What a joke !!!

bountyspiter

So you guys at ZOS are happy about the general difficulty and challenge the game presents to the majority of players? You listen so much to whinning crying kids who got their lollipops stolen that you downgraded the whole game into a BBBBBOOOOOOOORRRRRIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG package of dungeons and trials. (I will only talk about PvE content here.)

First of all about trials...how can you feel happy about people completing a supposedly hard 12 man raid in 8-10 mins??? And who told you in the first place that Elder scrolls is all about speed??? People who play elder scrolls wanna delve into things seriously and not run like spastics in a raid like we play "need for speed"... You seriously need to reconsider the leader boards rankings...even better delete them once and for all. We don't care who is the fastest guy in the neibourhood.

Second about dungeons...people are complaining "nerf this nerf that" and you keep listening to them. So we eventualy reached a point where ALL (and i'm not exaggerating here, literally done them all) veteran dungeons are doable by 2 guys (i play off-tank dd and my friend full dd). We don't even need a healer for ALL i repeat veteran content in the game right now... Is this a joke or what?

Third and last about arena... we farm normal arena (for the CP when not enough people around) as 2, and yesterday we done veteran arena as 3. Now i believe this is the biggest joke of all... We were playing VDSA as 3 and i was thinking "WOWWWWW this is how VDSA should be and feel like AS 4 !!!!!!!!!"

So you guys there desighning and rebalancing and reevaluating the difficulty and nerfing the *** out of everything 1 year now (sorry for the word picking but believe me this is how a big percentage of the community feel like), should seriously do something about it while there are still devoted people playing this game cause every day that passes by i hear more and more people slept on their keyboards while playing ESO...

Thank in advance for any response

Junkogen

You can make the game harder by using crappy abilities and wearing light armor as a stamina build.

Metal10957

Thanks for the novel, but how do you really feel Bountyspiter?

Akavir_Sentinel

Congrats, OP, you are part of the vast minority (a.k.a. the 1%) that can 2-man all PvE content. For the rest of us, the game is just fine.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Rant much?

Bromburak

Mimimi. Whats new? Mimimi.

As usual.

J2JMC

Junkogen wrote: »

You can make the game harder by using crappy abilities and wearing light armor as a stamina build.

While I do think OP's whining(which oddly enough complains about others whining) is only relevant to a small amount of the community, one should not have to nerf themselves in order for challenging content. Of course, one also has to realize that they may have just developed skills that surpassf 99 percent of the player base. Honestly, OP's post is a just a form of bragging about how good you are. It's just masqueraded as an attempt to provide content so he wont receive crap about it.

One does have to acknwowledge that ZOS has provided players access to a significant amount of tools as a part of their "play as you want" shtick. With the addition of the champion system, it is only natural that players will eventually get to a point where a majority of the content becomes rather simple.

Syntse

I'm sure you 2 manned the content right when it was available for you. Sure it is easy now, I agree. However I've run it multiple times and know exactly how it goes and what skills to use. I like to see you solo the new dungeons coming and make it look easy, not when you have done them 50 times already with competent group.

Of course people will out power the old content eventually.

Junkogen

J2JMC wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

You can make the game harder by using crappy abilities and wearing light armor as a stamina build.

While I do think OP's whining(which oddly enough complains about others whining) is only relevant to a small amount of the community, one should not have to nerf themselves in order for challenging content. Of course, one also has to realize that they may have just developed skills that surpassf 99 percent of the player base. Honestly, OP's post is a just a form of bragging about how good you are. It's just masqueraded as an attempt to provide content so he wont receive crap about it.

One does have to acknwowledge that ZOS has provided players access to a significant amount of tools as a part of their "play as you want" shtick. With the addition of the champion system, it is only natural that players will eventually get to a point where a majority of the content becomes rather simple.

Yeah, it does come off as a little braggy. I do agree with OP, though, that the content is a little too easy.

Dymence

bountyspiter wrote: »

First of all about trials...how can you feel happy about people completing a supposedly hard 12 man raid in 8-10 mins??? And who told you in the first place that Elder scrolls is all about speed??? People who play elder scrolls wanna delve into things seriously and not run like spastics in a raid like we play "need for speed"... You seriously need to reconsider the leader boards rankings...even better delete them once and for all. We don't care who is the fastest guy in the neibourhood.

Speak for yourself. So much "we" in your post, please don't put words in my mouth. Maybe you don't care who's the fastest in any trial, but if you want to have any sort of endgame, this is important.

It presents a challenge in which people who wish to engage can engage. Competition is never a bad thing. It keeps the game alive and makes people strive to be better at what they do and how they do it.

Forestd16b14_ESO

What's he ranting about stop reading after the 2nd sentence.

The Uninvited

bountyspiter wrote: »

So you guys at ZOS are happy about the general difficulty and challenge the game presents to the majority of players?

This is where I stopped reading.

Granz

/sendtissue

CaptainObvious

/setPermaDeath true

Reverb

There's too much rant here to respond linearly, so I'm just going to stick with this piece...

bountyspiter wrote: »

who told you in the first place that Elder scrolls is all about speed??? People who play elder scrolls wanna delve into things seriously

It's not your place to say what people want in an Elder Scrolls game. You don't speak for anybody but yourself. You don't get to dictate what the game is, or should be, for anybody else.

remedios17

omg you are such a cool dude that you can do all content so easily! i'm so jealous.

F7sus4

bountyspiter wrote: »

So you guys at ZOS are happy about the general difficulty and challenge the game presents to the majority of players? You listen so much to whinning crying kids who got their lollipops stolen that you downgraded the whole game into a BBBBBOOOOOOOORRRRRIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG package of dungeons and trials. (I will only talk about PvE content here.)

While I agree and would like the game to be more difficult and challenging, I also understand that it's the paying majority of Average-Joe players who have the voice on the matter. Because targeted market.

Zershar_Vemod

Time for popcorn.

nimander99

Lets get this straight, grinding a few hundred champ points does not count as "ZoS nerf'd" everything...

FilthyMudcrabs

bountyspiter wrote: »

You listen so much to whinning crying kids who got their lollipops sweetrolls stolen

Fixed.

Lord Xanhorn

I do tend to agree with the OP. There should be content and rewards for 100% of your player base. Not just the 95% of players who don't want to learn how to be good at their class and maximize their abilities. The only reason it doesn't exist is because everyone including the worst people in the game feel entitled to be able to see all the content and get all the best gear without any skill. Unfortunately, a lot of devolpers (not just ZOS) tend to agree with this line of thinking.

Rinmaethodain

Look at OP. He spent time getting to max lvl, he spent time grinding to his heart content for CP. He spent time grinding for cash to get best equipment and max all his skills.

And now he is SURPRISED that things are easy?

Go fight naked, you will have your challenge. If you wouldnt rush to the top so fast maybe you would notice that there is a game going on around you.

Emma_Overload

While I don't agree with the OP's argument that Vet content is too easy, I DO believe that ZoS should make it possible for players to crank up the difficulty as much as they want. I don't think it's right to dismiss his complaint out of hand by saying "just play naked" or whatever.

Other players have asked in the past for a difficulty slider, and I'm starting to think that's not a bad idea. I prefer to solo content myself, and I've solo'd all but two of the "normal" instanced dungeons, but I feel like I'm starting to reach the limit of what is possible with my recent Sorc builds. Maybe when I have 1200 CP or so, things will be different, but until then, it would be nice to be able to turn the difficulty DOWN on Vet dungeons, just so I can finally complete one solo.

J2JMC

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

I do tend to agree with the OP. There should be content and rewards for 100% of your player base. Not just the 95% of players who don't want to learn how to be good at their class and maximize their abilities. The only reason it doesn't exist is because everyone including the worst people in the game feel entitled to be able to see all the content and get all the best gear without any skill. Unfortunately, a lot of devolpers (not just ZOS) tend to agree with this line of thinking.

Correct. ZOS and other developers agree with the line of thinking that selling a game to 95% of a target population makes more money than selling it to 5%. I'm not good at math, but that sounds about right to me.

You should probably be grateful. You wouldn't have anyone to feel superior to if developers didn't make games for the masses.

bountyspiter

Metal10957 wrote: »

Thanks for the novel, but how do you really feel Bountyspiter?

I feel really fine thanks for your concern

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Congrats, OP

You said it...not me...if fact people who know me also know that i never brag or feel OP at any given time

"J2JMC wrote: »

While I do think OP's whining(which oddly enough complains about others whining)

This is seriously a complaint post. I dont see any whining anywhere... Whinning would actually be "plz zenimax nerf the manticore i cant kill him, all my friends have killed him". do you see anything like that in there? No...because i actually say these things AS BAD FOR THE GAME!!!! and not as bragging or whinning or whatever you people reply

J2JMC wrote: »

One does have to acknwowledge that ZOS has provided players access to a significant amount of tools as a part of their "play as you want" shtick. With the addition of the champion system, it is only natural that players will eventually get to a point where a majority of the content becomes rather simple.

True, which also means that ZOS should be aware of this when they gave us the option to devastate everything so hard and should rebalance the content accordingly. The way they went about it is giving us superpowers but no super villain to defeat...

Dymence wrote: »

Speak for yourself. So much "we" in your post, please don't put words in my mouth. Maybe you don't care who's the fastest in any trial, but if you want to have any sort of endgame, this is important.

It presents a challenge in which people who wish to engage can engage. Competition is never a bad thing. It keeps the game alive and makes people strive to be better at what they do and how they do it.

Running like a spastic not even caring what the actual instance is like is not end game content by any interpretation. 12 man raids are supposed to be hard because 12 people gotta cooporate and synergize abilities to defeat high challenge targets. Instead what we have here is 12 people mindlessly running about aoeing everything that moves and its not a pet and repeating the same "raid" 5-6 times per hour...not cool at all

Also when i say WE, i mean WE as in " alot of people i know and beyond and alot of people who see things this way" and not personaly you...You sir are an egocentered kid with nothing to propose on the matter and feel violated by the word we??? which is by the way used 2 times (as indicated by you)...If 2 times are alot then i have no further comment

Reverb wrote: »

There's too much rant here to respond linearly, so I'm just going to stick with this piece...

bountyspiter wrote: »

who told you in the first place that Elder scrolls is all about speed??? People who play elder scrolls wanna delve into things seriously

It's not your place to say what people want in an Elder Scrolls game. You don't speak for anybody but yourself. You don't get to dictate what the game is, or should be, for anybody else.

Actualy I am part of the people playing Elder scrolls and as such i'm entitled to whatever opinion i like on the matter. Also i actually speak on behaf of alot of people out there. So i would suggest YOU speak for yourself and nobody else Its you thats dictating things staying static and unchanged actualy and not me. What I do is sharing info and a point of view.

F7sus4 wrote: »

While I agree and would like the game to be more difficult and challenging, I also understand that it's the paying majority of Average-Joe players who have the voice on the matter. Because targeted market.

Agree!!! And i never implied or proposed for ALL content to be ultrahard. But ZOS should set a limit to what they nerf. I dont see anything bad with a number of people not being able to complete a specific whatever dungeon because its ment to present a bigger challenge for hardcore players...Hardcore players are part of the equation here and they need to be fed too.

nimander99 wrote: »

Lets get this straight, grinding a few hundred champ points does not count as "ZoS nerf'd" everything...

Errrrrmmmmm....yes it does when there is no content adjusting accordingly to the new superpowers...

Lord Xanhorn

J2JMC wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

I do tend to agree with the OP. There should be content and rewards for 100% of your player base. Not just the 95% of players who don't want to learn how to be good at their class and maximize their abilities. The only reason it doesn't exist is because everyone including the worst people in the game feel entitled to be able to see all the content and get all the best gear without any skill. Unfortunately, a lot of devolpers (not just ZOS) tend to agree with this line of thinking.

Correct. ZOS and other developers agree with the line of thinking that selling a game to 95% of a target population makes more money than selling it to 5%. I'm not good at math, but that sounds about right to me.

You should probably be grateful. You wouldn't have anyone to feel superior to if developers didn't make games for the masses.

Nope, you missed it in your snide attempt to slight what I was saying. I said I wish they made a game for 100% of their population. I'm not great at math but 100% is better than 95% last I checked.

It would not take a lot of resources to make a brutally difficult version of some content in order to appease the high end crowd while at the same time keeping everything the way it is right now the same.

Da_Whitetiger

Lol.

Mighty_oakk

Noone cares. Play a harder game?

Shunravi

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

I do tend to agree with the OP. There should be content and rewards for 100% of your player base. Not just the 95% of players who don't want to learn how to be good at their class and maximize their abilities. The only reason it doesn't exist is because everyone including the worst people in the game feel entitled to be able to see all the content and get all the best gear without any skill. Unfortunately, a lot of devolpers (not just ZOS) tend to agree with this line of thinking.

Correct. ZOS and other developers agree with the line of thinking that selling a game to 95% of a target population makes more money than selling it to 5%. I'm not good at math, but that sounds about right to me.

You should probably be grateful. You wouldn't have anyone to feel superior to if developers didn't make games for the masses.

Nope, you missed it in your snide attempt to slight what I was saying. I said I wish they made a game for 100% of their population. I'm not great at math but 100% is better than 95% last I checked.

It would not take a lot of resources to make a brutally difficult version of some content in order to appease the high end crowd while at the same time keeping everything the way it is right now the same.

i mean, seriously, they already have dungeon scaling, how hard would it be to a 'cp' levels or something in addition to vet levels? or a 'challenge mode' or some other way to make it more interesting.

And i love how he just jumpped at you like that :P i would say 100% is better than 95%, but apparently he doesnt think so...

Azurulia

I get what the OP is talking about, however this isn't just a problem in ESO, in a problem in all MMO's.

It's how the playerbase for MMO's has changed and morphed over the past several years. MMO's used to be more difficult, and the people who played them used to be much better players than "The majority" that play them now. By making content easier and easier, the games became more and more accessible for a wider audience who aren't necessarily very good at video games for any number of reasons.

This of course was great business for the companies because more players = more money. As for difficulty and challenge of content? Not so much. Unfortunately, as the remotely skilled playerbase got smaller and smaller, their desires became less and less a priority. Because in the end, it's about the bottom line, it's about the money; and the money is in the majority of this not-so-good players.

How I like to describe it, is I feel like an adult being asked to play in a McDonalds play palace on kiddie slides and ball pits with toddlers and little kids. I'm technically "too old" (Too good) to be here, but adults are quickly running out of palces to play, so we are more or less stuck in these play palaces.

And by the looks of things, it's only going to get worse and probably never get better. (More difficult or challenging)

SLy_Kyti

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Look at OP. He spent time getting to max lvl, he spent time grinding to his heart content for CP. He spent time grinding for cash to get best equipment and max all his skills.

And now he is SURPRISED that things are easy?

Go fight naked, you will have your challenge. If you wouldnt rush to the top so fast maybe you would notice that there is a game going on around you.

I have in fact fought delves nekked just for fun. Sadly, it's now possible with all the nerfs.

That said, the poorly worded and inflammatory OP post (we? really?) is a lesson in grinding and whining. One always leads to the other I think. Sounds like it's time for the OP to find another game.