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Loot system flawed?
RandomName90
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I would like to see a drastic overhaul to the loot system I understand rarity and the fact that things like dwemer ruins populate items when you load into them but this is insanity. I paid real life money for the Dwemer Motif book I am VR3 and run a dwemer dungeons multiple times a day different ones and end up with more junk than actual "LOOT" I can use. I think this should be reworked as some players in this game are abusing this system to the point where the prices in the game currently are outrageous. I had some one tell me for instance tell me daedric hearts are less rare than dwemer scrap I have gone from level 3 to VR3 and have only looted 5 hearts and that's because of deconstruction. I guess my point is the loot system should be reworked to make the so called "RARE" items a little less rare the game should be able to detect I already learned the entire Dwemer Motif book and give me more of a chance of having the Motif Material spawn in the Motif pages or books place. When I see Dwemer Frames priced cheaper than Daedric Hearts and a player tells me the Hearts are less rare I laugh really really hard. I would like to see changed to the forums themselves open a dedicated TRADE hub on here this isn't like the PC on the consoles 50 people all talking in a area is like a disorganized auction its annoying and you never find anything you want and the guild traders you tell us to use in the game are players looking to prey on new people who don't know the market I played on the PC I am not paying 25K for Daedric Hearts lmao.
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭I want it now players, you would love to use global auction houses to get everything you want in 1 sec? How about we give you VR14 with VR14 gold gears too? You would love that. Trading and getting items in ESO is a game itself, gaming isnt meant to be easy.Edited by Sausage on July 4, 2015 3:31AM0 -
snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Well it took me a few weeks of running one dwemer delve each night to get all the pages. I also got quite a bit of mats and gold out of it. Seems right to me. You can do as I did and sell pages you get that you do not need. Easy way to make money and they sell for more than it would cost you to buy dwemer mats for.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!0 -
Sentinel✭✭✭✭Well.... Daedra hearts are less rare than dwemer scraps. They can be found in the Cadwells Gold zones in random containers (ie: crates, dressers, etc). Reason you havent seen any at V3 is because you likely have not reached the Gold Zones which are V5.
Also, almost everything of those require a bit of research into how they drop (as it's rather ambiguous in game). Dwemer Scraps drop best from dwemer machines, but (I think) can be found in dwemer containers. Dwemer pages can be found in dwemer containers as well, and only there. Most dwemer containers in some areas may be empty, but they do spawn. It is rather grindy, but they can definitely be obtained.
Also, just because its difficult to find doesn't mean they should make it easier, it just means you likely need to research as to why it's so difficult to find. Work for it, ya know? If somethings difficult, you'll feel that much better when you earn it!
As for the market.... Well, console is new. Given that there is not any zone chat, or any chat for that matter, it's going to be difficult to set prices, and those who do not understand pricing will buy foolishly and be exploited. Pricing on there will probably be a bit whacky until systems are in place that let people have better communication (Not an auction house, text chat channels would be better). (And you're very right, do not pay 25k for daedra hearts. They are faaaar too common. On PC they go for something like 10g per piece.)Edited by Sentinel on July 4, 2015 3:42AM0 -
RandomName90✭✭I want it now players, you would love to use global auction houses to get everything you want in 1 sec? How about we give you VR14 with VR14 gold gears too? You would love that. Trading and getting items in ESO is a game itself, gaming isnt meant to be easy.
been playing games since I was 2 years old I am not a give it to me now player I don't mind grinding but there is a difference between grinding and insanity and when other players don't want to trade one rare mat for another we have issues especially when people try to charge over 50K for a single Daedra Heart so yeah a AUCTION HOUSE would be perfect.0 -
RandomName90✭✭snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »Well it took me a few weeks of running one dwemer delve each night to get all the pages. I also got quite a bit of mats and gold out of it. Seems right to me. You can do as I did and sell pages you get that you do not need. Easy way to make money and they sell for more than it would cost you to buy dwemer mats for.
its not about that what the hell is the point of constantly getting lock picks? after 400 it gets redundant THAT is my point JUNK always JUNK.0 -
michaelb14a_ESO2✭✭✭✭snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »Well it took me a few weeks of running one dwemer delve each night to get all the pages. I also got quite a bit of mats and gold out of it. Seems right to me. You can do as I did and sell pages you get that you do not need. Easy way to make money and they sell for more than it would cost you to buy dwemer mats for.
Few weeks and you got the rarest motif in the entire game. In Everquest, it would take me 3 months to camp a rare spawn in Skyfire to get ONE piece of my 1.0 bard epic armor piece. One down, six to go.
Man, itemization was awesome in that game.
/nostalgic
Anyhoo my point is, nothing is "rare" in this game. I Promise. Like this guy says above; Spend less time grinding it ...and...it..might....feel...like....less...of...a...grind.Edited by michaelb14a_ESO2 on July 4, 2015 3:49AM0 -
RandomName90✭✭Well.... Daedra hearts are less rare than dwemer scraps. They can be found in the Cadwells Gold zones in random containers (ie: crates, dressers, etc). Reason you havent seen any at V3 is because you likely have not reached the Gold Zones which are V5.
Also, almost everything of those require a bit of research into how they drop (as it's rather ambiguous in game). Dwemer Scraps drop best from dwemer machines, but (I think) can be found in dwemer containers. Dwemer pages can be found in dwemer containers as well, and only there. Most dwemer containers in some areas may be empty, but they do spawn. It is rather grindy, but they can definitely be obtained.
Also, just because its difficult to find doesn't mean they should make it easier, it just means you likely need to research as to why it's so difficult to find. Work for it, ya know? If somethings difficult, you'll feel that much better when you earn it!
As for the market.... Well, console is new. Given that there is not any zone chat, or any chat for that matter, it's going to be difficult to set prices, and those who do not understand pricing will buy foolishly and be exploited. Pricing on there will probably be a bit whacky until systems are in place that let people have better communication (Not an auction house, text chat channels would be better). (And you're very right, do not pay 25k for daedra hearts. They are faaaar too common. On PC they go for something like 10g per piece.)
sorry but your wrong when you get 10X more Daedric Hearts at VR3 than Dwemer scrap after a week your loot system needs work and the in game guild trader prices and how they expect you to set up trades is a joke a real JOKE. I love this game but when I can get rare mats from deconstruction primal daedric etc etc and not a single Dwemer frame and to get those Frames or scrap of which takes 10 to make a single piece which is ridiculous then yes your LOOT system is FLAWED when I farm for over a week and end up with more VR5+ items than even scrap we have issues. I would LOVE to see them just make motif crafting material packs available in the Crown store would sooner buy it then grind for a month and get 3 frames compared to having 20+ Primal and Daedric by VR3 lol.0 -
RandomName90✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »Well it took me a few weeks of running one dwemer delve each night to get all the pages. I also got quite a bit of mats and gold out of it. Seems right to me. You can do as I did and sell pages you get that you do not need. Easy way to make money and they sell for more than it would cost you to buy dwemer mats for.
Few weeks and you got the rarest motif in the entire game. In Everquest, it would take me 3 months to camp a rare spawn in Skyfire to get ONE piece of my 1.0 bard epic armor piece. One down, six to go.
Man, itemization was awesome in that game.
/nostalgic
Anyhoo my point is, nothing is "rare" in this game. I Promise. Spend less time grinding it ...and...it..might....feel...like....less...of...a...grind.
All of your advice is invalid I BOUGHT the damn MOTIF books the loot system in this game is broken when I end up with more VR6+ Motif material over a level 3-VR3 play through which only took me 4-5 days and in the same time of farming I don't even get enough scrap to make 4 frames? that's really logical right?0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO has a lot of problems with loot and itemization.
This is not one of it.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
RandomName90✭✭ESO has a lot of problems with loot and itemization.
This is not one of it.
Actually it is the loot system is a joke really 97% of the chests full of lockpicks and junk items even after farming for over a week and jumping from every Dwemer dungeon I could find at VR3 Daedric Hearts are and every other rare motif mat is more common than even the Dwemer Scrap I can see the frames flat out being that Rare but the scrap itself considering it takes 10 to make a single frame should not be THAT rare.0 -
Sentinel✭✭✭✭RandomName90 wrote: »Well.... Daedra hearts are less rare than dwemer scraps. They can be found in the Cadwells Gold zones in random containers (ie: crates, dressers, etc). Reason you havent seen any at V3 is because you likely have not reached the Gold Zones which are V5.
Also, almost everything of those require a bit of research into how they drop (as it's rather ambiguous in game). Dwemer Scraps drop best from dwemer machines, but (I think) can be found in dwemer containers. Dwemer pages can be found in dwemer containers as well, and only there. Most dwemer containers in some areas may be empty, but they do spawn. It is rather grindy, but they can definitely be obtained.
Also, just because its difficult to find doesn't mean they should make it easier, it just means you likely need to research as to why it's so difficult to find. Work for it, ya know? If somethings difficult, you'll feel that much better when you earn it!
As for the market.... Well, console is new. Given that there is not any zone chat, or any chat for that matter, it's going to be difficult to set prices, and those who do not understand pricing will buy foolishly and be exploited. Pricing on there will probably be a bit whacky until systems are in place that let people have better communication (Not an auction house, text chat channels would be better). (And you're very right, do not pay 25k for daedra hearts. They are faaaar too common. On PC they go for something like 10g per piece.)
sorry but your wrong when you get 10X more Daedric Hearts at VR3 than Dwemer scrap after a week your loot system needs work and the in game guild trader prices and how they expect you to set up trades is a joke a real JOKE. I love this game but when I can get rare mats from deconstruction primal daedric etc etc and not a single Dwemer frame and to get those Frames or scrap of which takes 10 to make a single piece which is ridiculous then yes your LOOT system is FLAWED when I farm for over a week and end up with more VR5+ items than even scrap we have issues. I would LOVE to see them just make motif crafting material packs available in the Crown store would sooner buy it then grind for a month and get 3 frames compared to having 20+ Primal and Daedric by VR3 lol.
Okay, for one, Dwemer is supposed to be rare. Rarer than Daedric. The crafting materials aren't dropping from a Flawed Loot system. The loot system is not faulty or bugged, nor is it unreasonable. Not every style is the same. Just because it takes longer to get something (that's meant to be more difficult to find) than something else (which is relatively common actually) doesn't make it imbalanced. If you want it to be the same, why is that? Why take loot and crafting rarity and diversity away? (For example, it's like asking for a bag of silver to have the same value as a bag of gold, they dont, one is rarer than the other and requires more to obtain).
I agree with the guild traders. An Auction house isn't a solution easy to implement (nor is it one that many would want to have, but that's a discussion for other threads). Far easier would be to add a text chat system where people can compare prices easier. On PC it's extremely easy to know what something should be priced for.
Also it does not take long to get these materials, 3 dwemer scraps per ruin is rather common for me. These materials are however, more difficult to find than daedra hearts.Adding these in the crown store would make it even less of a play your game for features than a pay for your game features.
If it's a bug or a recommendation for a feature to help you, please say so. Speaking about changing a loot system because you do not understand it's mechanics and reasons isn't helpful to the game. What specifically do you want to see happen and why?
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Sentinel✭✭✭✭RandomName90 wrote: »ESO has a lot of problems with loot and itemization.
This is not one of it.
Actually it is the loot system is a joke really 97% of the chests full of lockpicks and junk items even after farming for over a week and jumping from every Dwemer dungeon I could find at VR3 Daedric Hearts are and every other rare motif mat is more common than even the Dwemer Scrap I can see the frames flat out being that Rare but the scrap itself considering it takes 10 to make a single frame should not be THAT rare.
Also dwemer scraps drop from dwemer mobs. If they do drop from containers it is a very very low drop rate. The rate they come from mobs is pretty decent.0 -
RandomName90✭✭
Again I can prove you wrong I did a 4 hour stream early today not ONE SCRAP drop from a Dwemer enemy your arguments are invalid and only further MY point and experience the loot system is FLAWED plain and simple you can't see that because you can't see sun shine anyways this is over my point has been made the loot system supports people looking to scam others and get richer because the system is flawed and not even. I do know one thing if you all believe the system isn't flawed then fine I will abuse it and charge one HELL of a pretty penny to craft a full set of Dwemer or any other rare armor.RandomName90 wrote: »ESO has a lot of problems with loot and itemization.
This is not one of it.
Actually it is the loot system is a joke really 97% of the chests full of lockpicks and junk items even after farming for over a week and jumping from every Dwemer dungeon I could find at VR3 Daedric Hearts are and every other rare motif mat is more common than even the Dwemer Scrap I can see the frames flat out being that Rare but the scrap itself considering it takes 10 to make a single frame should not be THAT rare.
Also dwemer scraps drop from dwemer mobs. If they do drop from containers it is a very very low drop rate. The rate they come from mobs is pretty decent.
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Sentinel✭✭✭✭RandomName90 wrote: »
Again I can prove you wrong I did a 4 hour stream early today not ONE SCRAP drop from a Dwemer enemy your arguments are invalid and only further MY point and experience the loot system is FLAWED plain and simple you can't see that because you can't see sun shine anyways this is over my point has been made the loot system supports people looking to scam others and get richer because the system is flawed and not even. I do know one thing if you all believe the system isn't flawed then fine I will abuse it and charge one HELL of a pretty penny to craft a full set of Dwemer or any other rare armor.RandomName90 wrote: »ESO has a lot of problems with loot and itemization.
This is not one of it.
Actually it is the loot system is a joke really 97% of the chests full of lockpicks and junk items even after farming for over a week and jumping from every Dwemer dungeon I could find at VR3 Daedric Hearts are and every other rare motif mat is more common than even the Dwemer Scrap I can see the frames flat out being that Rare but the scrap itself considering it takes 10 to make a single frame should not be THAT rare.
Also dwemer scraps drop from dwemer mobs. If they do drop from containers it is a very very low drop rate. The rate they come from mobs is pretty decent.
RNG. Also keep in mind, things only drop near your level. I got 3 dwemer scraps from mobs on Stros M'kai at level 6 (against level 5 mobs I believe) in the Dwemer ruin that predominates the island, all without even trying to get it.
This is where research comes into play- Look into what ruins are closest to your level and run through them, killing the dwemer automatons. If you don't get anything in 30 minutes, might be bad luck. If you cant get anything in an hour, check to see you're doing it right.
(EDIT: Also please try to remain civil and not attack others (such as "you can't see that because you can't see sun shine".)Edited by Sentinel on July 4, 2015 4:27AM0 -
michaelb14a_ESO2✭✭✭✭RandomName90 wrote: »the loot system supports people looking to scam others and get richer because the system is flawed and not even.
How are people scamming others in regards to scrap? Why do you think it's "not even"?0