. My off bar is for ulti gen/magicka regen but don't need it for a fight this short. I can do SO HM with this set up and have no magicka issues.

Sadly, for a Templar this is the best set up I could come with as a dps spec and pull good numbers. It is kind of cheesy, but works well.

Switch to Nirn+apprentice in trials and you will get 2-4k dps increase

Actually, already using Nirn. However I've found I kept higher dps with a larger magicka pool vs more spell pen. The CP I have helps as well in this regard.

Max Magicka = Larger Tool Tips

Spell Pen is subjective to the boss you are fighting.

Yep... I found the same was true of the PTS version (360 CP which is around where I'll be on live as he reaches VR14) of my 50k magicka + 2320 spellpower build for the nightblade recently when using sharpened/nirn weaps. Dropping the Mage mundus to go for Apprentice resulted in less damage on the majority of things I tested against with that build. He's going live in the next few days now . I actually eventually think with enough CP I will gain more out of precise on him in both pve and pvp vs nirn, particularly factoring in the 60% crit amp on NB's and how high you can push the spellcrit versus other classes due to the assassination passive *shrug* but I'll have to test that later on. The amount of magicka in the build equals out to an extremely high amount of spellpower when mathed and provides high sustainability for the obvious reasons.

Once I have enough CP to max out Spell Erosion, I'm eager to see if Precise would not be better over Nirn in terms of crit dmg, especially with high enough points into Elfborn. However... no where close to the CP needed, so stuck with Nirn for now... unless the incoming nerf makes it null and void.

Exactly... I'm a long ways' off yet to having the champion rank you'd need to make spell erosion potentially substitute for Nirnhoned weapons , but it eventually may be able to do so.

rokrdt05 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You should mention that you exploited camouflaged hunter even though it was not on your bar, just in case someone wants to copy your build.

Actually camo hunter was on my off bar. It works like any other buff, so it does not have to be on your main bar for it to be active. I also got the extended duration for it on the first mini boss Mad Mortine. Learn the abilities before yelling "exploit."

It's worked the same way since the earliest betas I used it in. Back in the beta phases where the API was allowed to show buff information once addons were available you could see it max out at a one-hour duration. It's intuitive enough... it says it "refreshes it adding 15 seconds", which is intuitive to me in the same way that your spells not becoming wet noodles for simply equipping swords was, back then too (i.e. weapons giving base damage for both spells and physical attacks).

xaraan

Love the music you used for this lol

Emma_Overload

Great job! Not sure I understand the hate OP is getting, but maybe I just look at the game differently. The whole point of a DPS build is to maximize your DPS. What difference does it make how many buttons he presses?

My only problem with this build is that fact that it would be kind of crazy to burn gold on VR14 Cyrodiil rings and gold tempers on the other stuff, when VR16 is right around the corner. Better to save up for the next gear cycle.

rokrdt05

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Great job! Not sure I understand the hate OP is getting, but maybe I just look at the game differently. The whole point of a DPS build is to maximize your DPS. What difference does it make how many buttons he presses?

My only problem with this build is that fact that it would be kind of crazy to burn gold on VR14 Cyrodiil rings and gold tempers on the other stuff, when VR16 is right around the corner. Better to save up for the next gear cycle.

Thank you! However I've actually had this gear for several months, so i didn't really lose out on anything.

I've had another forum post where people were wanting me to link a dps parse. I still have to get a manti parse lol

Xantaria

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

rokrdt05

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

nicholasmccullinb14_ESO

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

I'm sorry, what was your single target dps while soloing bloodspawn? Without warhorn. I've pulled 30k sure. and the fight lasted 15 seconds. This is a single target solo bloodspawn dps test. If you are doing higher dps, my only guess is that its with a stamplar/ravanger build. But i even doubt that. 20k+ is great damage. And the fact that this is possible with ONLY BJ and RD is silly, but not on the OP's behalf, but Zeni for making all the other DOTS like Vamp bane and Destructive touch so weak, they are not worth casting. I like builds with rotations, but sadly, this is the best single target build for a Magicka Templar currently. I personally have tested MULTIPLE rotations, and have found nothing to beat this.

OzJohnD

meh ... put the same skill on all your ability bar slots and I will believe you

Soulshine

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

rokrdt05

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Artis

lol had troubles keeping 9-10k as a magicka NB using some crazy rotation..
This vid is awesome. Let me especially highlight and thank you for the choice of the sound track for this video

Soulshine

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

rokrdt05

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Soulshine

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yes but it would still not be the same. Having 5% buff up for 10 seconds, assuming you bother to refresh it, is not the same as having it up plus another 5%. On the crit score, you would have had more noticable benefit from applying Vampire's Bane if you were not running Mage Light. You would have had the damage bonus applied, plus the critical bonus increase, but then you would have actually had to do a rotation, which apparently was not your goal here.

rokrdt05

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yes but it would still not be the same. Having 5% buff up for 10 seconds, assuming you bother to refresh it, is not the same as having it up plus another 5%. On the crit score, you would have had more noticable benefit from applying Vampire's Bane if you were not running Mage Light. You would have had the damage bonus applied, plus the critical bonus increase, but then you would have actually had to do a rotation, which apparently was not your goal here.

I've actually tested a variety of rotations/gear. This is honestly this best "rotation" (if you can call it that) that works with parsing this well. I'm open to different options/suggestions... however I only ask to see it in effect (as I presented with this video). My goal in the video was simply just parsing on the BloodSpawn from another forum post, were people had asked me to. I know @Alcast wants to see a Manti or Serpent parse with this build. The video was made more comical because of the fact that it's funny the "rotation" I'm using.

JonzzLonewolf

Hi good sir.

Please PM me your address, so that a kind hearted guildie *hint* might be able to mail you a new "3" button to replace your old one, to improve on your DPS. I believe that optimal keyboard mashing will further increase that already awesome DPS.

Jokes aside, well done on showing how "weak magicka templars" CAN pull good damage IF you learn how to optimise it.

Alcast

JonzzLonewolf wrote: »

Hi good sir.

Please PM me your address, so that a kind hearted guildie *hint* might be able to mail you a new "3" button to replace your old one, to improve on your DPS. I believe that optimal keyboard mashing will further increase that already awesome DPS.

Jokes aside, well done on showing how "weak magicka templars" CAN pull good damage IF you learn how to optimise it.

The rotation is pretty easy and YET few have mastered it

Soulshine

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yes but it would still not be the same. Having 5% buff up for 10 seconds, assuming you bother to refresh it, is not the same as having it up plus another 5%. On the crit score, you would have had more noticable benefit from applying Vampire's Bane if you were not running Mage Light. You would have had the damage bonus applied, plus the critical bonus increase, but then you would have actually had to do a rotation, which apparently was not your goal here.

I've actually tested a variety of rotations/gear. This is honestly this best "rotation" (if you can call it that) that works with parsing this well. I'm open to different options/suggestions... however I only ask to see it in effect (as I presented with this video). My goal in the video was simply just parsing on the BloodSpawn from another forum post, were people had asked me to. I know @Alcast wants to see a Manti or Serpent parse with this build. The video was made more comical because of the fact that it's funny the "rotation" I'm using.

I understand that. My point is a simple one: PvP buffs account for a percentage of your output. IMHO tbey have no place to go in a "test" meant to demonstrate actual dps numbers from base builds.

Attorneyatlawl

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

Roselle

Well at least you do DPS.

The song is also a bit catchy.

Soulshine

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

nicholasmccullinb14_ESO

Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

The only time illumunate was active was once he started exocuting. Around 40% of the bosses health. Where instead, he could have had someone else in the group use dawns wrath to give him illuminate. So for 60% of the fight, he essentially had the same buff as illuminate, due to pvp buffs. Only after entering exocute phase did the spell power bonus' stack. And even then, those bonuses actually only scale off your base amount. Meaning, the difference withoit pvp buffs would have only been 1-2 k lower. Still over 20k with spamming only 1 button at a time.

rokrdt05

Roselle wrote: »

Well at least you do DPS.

The song is also a bit catchy.

Why... yes. Yes, I do.

The song is catchy lol

Attorneyatlawl

Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

Except he didn't have his class passive for most of the fight and the PVP buff only would have accounted for a couple of percent at most of his dps, so it doesn't change the point at all .

markt84

Guys stop bumping this post, temps only have 2 close combat skills in 3 skill lines. Blazing shied that apparently is getting nerfed and puncturing sweeps. So that means 1 good close combat attack in 3 skill lines guys. Take that away and all temps are basically turned it to healing mages.

Soulshine

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

Except he didn't have his class passive for most of the fight and the PVP buff only would have accounted for a couple of percent at most of his dps, so it doesn't change the point at all .

The point is clearly being missed. No worries. That is ok

Attorneyatlawl

Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

Except he didn't have his class passive for most of the fight and the PVP buff only would have accounted for a couple of percent at most of his dps, so it doesn't change the point at all .

The point is clearly being missed. No worries. That is ok

The point is that the DPS number would have changed only mildly at best without the tiny PVP buff amount, still hitting well over 21.5k on this obscenely simple rotation . We understand that you're saying there would be a decrease without it.

rokrdt05

markt84 wrote: »

Guys stop bumping this post, temps only have 2 close combat skills in 3 skill lines. Blazing shied that apparently is getting nerfed and puncturing sweeps. So that means 1 good close combat attack in 3 skill lines guys. Take that away and all temps are basically turned it to healing mages.

Yes the nerf to Blazing Shield is unfortunate (really would only have an effect in PvP), but Templars still have access to Dark Flare... which is another good spammable ability. Nothing else in the Templar tree is being nerfed, and any decent Templar will not have a significant (if any) dps loss because of upcoming nerfs.

Actually... the Templar execute is being nerfed now that I think about it... but the extent of the nerf is unknown and therefore can't really make a determination if it will have that much affect in PvE dps.

Soulshine

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Soulshine wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

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rokrdt05 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

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Soulshine wrote: »

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Xantaria wrote: »

but 23k on bloodspawn is nothing so it's whatever.

23K itself is nothing no... but the fact that it's a magicka Templar is what makes it funny. All over the forums you find post about how weak magicka Templars are. Not to mention the only buff I received that I did not apply myself was from Combat Prayer. No warhorn, siphon, ele drain, etc.

According to your character sheet in the video, you were under an Offensive Scroll Bonus I so Combat Prayer was not the only buff... just an observation....

Ah, yes that is an oversight on my part. So I did have the 5% increase to spell dmg (however I could apply this myself with Templar passive) so dps shouldn't be affected as much.

Illuminate passive stacks with the scroll bonus, one does not overwrite the other. That is twice the buff for 10 seconds on any event of Dawn's Wrath ability being activated. You may not think it is significant but it adds up fast.

Yes, I did not say they do not stack. I was implying if I redid this "simulation" I could have the same buff up. I understand how it can increase dps, however you are only looking at 1-2k max... at least with previous testing that I've done. Really what is going to be a major factor at this point is rng in crits, Burning Light procs, and camo hunter procs.

Yep.. @Soulshine, what Fire's point here was that he hadn't procced Illuminate originally, so having that scroll buff only equaled it out to what he would normally be able to do easily in the first place, and the small amount of spellpower doesn't account for a huge amount of DPS in comparison to the overall number.

All buffs play into overall numbers. Again, applying Illuminate buff plus PvP buff adds up.

Except he didn't have his class passive for most of the fight and the PVP buff only would have accounted for a couple of percent at most of his dps, so it doesn't change the point at all .

The point is clearly being missed. No worries. That is ok

The point is that the DPS number would have changed only mildly at best without the tiny PVP buff amount, still hitting well over 21.5k on this obscenely simple rotation . We understand that you're saying there would be a decrease without it.

That is not what I am meaning, but I get that you believe it is. Like I said, no worries.