So. Why did the devs allow Nightblades to one shot?

Dahood2

Seriously? Why has this issue not been patched yet? The fact that stealth cost next to no magic is bad game design. And now they can sit stealth and build focus and 1 shot people from stealth. Typical games where stealth classes dominate pvp. Losing intrest in this game fast

paulsimonps

You are aware of the fact that with the Imperial City release we will also get some pretty big changes in PvP? 50% less dmg taken in PvP and I can't remember the number but also less heals and less dmg shields. Hopefully that will solve the one shot kills and increase the time to kill

Samadhi

What skill were you one-shotted with?

UTG_Zilla

Nightblades have no practical heal (not counting debuffs). They can one shot because they are the 'assassin' class and first few attacks are always strongest for assassins...and then they taper off

Draxys

To be honest, every class can one shot people, it's just way easier for NBs because they're better at stealth. Like someone else said, they are attempting to address this in the upcoming patch, though I still don't understand why they never do any decent balancing outside of major patches. We needed this way sooner.

kevlarto_ESO

It has more to do with the broken sharpened trait on maces animation canceling (maybe macros not sure yet), I have seen other classes instajib in pvp, NB's just a little better equipped for the job, why ZOS waits so long to fixed broken exploitable game mechanics is beyond me I have played mmo's since the 90's and hot fixes were just a regular part of game play.

lathbury

op what are you even on about lol

PBpsy

The devs do not actually have any love for NBs. It is just that sometimes after 1.2 they have decided that stam builds should be viable. At the time that was actually a valid point.They did a lot of changes and by 1.4-1.5 stam was getting gradually decent.That gradual improvement should have continued. In 1.6 hoover ZOS combat mechanics team chose that gradual changes were not actually something they liked and they spontaneously buffed the hell out of stam builds and nerfed everything else in the name of "balance" especially with the CP.
Enjoy!!!

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

I'm a Magicka-based melee Nightblade, and I can't 1-shot anything.

Tips?

Anyone?

xaraan

Well, it kind of depends on how you build your character. If you put more into offense than defense, then it will obviously make it easier to take you down, especially unaware. It's not that easy if you aren't glass cannon build. I can count the number of times I've been ganked successfully on my fingers (mostly by one player lol - you know who you are!) and other times by stuff like looking at map, getting lazy on seige or jumping off a wall - all times you kind of deserve to get got. Point is, it's not always about them, sometimes it's also about you.

The upcoming changes to damage will make burst damage a bit lower. So that should help.

Farorin

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

I'm a Magicka-based melee Nightblade, and I can't 1-shot anything.

Tips?

Anyone?

I'm a stam based glass cannon type NB using DW and Bow. I also cannot one shot. I can sometimes two shot if I am fighting another glass cannon build, or someone with equally as low health and armour.

So yeah I agree. Tips?

I have also never since playing this game since beta, been one shotted by anything other than siege. 2 shotted yeah, plenty, but never one shotted.

*Edited for spelling mistake

bowmanz607

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

It has more to do with the broken sharpened trait on maces animation canceling (maybe macros not sure yet), I have seen other classes instajib in pvp, NB's just a little better equipped for the job, why ZOS waits so long to fixed broken exploitable game mechanics is beyond me I have played mmo's since the 90's and hot fixes were just a regular part of game play.

How is sharpened broken?

Sharee

bowmanz607 wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

It has more to do with the broken sharpened trait on maces animation canceling (maybe macros not sure yet), I have seen other classes instajib in pvp, NB's just a little better equipped for the job, why ZOS waits so long to fixed broken exploitable game mechanics is beyond me I have played mmo's since the 90's and hot fixes were just a regular part of game play.

How is sharpened broken?

Sharpened on maces supposedly causes attacks to completely ignore armor.

I have not tested this myself in a controlled environment, but normal gameplay experience both using a sharpened 2H mace on my DK and getting hit by maces seems to support the claim.

bowmanz607

Is this just 2h? I use dw maces and thus does not seem to be the case.

Sharee

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Is this just 2h? I use dw maces and thus does not seem to be the case.

I heard DW maces is the way to go currently. I am however sticking with daggers, stubborn as i am, so no personal experience there

Stannum

oneshot? really?
The only way to one strike kill i see is
Two glass cannons builds (stamina NB vs lihgt armor magika victim) and wreaking blow from stealth (not inviz) with flawless dawnbreaker passive and major+minor wpn dmg buff.

trimsic_ESO

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Nightblades have no practical heal (not counting debuffs). They can one shot because they are the 'assassin' class and first few attacks are always strongest for assassins...and then they taper off

No one shall be able to one-shoot people, no matter the reason why. Everyone should have a chance to react and use his / her skills and kill the offender, assassins included.

Somakarma

Because they are assassins and snipers. That should be enough of an explanation.

Vizier

You typically don't get killed with one attack even from the best NB's. Sometimes if you have 20k or below health and rare as hell if your closer to 30K. What does happen is a series of buffs and attacks that hit in rapid succession for 20-30K.

If you don't like being hit hard from stealth by a NB put on Magelight. Reduces damage by 50% for from stealth hits.

If you are expecting to go hither and thither on your horse without being ganked you should really rethink that strategy. I have no sympathy for folks being ganked by NB or any class for that matter.

Every class can pull huge hits with the right builds. I routinely get hit for 20K plus from skill like Crystal Frags, Proximity detonation and sometime even by heavy attacks. Ya, someone that builds right turn their heavy attacks into strategic nukes.

It happens. IMO NB already got nerfed with 20% reduction in damage from stealth with 1.6. I really don't think they need another damage nerf.

Junglejim82

People need to learn what burst damage is vs a one shot .

UTG_Zilla

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Nightblades have no practical heal (not counting debuffs). They can one shot because they are the 'assassin' class and first few attacks are always strongest for assassins...and then they taper off

No one shall be able to one-shoot people, no matter the reason why. Everyone should have a chance to react and use his / her skills and kill the offender, assassins included.

I didn't say it was right to have one hit kill, i just explained why it can be. And as for the healing statement, imo that's why nb do high damage. They have no sustainability on their own so they have to kill fast.

strikeback1247

I have to admit that I am one of those dirty bursty nightblade gankers, but I do have to say that the oneshots are a problem. There is little to no reaction time for players to react and they are most certainly dead if they were on a horse. I totally agree with the incoming nerf to oneshot builds, especially with the IC probably being a stealth/nightblade heaven.

Suntzu1414

want to know the biggest threat now...isn't NB (i have 2).

its Macros.

This is the primary reason many (not all) people get one shotted (this days)
second reason is lag... :P



Kill Well
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Sharee

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

want to know the biggest threat now...isn't NB (i have 2).

its Macros.

This is the primary reason many (not all) people get one shotted (this days)
second reason is lag... :P



Kill Well
ST

Yep, exactly. Which are two of the reasons why i am very much looking forward to imperial city. On one side, all damage will be nerfed by 30%, so macros won't be able to one-shot people. Macros will be a lot less powerful once the target won't be dead after the unload. On the other side, cyrodiil population cap stays the same, but now will be split over at least 8 zones instead of just one, which should help with the lag a lot.

lifefrombelowb14_ESO

Vizier wrote: »

You typically don't get killed with one attack even from the best NB's. Sometimes if you have 20k or below health and rare as hell if your closer to 30K. What does happen is a series of buffs and attacks that hit in rapid succession for 20-30K.

If you don't like being hit hard from stealth by a NB put on Magelight. Reduces damage by 50% for from stealth hits.

If you are expecting to go hither and thither on your horse without being ganked you should really rethink that strategy. I have no sympathy for folks being ganked by NB or any class for that matter.

Every class can pull huge hits with the right builds. I routinely get hit for 20K plus from skill like Crystal Frags, Proximity detonation and sometime even by heavy attacks. Ya, someone that builds right turn their heavy attacks into strategic nukes.

It happens. IMO NB already got nerfed with 20% reduction in damage from stealth with 1.6. I really don't think they need another damage nerf.

I'm a "Glass Cannon" NB and usually the "one shot" is either Heavy Attack + Surprise combo from stealth or I catch someone not playing smart and they're undead so I land a 13k Heavy with a Camo Hunter proc and get angry whispers.

I am not the only thing out there with a good drop combo either, I've been effectively "one shot" by good DKs with Dragon Leap combos, Streak/Ball of Lightning + Dawnbreaker Sorcs, and Biting Jab Templars that know what they are doing and how to play the game.

lathbury

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

oneshot? really?
The only way to one strike kill i see is
Two glass cannons builds (stamina NB vs lihgt armor magika victim) and wreaking blow from stealth (not inviz) with flawless dawnbreaker passive and major+minor wpn dmg buff.

any class can pull off a stealth wrecking blow not just nightblades used to be sorcs were better at this as a matter off fact. so to the op learn what you are complaining about stealth is not nb specifc and costs no magicka. also have more health and dont stay static without stealthing yourself as wrecking blow is hard to aim on someone moving.