so why DID they stop Night silence 5set stacking with Dark stalker?

Samadhi

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

i never saw the issue, the speed only ever worked IN stealth and OUT of combat, ok i admit the speed needed a slight nerf of like 5-10% but otherwise it was a huge damage sacrifice for mobility/engagement that everything but Nightblades needed when going stealth, wouldn't it be easier to just make it so stealth speed cannot exceed a set amount of speed boost? like 30% or something? so no matter how hard you stack stuff it cant break the limit making stacking every speed buff in stealth pointless.

edit: to add, this was countered by being seen so a set to increase stealth detection or a detection potion shut down the bonus

before anyone points out, put this in general since it involves both skill tree's and crafted sets.

It made NB's extremely OP. Combined with mist form and cloak and concealed weapon, I would go through a swarm of 40 players sieging a keep and burn every single siege weapon without dying. I was surprised it made it to live from PTS at all because the issue was mentioned multiple times in the PTS forum before the patch was released to the live server.

The set was back in the day when many Nightblades burned siege engines because they were not strong enough for actual combat.

The definition of "extremely OP" being setting fire to siege engines tho...

Well the same play style worked really well for ganking also. But yes that was when nightblades where weaker and you had to rely on stealth mechanics more not to die if you were wearing medium armor.

The play style of running around in Sneak and using Mist without killing anyone worked really well for ganking?

Or do you mean that the Sneak Speed set that required massive sacrifices to the damage of opening attacks, and all combat utility after the first attack, allowed players a slightly easier time setting up attacks, even though those attacks were dramatically weaker?

dsalter

so far the only real reason that keeps cropping up is the speed being equal or greater than mount speed... at the sacrifice of damage

dsalter

@ZOS_GinaBruno
any idea if this would be brought back up into consideration by the Crafting sets/Skills team?
the altered 30% cap on move speed while stealthed would be the most viable one or even 25% as currently if you want to play a stealth build efficiantly, you MUST go Nightblade and with the next update, it's nightblade or die in most solo situations

Akavir_Sentinel

You do know that there are other sets that have similar effects, right? Players just want this combination back so they can crawl at 60 miles per hour again.

dsalter

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

You do know that there are other sets that have similar effects, right? Players just want this combination back so they can crawl at 60 miles per hour again.

if you actually read posts from before. i suggest limiting the max speed of sneak. so it cannot go above a set speed.

Attorneyatlawl

driosketch wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

It was nerfed because of one QQer didn't like how it looked to them and that one could out run some horses while in stealth.

probably right actually, i remembered alot of NB's abusing it ontop of their stuff to shuffle in and out of combat while hitting hard
but hence the limiter, damn annoying not being able to effectivly play a stealthy character and struggle with stealth initiation

ItsMeToo wrote: »

It didn't work in combat.

Dark Cloak. But it needed absolutely no nerf, in any case. I argued against it back in the day... .

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129146/lets-clear-up-the-whole-stealth-speed-issue-w-vampires-hard-data-and-actual-testing-inside

Unfortunately, opportunity cost and math seem to be overlooked very, very often on forums like these .

Not that I cared either way, but if I undstood the math, you needed to feed the fastest horse in the game 45/49 apples just to edge out the sneak speed stacking.

Only with concealed on the bar as a vampire along with the five piece night's silence set, and it was still slower than a horse running without sprint. With sprint. the horse would be a solid 10% or so faster, and if you dismounted for just one second out of about every 25, you could pop retreating manuevers just as some do to stay shielded while riding by dismounting with a jump and skill use in the air then immediately re mounting when you landed (net stop of about one second flat, barely any movement loss while moving), sprinting at that ended up making your speed 50% quicker than the fast sneak speed (retreating and sprint are both multiplicative).

As with most things involving math, of which there are more than a few recent firestorms due to not calculating anything out and simply running to post a theoretical complaint , there was a tempest in a teapot about this fairly balanced tradeoff and mechanic resulting in a nerf .