The Return Of Mannimarco

Samadhi

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

If you play TES Oblivion you will go against the king of worms himself, it was on the mage's guild questline

Think that the one in Oblivion may be a necromancer who has stolen Mannimarco's title because

AngryNord wrote: »

He is in Daggerfall, too, IIRC

One of the endings of Daggerfall (all are true) includes giving Mannimarco the power to finally ascend to godhood.

"The Mantella is hurled from Aetherius. Although drawn to the empty chest of great Numidium, the will of the King of Worms commands it to his side. With its power the King of Worms leaves his mortal frame and joins the ranks of the Gods of Oblivion."

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ending-king-worm-necromancer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eisphnhri0

S1ipperyJim

lunarsyed wrote: »

I am wondering if mannimarco will return after the release of the cyrodil city, and if the new story line will feature Mannimarco as the new antagonist. Since we had no option to leave him in Coldharbour. Let me know what you guys think .

You RELEASED Mannimarco???!!!! YOU FOOL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lunarsyed wrote: »

I am wondering if mannimarco will return after the release of the cyrodil city, and if the new story line will feature Mannimarco as the new antagonist. Since we had no option to leave him in Coldharbour. Let me know what you guys think .

You RELEASED Mannimarco???!!!! YOU FOOL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!

Yeah, that's like turning Osama bin Laden loose...

Wolfshead

@Enodoc

I understand your point but fact is that portal we are using in ESO can open rfit in time which mean we can go back in time heck the are few quest already in ESO where you basically go back in time right the wrong that have been made so honest i dont see the problem of make expansion where you can go back in time and try to right the wrong but ofc we will fail not every ending need to be a happy one.

@RazzPitazz

Well you have 3 factions king the can be expansion made about them about future problem heck we are already mess with factions thing by do sliver and gold of Cadwell.

Beside true evil never dead when you defeat it will go away for while to lick it wound and get back there power and then it will come back in other form (anyone that have play RPG and AD&D pen and paper know this). As for Mannimarco as he is part of coldharbour he can very well be use by other evil person or he can return by himself to try to take over for as those in coldharbour is just wandring soulless people the are not really dead.

Basically what i try to do say if the do right with good background story to why we need to go back in time then it can be done and it some lame explain like blizzard did on there last blizzcon.

AngryNord

Samadhi wrote: »

Think that the one in Oblivion may be a necromancer who has stolen Mannimarco's title because

AngryNord wrote: »

He is in Daggerfall, too, IIRC

One of the endings of Daggerfall (all are true) includes giving Mannimarco the power to finally ascend to godhood.

Nope: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mannimarco

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

AngryNord wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Think that the one in Oblivion may be a necromancer who has stolen Mannimarco's title because

AngryNord wrote: »

He is in Daggerfall, too, IIRC

One of the endings of Daggerfall (all are true) includes giving Mannimarco the power to finally ascend to godhood.

Nope: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mannimarco

From the article:

There's some speculation that encounters with the King of Worms since the Warp were merely with a possessed vessel or another necromancer who took the name for effect.

It's just a theory, valid as any. There have been plenty of in game sources spread throughout Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim seemingly confirming his apotheosis, but nothing to reconcile his appearance in Oblivion. We'll probably never know what really happened to him.

Samadhi

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Think that the one in Oblivion may be a necromancer who has stolen Mannimarco's title because

AngryNord wrote: »

He is in Daggerfall, too, IIRC

One of the endings of Daggerfall (all are true) includes giving Mannimarco the power to finally ascend to godhood.

Nope: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mannimarco

From the article:

There's some speculation that encounters with the King of Worms since the Warp were merely with a possessed vessel or another necromancer who took the name for effect.

It's just a theory, valid as any. There have been plenty of in game sources spread throughout Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim seemingly confirming his apotheosis, but nothing to reconcile his appearance in Oblivion. We'll probably never know what really happened to him.

Personally like to stand by the Daggerfall one.
He is encountered during the main story line, and completing the game by giving him the Mantella results in a large boost to Reputation with a variety of groups, suggesting he was pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Fame_given_by_the_King_of_Worms

Some of them are kind of hilarious though, all of the religious groups appreciate the player making him into a god, and the "and its Deity" portions seem to suggest even the Eight Divines approve.
Maybe the Prophet is the real bad guy of ESO, considering how long he set Mannimarco's ascension back by.

In terms of the Oblivion Mannimarco, well...Archmage Traven bans Necromancy in the Mages Guild causing members to leave, and around the same time Mannimarco suddenly appears again.
It could indeed be that he decided to use his powers as a Daedric Prince to manifest or command someone to oppose the Mages Guild.
It is also entirely possible that he had a fanboy who followed his history, admired him for becoming a god, and adopted his name as a mark of opposition to Traven.

Enodoc

Mannimarco's apotheosis in Daggerfall is an odd one. Remember that all endings happened at once. That includes the endings where he didn't ascend to godhood, meaning he both ascended and didn't at the same time. I'm siding with the theory that Oblivion's Mannimarco is a much-less-powerful non-apotheosized version, who lost some of his power during the Warp in the West. The majority of his power was transferred to the Necromancer's Moon, but due to the Warp it also left a mortal vessel behind.

Samadhi

Enodoc wrote: »

Mannimarco's apotheosis in Daggerfall is an odd one. Remember that all endings happened at once. That includes the endings where he didn't ascend to godhood, meaning he both ascended and didn't at the same time. I'm siding with the theory that Oblivion's Mannimarco is a much-less-powerful non-apotheosized version, who lost some of his power during the Warp in the West. The majority of his power was transferred to the Necromancer's Moon, but due to the Warp it also left a mortal vessel behind.

While I like your theory, particularly due to my Oblivion characters celebrating in the Shade of the Revenant, it presents me with a question.

If the existence of endings where events did not occur influence the ones that did, what are the implications for all the endings where Gortwog does not elevate Orsinium back into existence within the Empire?

King of Worms ending is one of two in Daggerfall (the other being returning the Heart to the Underking) that does not pit factions against each other.

The Daggerfall/Sentinel/Wayrest endings all end with each respective area conquering the others, which does not bear much in terms of historical weight.
In terms of wiping out each others armies and maintaining themselves as independent provinces, this accords quite well, pointing towards support of how time and space may be impacted in your theory.

The Orcish ending has Gortwog use Numidium to destroy the armies of the previous three, and makes a new homeland of Orsinium as an equal part of the Empire. This lasts up until the 4th Era.
The Blades ending results in the Empire crushing the rebellious leaders of the area and maintaining the Empire. Obviously ends at the hands of the Dominion.
These two endings do bear historical weight more or less in their context of occurrence.
It could be argued that the eventual failure of these areas is a result of alternate realities where they are unsuccessful; however, it is also highly plausible that genuine political issues were not simply lingering effects of the Warp. Tough call.

King of Worms ending ascends to godhood.
Underking ending takes his heart back and rests peacefully.
These two do not interfere much with the other endings, aside from the factor regarding ownership or location of the Heart.
Suppose the anti-magic field that the Underking causes could interfere slightly, but it does not seem to establish a direct opposition to the other endings.

There is also technically an "ending" where the player keeps the Heart for a year and a day, then Numidium kills him or her.

AngryNord

Because it all happened - Gortwog created Orsinium, the provinces consolidated, Mannimarco became the King of Worms, the Underking takes his heart back, the Numidium kills the Agent...

Samadhi

As an after-thought, in context it seems entirely plausible for Mannimarco to have been in a sort of recovery for the physical body until up to the Oblivion Crisis.

It is really only a 28 year span for someone who has already been in the running for what...around a millennia?

Enodoc

Samadhi wrote: »

It is really only a 28 year span for someone who has already been in the running for what...around a millennia?

Heh, yeah Such are the perils of suddenly ending up with a mortal body again

On the Endings of Daggerfall:

• If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win, the Orcs and the Empire are booted from Iliac Bay and the winning faction controls it all. If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel lose, they are destroyed.
• If the Blades win, the Kings of the Bay and the Orcs are crushed, and Iliac Bay is assimilated into the Empire. If the Blades lose, all Imperial influence in the region crumbles.
• If Gortwog wins, the Kings of the Bay are crushed and the Empire crumbles, and Orsinium is created at a level at least of equal standing to a province. If Gortwog loses, Orsinium is destroyed.
• If Mannimarco wins, he gets apotheosis. If he doesn't, he doesn't.
• If the Underking wins, he gets his heart back and dies peacefully. If he doesn't he shows up to destroy Numidium anyway, and dies anyway.

So for everything to happen, everyone has to win and everyone has to lose, meaning each ending goes half-way:

• Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win and lose, resulting in them neither being destroyed nor controlling all of Iliac Bay, and they each end up with a large section of the region each.
• The Blades win and lose, meaning the Empire has neither crumbled nor assimilated everything, resulting in each of the Kingdoms becoming an Imperial territory, swearing fealty to the Empire but maintaining self-government.
• Gortwog wins and loses, meaning Orsinium isn't destroyed, nor does it encompass the entire bay area as a provincial kingdom. Instead, it is recognised as an independent Imperial territory, but not at a provincial level.
• Mannimarco wins and loses, resulting in apotheosis and non-apotheosis, splitting his essence into a deity and a mortal form.
• The Underking wins and loses, meaning he destroys Numidium but also dies with his heart.

AngryNord

Enodoc wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

It is really only a 28 year span for someone who has already been in the running for what...around a millennia?

Heh, yeah Such are the perils of suddenly ending up with a mortal body again

On the Endings of Daggerfall:

• If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win, the Orcs and the Empire are booted from Iliac Bay and the winning faction controls it all. If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel lose, they are destroyed.
• If the Blades win, the Kings of the Bay and the Orcs are crushed, and Iliac Bay is assimilated into the Empire. If the Blades lose, all Imperial influence in the region crumbles.
• If Gortwog wins, the Kings of the Bay are crushed and the Empire crumbles, and Orsinium is created at a level at least of equal standing to a province. If Gortwog loses, Orsinium is destroyed.
• If Mannimarco wins, he gets apotheosis. If he doesn't, he doesn't.
• If the Underking wins, he gets his heart back and dies peacefully. If he doesn't he shows up to destroy Numidium anyway, and dies anyway.

So for everything to happen, everyone has to win and everyone has to lose, meaning each ending goes half-way:

• Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win and lose, resulting in them neither being destroyed nor controlling all of Iliac Bay, and they each end up with a large section of the region each.
• The Blades win and lose, meaning the Empire has neither crumbled nor assimilated everything, resulting in each of the Kingdoms becoming an Imperial territory, swearing fealty to the Empire but maintaining self-government.
• Gortwog wins and loses, meaning Orsinium isn't destroyed, nor does it encompass the entire bay area as a provincial kingdom. Instead, it is recognised as an independent Imperial territory, but not at a provincial level.
• Mannimarco wins and loses, resulting in apotheosis and non-apotheosis, splitting his essence into a deity and a mortal form.
• The Underking wins and loses, meaning he destroys Numidium but also dies with his heart.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West_(event)

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West

Enodoc

AngryNord wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

It is really only a 28 year span for someone who has already been in the running for what...around a millennia?

Heh, yeah Such are the perils of suddenly ending up with a mortal body again

On the Endings of Daggerfall:

• If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win, the Orcs and the Empire are booted from Iliac Bay and the winning faction controls it all. If Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel lose, they are destroyed.
• If the Blades win, the Kings of the Bay and the Orcs are crushed, and Iliac Bay is assimilated into the Empire. If the Blades lose, all Imperial influence in the region crumbles.
• If Gortwog wins, the Kings of the Bay are crushed and the Empire crumbles, and Orsinium is created at a level at least of equal standing to a province. If Gortwog loses, Orsinium is destroyed.
• If Mannimarco wins, he gets apotheosis. If he doesn't, he doesn't.
• If the Underking wins, he gets his heart back and dies peacefully. If he doesn't he shows up to destroy Numidium anyway, and dies anyway.

So for everything to happen, everyone has to win and everyone has to lose, meaning each ending goes half-way:

• Daggerfall/Wayrest/Sentinel win and lose, resulting in them neither being destroyed nor controlling all of Iliac Bay, and they each end up with a large section of the region each.
• The Blades win and lose, meaning the Empire has neither crumbled nor assimilated everything, resulting in each of the Kingdoms becoming an Imperial territory, swearing fealty to the Empire but maintaining self-government.
• Gortwog wins and loses, meaning Orsinium isn't destroyed, nor does it encompass the entire bay area as a provincial kingdom. Instead, it is recognised as an independent Imperial territory, but not at a provincial level.
• Mannimarco wins and loses, resulting in apotheosis and non-apotheosis, splitting his essence into a deity and a mortal form.
• The Underking wins and loses, meaning he destroys Numidium but also dies with his heart.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West_(event)

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West

Um... yes? Those were my sources? I don't make this stuff up myself, you know!

lunarsyed

people are getting hyped up about this

Nichordius

It's said in a book to be that The Mystic would resign from his guild, and to Mannimarco, lead... An army of battlemages, wizards, lightning--to the mountain where undeath breeds. It is here that a fable will tell of where Mannimarco once again fell.