we need add ons

Shunravi

c1in70n

Lord_Draevan

So... am I the only PC/console hybrid around here? Do console users steadfastly refuse to touch a PC, and vice-versa?

ZOS_MaryB

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mrskinskull

slipHAZARD wrote: »

I agree, they need to stop this "immersive" nonsense because clearly it's not working. Focus on making this a solid MMO. Are you going to tick off some of the Elder Scrolls fans? Sure, that was always going to be the case.

Make an MMO in the Elder Scrolls universe. Not a Elder Scrolls game in a MMO universe. Because the 2 naturally don't fit, an Elder Scrolls game is a single player experience, who wants that in an MMO. NO ONE.

It's time to *BLANK* or get off the pot here. Pick a build and go with it. Hybrid builds sucks. Make this game a full fledged Fantasy MMO set in the Elder Scrolls universe.

-Text Chat
-DMG/EXP Numbers
-Auction Houses

Standards and staples of every MMO out there. You're like 90% there. It's crazy when a game that's lets face it, isn't doing all that great, and the developers still think "We know what's best" or "We have a vision". Zipper Interactive did the exact same thing with Socom 4 and where are they now?

People are enjoying your game, but for how long? Listen to your fans, give them the experience that 90% of them are asking for and they will in turn continue playing your game for years and spending money on it. Whether its DLC or Crown purchases.

Nope. Elder scrolls has a niche Market because of its immersive hybrid form. Going all in on mmo or immersive cuts off potential customers. Honestly I'm more excited about an elder scrolls game where a few friends can adventure , trade emote in a vibrant world than I am in another cookie cutter mmo that would stand little chance against the powerhouses already in the ring. Zos went more skyrim and tapped into a giant player base.

It probably saved the game.

I think we need more stuff from skyrim like thieves guild and dark brother hood, player homes etc.

The PvP stuff seems difficult to balance or at least difficult to keep its players happy. So far I'm enjoying it but I have lagged out.

Of course its just my opinion.

mrskinskull

Gyudan wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

The Elder Scrolls universe may be too mature for you. Some people were already playing these games when you were still using a diaper.

FYI, ESO:TU has an ESRB Mature and PEGI 18+ rating.

I love how you just proved him right about the superiority complex and prob didn't even notice.


And PS those ratings are suggestions not legal restrictions.

mrskinskull

JD2013 wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

i play console for the social aspect

Which differs from PC how?

This topic has been discussed quite a few times since the console port, and I think the general consensus is addons = good, or at least certain addons potentially becoming optional parts of the UI e.g. seeing exp / AP / damage dealt and received sort of thing.

Maybe his friends play on console?

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

I play on PC. Not a kid. Good social life. Work hard. Should I cancel these things to fit in with a stereotype?

You are still trying to prove superiority so uhmmm.

michaelb14a_ESO2

Wolfshead wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

What now you are tell us that all that play PC game are kids????

Woooow just wooow you do know that PC have been around alot longer the console and it more like that those kid you are talk about is play more console then PC today for console have become more popular for younger generation since 2005 and on the console have sold more unite then PC have so those kids you are talk are most like play console not PC.

PC games played by year vs Console games played by year, with % change from previous year.

• PC 2005 - 568,968 VS Consoles 2005 - 48,621,847
• PC 2006 - 558,074 (-2%) VS Consoles 2006 - 140,890,341 (+290%)
• PC 2007 - 2,920,185 (+423%) VS Consoles 2007 - 321,998,102 (+229%)
• PC 2008 - 5,857,447 (+101%) VS Consoles 2008 - 578,241,141 (+80%)
• PC 2009 - 6,187,437 (+6%) VS Consoles 2009 - 570,507,923 (-3%)
• PC 2010 - 15,728,587 (+154%) VS Consoles 2010 - 614,779,227 (+8%)
• PC 2011 - 29,631,542 (+89%) VS Consoles 2011 - 578,873,094 (-6%)
• PC 2012 - 33,355,879 (+13%) VS Consoles 2012 - 445,278,842 (-23%)

Beside if console was that big why do would any game company move more and more of the game over to console the are few mmo that is move over to console which was on PC like Neverwinter, World of tanks just to name few and also why are more game company make more game console if all the kids are play on PC????

Jesus... What happened in 2007 for the PC?

Geegee

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

What now you are tell us that all that play PC game are kids????

Woooow just wooow you do know that PC have been around alot longer the console and it more like that those kid you are talk about is play more console then PC today for console have become more popular for younger generation since 2005 and on the console have sold more unite then PC have so those kids you are talk are most like play console not PC.

PC games played by year vs Console games played by year, with % change from previous year.

• PC 2005 - 568,968 VS Consoles 2005 - 48,621,847
• PC 2006 - 558,074 (-2%) VS Consoles 2006 - 140,890,341 (+290%)
• PC 2007 - 2,920,185 (+423%) VS Consoles 2007 - 321,998,102 (+229%)
• PC 2008 - 5,857,447 (+101%) VS Consoles 2008 - 578,241,141 (+80%)
• PC 2009 - 6,187,437 (+6%) VS Consoles 2009 - 570,507,923 (-3%)
• PC 2010 - 15,728,587 (+154%) VS Consoles 2010 - 614,779,227 (+8%)
• PC 2011 - 29,631,542 (+89%) VS Consoles 2011 - 578,873,094 (-6%)
• PC 2012 - 33,355,879 (+13%) VS Consoles 2012 - 445,278,842 (-23%)

Beside if console was that big why do would any game company move more and more of the game over to console the are few mmo that is move over to console which was on PC like Neverwinter, World of tanks just to name few and also why are more game company make more game console if all the kids are play on PC????

Jesus... What happened in 2007 for the PC?

Cod4 Modern warfare

mrskinskull

mtwiggz wrote: »

As a PC player I do not think I could ever move to console. Playing without certain addons would be a complete headache, at least for me. Good luck console players! Unfortunately I don't think your prayers will be answered, at least not by ZoS.

Its OK I play on console and we manage just fine. Some might say its, gasp, sputter, choke, FUN!

michaelb14a_ESO2

TheEmoVampire wrote: »

Also most of the add ons are like Open GL and Direct X based like .exe files on windows, yes an Xbox One could run them but PS 4 CANT and why would you want to clutter your screen any how? Im on PC and don't even use them! No point

You sir, are masterfully misinformed - Although there are a variety of good technical reasons why ESO add-ons are not feasible on the console, this isn't one of them. Add-ons interface with ESO's api via Lua script files.

michaelb14a_ESO2

Geegee wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

What now you are tell us that all that play PC game are kids????

Woooow just wooow you do know that PC have been around alot longer the console and it more like that those kid you are talk about is play more console then PC today for console have become more popular for younger generation since 2005 and on the console have sold more unite then PC have so those kids you are talk are most like play console not PC.

PC games played by year vs Console games played by year, with % change from previous year.

• PC 2005 - 568,968 VS Consoles 2005 - 48,621,847
• PC 2006 - 558,074 (-2%) VS Consoles 2006 - 140,890,341 (+290%)
• PC 2007 - 2,920,185 (+423%) VS Consoles 2007 - 321,998,102 (+229%)
• PC 2008 - 5,857,447 (+101%) VS Consoles 2008 - 578,241,141 (+80%)
• PC 2009 - 6,187,437 (+6%) VS Consoles 2009 - 570,507,923 (-3%)
• PC 2010 - 15,728,587 (+154%) VS Consoles 2010 - 614,779,227 (+8%)
• PC 2011 - 29,631,542 (+89%) VS Consoles 2011 - 578,873,094 (-6%)
• PC 2012 - 33,355,879 (+13%) VS Consoles 2012 - 445,278,842 (-23%)

Beside if console was that big why do would any game company move more and more of the game over to console the are few mmo that is move over to console which was on PC like Neverwinter, World of tanks just to name few and also why are more game company make more game console if all the kids are play on PC????

Jesus... What happened in 2007 for the PC?

Cod4 Modern warfare

Woah, the fact that a single title had that big of an industry impact is simply amazing. The coolest part is it was a sustained impact that brought soooo many people into gaming.

Tolmos

I cannot imagine having to play with the base UI. No combat log; the guild store is horrible (can't sort by name, can't search by name, etc); difficult to see what buffs you have and what debuffs are on the enemy.

Add-ons are basically a necessity to get the UI to the point most games start with. To be stripped of that... lawd lawd, I feel for you guys on console.

kevlarto_ESO

I think ZOS should take some of the add-on ideas and put them in game as options, you can use them turn them on if you want or leave them off for the vanilla experience, I personally think a lot of the ad-on's cause crashing issues with the game and if they were part of the game, then maybe that would help.

Emma_Overload

slipHAZARD wrote: »

Make an MMO in the Elder Scrolls universe. Not a Elder Scrolls game in a MMO universe. Because the 2 naturally don't fit, an Elder Scrolls game is a single player experience, who wants that in an MMO. NO ONE.

This is so false. Anytime since launch that a poll has been posted that asks players whether they want more solo content or more group content, the solo votes are several times higher than the groupers.

Without the goodwill and patronage of the Elder Scrolls fanbase, this game would not even EXIST.

ADarklore

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

This is so false. Anytime since launch that a poll has been posted that asks players whether they want more solo content or more group content, the solo votes are several times higher than the groupers.

Without the goodwill and patronage of the Elder Scrolls fanbase, this game would not even EXIST.

AGREED! This is also why most newer MMOs include solo and small group content, because statistics have shown that there are more solo and casual gamers playing MMOs than hardcore MMO players. Plus, because the hardcore MMO player base is so spread out because MMOs are plentiful, there is no longer any financial incentive to create a game solely for the hardcore MMO market. When MMOs first came out, it was pretty much a PC-only market and because of the limited amount of titles, most hardcore MMO players gathered in the same games. That is not possible today with the plethora of MMO titles and continuous launches of new online games, not including console MMO gaming which has helped bring a lot more solo and casual gamers into the gaming market. In order to compete and succeed, along with recouping creation costs, game developers have to appeal to the broader and prevailing market- which are solo and casual gamers. This is why it is SMART for ESO to focus more on solo content than group, and even then, PvP interest tends to lag behind those looking for more PvE quests. Yet, to keep the most income generating, ESO has to work towards appeasing as many players as possible while trying to avoid alienating their most lucrative base.

Amiculi

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

So... am I the only PC/console hybrid around here? Do console users steadfastly refuse to touch a PC, and vice-versa?

I really have no idea. I've always been a fan of both. I prefer console lately, or at least controller supporting things, thanks to back issues. I'm not going to tell anyone who prefers M&KB they can't have it because I can't really use it anymore. The obsession with MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY has always been around though.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

slipHAZARD wrote: »

Make an MMO in the Elder Scrolls universe. Not a Elder Scrolls game in a MMO universe. Because the 2 naturally don't fit, an Elder Scrolls game is a single player experience, who wants that in an MMO. NO ONE.

This is so false. Anytime since launch that a poll has been posted that asks players whether they want more solo content or more group content, the solo votes are several times higher than the groupers.

Without the goodwill and patronage of the Elder Scrolls fanbase, this game would not even EXIST.

And I imagine the best part there is both MMO's AND the Elder Scrolls games have both supported Addons since their popular inceptions. EQ's Shadows of Luclin expansion introduced me to interface mods, then Morrowind solidified the fun that mods and addons could offer.

The idea that addons would be impossible on consoles is a bit outmoded now as well considering Fallout 4 is going to support mods crossplatform.

And the best part is it's all optional.

It's been largely argued in this very thread that addons don't actually benefit the users enough to matter, however, those people also adamantly argue against ANY additions or changes to the game religiously. Why does it matter if it doesn't matter? Let more people enjoy the game the way they want to and then it makes more money and has opportunity to expand more effectively.

ADarklore

Amiculi wrote: »

The idea that addons would be impossible on consoles is a bit outmoded now as well considering Fallout 4 is going to support mods crossplatform.

We have actually yet to see this take place and it was also noted that mods on Fallout 4 will be XBOX One exclusive but they 'hope' to bring it to Playstation. However, considering how strict Sony is on anything on the PSN, we'll have to wait and see how much they are willing to loosen those shackles.

tordr86b16_ESO

Who are console players moaning at ZOS with this issue? You should be directing your complaints at Microsoft and Sony.

Amiculi

ADarklore wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

The idea that addons would be impossible on consoles is a bit outmoded now as well considering Fallout 4 is going to support mods crossplatform.

We have actually yet to see this take place and it was also noted that mods on Fallout 4 will be XBOX One exclusive but they 'hope' to bring it to Playstation. However, considering how strict Sony is on anything on the PSN, we'll have to wait and see how much they are willing to loosen those shackles.

We'll see them on PS4 as well, I guarantee it.

That or we won't see them at all.

The platform holders are jealous children and constantly scream "If THEY get it then *I* get it or NO ONE GETS ANYTHING" and refuse to license a game that lacks feature parity.

And we know how Zenimax feels about sales.



They like to, ahem, max the Zenny, as it were.

Anyway, my personal guess to the outcome of the system, if it doesn't translate well on both platforms, is a curated system where Bethesda themselves pick out the best performing mods on a small scale to add to the store in an official capacity, taking the rights away from the addon creator in many ways, same as they were doing with the paid mods on Steam, but without the complete lack of quality control.

They may well have to do that anyway because I'm sure BOTH platform holders are going to be excited to host the latest sex dungeon addons the community will no doubt be producing en masse.

Dradhok

If done correctly add ons could be sold in bundles in the crown store. E.g., leveling bundle that includes skyshards on map. I'm not excited about being nickel and dimed, but I do like being able to customize my gaming experience.

Amiculi

Dradhok wrote: »

If done correctly add ons could be sold in bundles in the crown store. E.g., leveling bundle that includes skyshards on map. I'm not excited about being nickel and dimed, but I do like being able to customize my gaming experience.

http://tamrieljournal.com/eso-skyshard-location-map/

Don't pay for freely available things. Print it out, open it in Steam overlay, view it in your console's browser, open it on your phone. Don't encourage them to charge you for other people's work.

LegionIsAll

I would be happier if I just knew if I killed a guy or not. I'm dropping oil or a treb I have no clue if it's me that killed the guy or if someone jacked it lol

DaveMoeDee

toad_123 wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

i play console for the social aspect

Which differs from PC how?

This topic has been discussed quite a few times since the console port, and I think the general consensus is addons = good, or at least certain addons potentially becoming optional parts of the UI e.g. seeing exp / AP / damage dealt and received sort of thing.

Maybe his friends play on console?

I'm in highschool and as much as I like pc games/gaming the kids who like pc gaming are either socialy challenged or have a vast superiority complex that I can't stand (at least the ones I know)

It isn't a complex.

DaveMoeDee

TheEmoVampire wrote: »

Consoles can't download the add ons there for they can't get them. Also most of the add ons are like Open GL and Direct X based like .exe files on windows, yes an Xbox One could run them but PS 4 CANT and why would you want to clutter your screen any how? Im on PC and don't even use them! No point

Ah, I see. If you don't use them, that means there is no point in them. Got it.

Gualo10

It does not bother me that the ESO does not show any numbers on damage, crit, etc, or lets you know when you killed someone, but to change this and make it happen does not bother me either, It is not a bad idea.

DaveMoeDee

toad_123 wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

OP has made some "interesting" threads it seems.

toad_123 wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

PS - to anyone who plays PC please dont spam this post with "console sucks" or "should have gotten a PC" i play console for the social aspect

and get this

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

You chose an inferior medium to experience the game, you got mad at inferior experiences.....

Ok.

notimetocare wrote: »

toad_123 wrote: »

its ridiculous that we can not see the the individual values in the game such as AP and EXP when we get kills, do quest, etc. we dont know how we are doing or what gives us the best exp/ap so that we can grow or develop faster. its silly to think that we cant even see what we crit for or even when we crit while we are fighting, i can understand the choice of ZOS not to implement these features initially because they may spam the screen with values or ruin someones experience but i seriously doubt it would be a burden on their coders (or the outsourcing coders) to show certain values the screen that are toggle-able via the options menu.

as of now players on console are at a massive disadvantage without knowledge of our dps and other such things they should be implemented in near updates as part of the games actual features and not as add-ons (since these features should have been implemented anyways)

these features would enhance our gaming experience and create a stonger player base
PS - to anyone who plays PC please dont spam this post with "console sucks" or "should have gotten a PC" i play console for the social aspect

Consoles suck and you should have gone PC if you wanted addons AND if you wanted a social experience... no text chat? BUt you do have an option, pay attention to what PC player run and do. will give you enough of an idea of how you are doing to succeed.

people like you are the reason i prefer console

Again, you chose console over PC and here you are making a complaint thread on something that was a result of your own doing...

Living with your choices is usually something one should have known about back in high school.

again i chose console so i wouldnt deal with the majority of people who have a superiority complex and feel that they are better that you in every way shape and form... not going to mention names lol... and to address your comment i chose to play a game on console and i made a request thread for add ons on console not a complaint thread for people who play PC to show why they are better in every shape way and form... but thanks for your very constructive post on the issue that doesnt concern you

"Superiority complex," I think you need to learn what that word means before using it. Sorry, but you had all the facts at your disposal. You shouldn't have chosen B, if you wanted everything that is in A.

It's just that simple.

i know exactly what the words superiority complex mean both separately and together, however, since you dont ill help you out

su·pe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex
noun
an attitude of superiority that conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure.

its just that simple

also i chose to get the game for console because i wanted too

its just that simple

and i can request a feature i want on the game on the games forum site

its just that simple

While there are a lot of idiots out there, let's not be confused. Pointing out that a PC is a superior platform for flexibility with mods or for better graphics is NOT a superiority complex. I'm not sure that saying "what did you expect on a console" is either because they are pointing out what normal expectations are on a console.

The point of mods is that games don't come out with perfect UIs and the community often needs to fill in the gaps. It should be expected that the gaps will remain on a console UI.

Amiculi

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

TheEmoVampire wrote: »

Consoles can't download the add ons there for they can't get them. Also most of the add ons are like Open GL and Direct X based like .exe files on windows, yes an Xbox One could run them but PS 4 CANT and why would you want to clutter your screen any how? Im on PC and don't even use them! No point

Ah, I see. If you don't use them, that means there is no point in them. Got it.

If you're talking about SweetFX or other similar mods, sure, but most people here are more interested in UI mods which tend to be XML or LUA based and there's really no reason we couldn't see those on consoles. There's little to no danger in interface modes.

Further, statements that there's no point are opinion based judgement calls. My first day playing on PC I grabbed the floating damage numbers mod because it drives me crazy not knowing if I'm doing more damage or not. Without them the power growth is meaningless, you my as well just take levels out of the entire game.

And I can think of at least one other game that was made out to be impossible to convert to console that not only made a successful transition but included things like damage numbers. In fact I remember that time I broke a personal damage goal that I could never have achieved WITHOUT the "clutter" being that I couldn't have known it happened.



But that's just what I like to do.

So yeah, if he doesn't use them, there's CLEARLY no point to them for anyone.

[Edit: just to make it clear, I'm speaking against TheEmoVampire, not you, DaveMoeDee, I just wanted to directly agree with you too. I probably should've quoted both posts separately.]

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Mitchblue

I want some add on's damn it.

I might just buy a PC and bill ZOS.

Molag_Crow

I must strongly agree here.

I was scanning through the game Options on day 1 (PS4 Release) to see if there's a "Show Damage/Healing" or "Show Crits" etc, but there weren't, and I was disappointed.

I know it may be too much to ask for, but personally, I'd love it if we got:

• Damage/Heal Meter
• Quick-text chat box in areas/groups/PvP
• Weapon damage/crit numbers on interface

That would be the icing on the cake for me, completely! Peace.