A Replacement Idea for Cadwell's Silver & Gold Rewards

Moonshadow66

Players who have completed Cadwell's Silver and/or Gold know about the respective rewards we'll get from Cadwell. In many discussions here, the "worth" of these items was questioned many times.

To improve this, my idea would be the following:


- When we complete the main quest and meet Cadwell in the Harborage, we usually get a certain item (which one depends on a choice we made). Now a new item would come along:

"Meridia's Focus of Tamriel", which would be a set item. Let me call the set "Cirle of Tamriel" which would be a set of 3 or 5 items (I'll get back to the 5th later).

Now we don't have any set bonus yet since it would be our first item of this set (of course it can also be equiped single-wise). But it's up to us to complete the set.


- The second item we would get from Cadwell after completing Cadwell's Silver and it would be a ring of the same set:
"Ring of the Tamriel Adventurer". It would replace "Meridia's Charm of the Dawn" (VR5).

Now we have at least 2 items of the set already.


- The third item would be another ring which would be the reward for completing Cadwell's Gold:
"Ring of the Tamriel Hero". It would replace "Meridia's Emblem of Searing Light" (VR10 item).
In case this would be a 3-item set, the last ring would complete the set bonus.


All of these 3 set items would be "Level 1" and scale to your current level.
Plus all of them would be either Epic (purple) or Legendary (gold), it's up to the devs to decide, also about the set bonuses.
The items would be "Bound on Pickup" or even character bound.



Now to the 5-item set:

Another idea would be to have a set crafting station located in each Harborage. It would become available after completing Cadwell's Gold (imagine it like the Earth Forge and Eyevea after completing the Fighter's- and Mage's Guild questlines where we can craft additional items of the respective sets).

In the Harborage crafting station we can craft additional items (armor/weapons) for the "Circle of Tamriel" set, the amount of traits we need would be between 5 and 8 (just an example).



That's it so far

Moonshadow66

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

Akavir_Sentinel

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

Everyone has become accustomed to all quest rewards being instant vendor trash. It isn't limited to only the major storyline quest rewards. No matter what the reward was, there are some players who do not want to do Cadwell's Silver or Gold, and will never do it.

Psychobunni

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

MissBizz

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

Sithisvoid

Honestly i don't know how i'm going to get through silver let alone gold. SOOO many boring fetch quests

Sidney

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

It's daytime. Most are likely at work and would be replying on cellphone like I am now - so very short response. I like the idea.

Bah auto "correct"

Moonshadow66

Sidney wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

It's daytime. Most are likely at work and would be replying on cellphone like I am now - so very short response. I like the idea.

Bah auto "correct"

Yeah, could be I picked the wrong time to post it^^ I'm in Germany and it's later evening here right now, I never know exactly when it's the "best" time to post something

MissBizz wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

Yes, that's what I thought about as well, about the build. I had no specific idea for this, but maybe having the choice when we get the rewards if it's stamina, magicka or health. I guess at this point it's not that easy to implement this, but that's the only thing I could think of that everyone would get the reward which fits best.

Moonshadow66

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

I'm not exactly sure if I understand what you mean (I guess it's the lack of my English knowledge again^^), you mean like hitting VR14 during/after Cadwell's Gold? It's possible. After the required XP were changed to a lesser amount some months ago, I had 1 character which hit VR14 during the last Gold zone (Reaper's March), the other 2 before were VR11 (before the change) and VR13 (when the changes were new). But, there's quite a bit grinding involved between quests, otherwise I don't think it'd be possible.

Moonshadow66

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

Everyone has become accustomed to all quest rewards being instant vendor trash. It isn't limited to only the major storyline quest rewards. No matter what the reward was, there are some players who do not want to do Cadwell's Silver or Gold, and will never do it.

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Honestly i don't know how i'm going to get through silver let alone gold. SOOO many boring fetch quests

Of course these items would only be relevant for all the players which DO Cadwell's Silver and Gold. For everyone else, nothing would change there, so there's no loss or disadvantage.

Psychobunni

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

I'm not exactly sure if I understand what you mean (I guess it's the lack of my English knowledge again^^), you mean like hitting VR14 during/after Cadwell's Gold? It's possible. After the required XP were changed to a lesser amount some months ago, I had 1 character which hit VR14 during the last Gold zone (Reaper's March), the other 2 before were VR11 (before the change) and VR13 (when the changes were new). But, there's quite a bit grinding involved between quests, otherwise I don't think it'd be possible.

Yes, I know it's possible. My husband is a do every thing, "oh look a tight group of mobs, I'll just hang here and kill for a bit", etc...type player. Whereas I am a quest and move on asap type. I think if the quests alone gave enough xp, with dolmens/world bosses/dungeons/grinding not truly being necessary but serving as a bonus, less people would complain.


Perhaps the reward could simply scale off your highest allotted attribute? Something, almost anything is better than it is now.

Moonshadow66

Psychobunni wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

I'm not exactly sure if I understand what you mean (I guess it's the lack of my English knowledge again^^), you mean like hitting VR14 during/after Cadwell's Gold? It's possible. After the required XP were changed to a lesser amount some months ago, I had 1 character which hit VR14 during the last Gold zone (Reaper's March), the other 2 before were VR11 (before the change) and VR13 (when the changes were new). But, there's quite a bit grinding involved between quests, otherwise I don't think it'd be possible.

Yes, I know it's possible. My husband is a do every thing, "oh look a tight group of mobs, I'll just hang here and kill for a bit", etc...type player. Whereas I am a quest and move on asap type. I think if the quests alone gave enough xp, with dolmens/world bosses/dungeons/grinding not truly being necessary but serving as a bonus, less people would complain.


Perhaps the reward could simply scale off your highest allotted attribute? Something, almost anything is better than it is now.

I absolutely agree (the quest XP). I have nothing to add anymore since you covered this in one sentence already

And yeah, your idea about the reward scaling off the highest attribute sounds good. For the bonus it would be great, and for the trait that comes with the item, having a choice would be the other idea (not that a mage gets a stamina trait for nothing, f.e.^^).

Moonshadow66

Really not more people being interested in this?^^

parpin

MissBizz wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

who chose you as community ambassador??
i thought players should be able to choose a person based on his/her activity on forums and knowledge of the game..few times i saw your comments on forums and 100% all of your posts are in defence of zos.
there should be voting system for such things.

Moonshadow66

parpin wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

who chose you as community ambassador??
i thought players should be able to choose a person based on his/her activity on forums and knowledge of the game..few times i saw your comments on forums and 100% all of your posts are in defence of zos.
there should be voting system for such things.

Any ideas/suggestions/opinions on the topic also?

Psychobunni

parpin wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

who chose you as community ambassador??
i thought players should be able to choose a person based on his/her activity on forums and knowledge of the game..few times i saw your comments on forums and 100% all of your posts are in defence of zos.
there should be voting system for such things.

@parpin harsh dude, and completely, totally irrelevant Ask ZOS in teh thread about that

@Moonshadow I guess the majority of active vets still hanging around the forums don't want to give ZOS any ideas towards keeping silver/gold, I* hope they are left in as optional and do really like the idea of an unlocked crafting station for completion. You should /feedback in game as well, never know

Moonshadow66

Psychobunni wrote: »

parpin wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1

I however am one of those that actually enjoys silver and gold towards experiencing it all on one, I only wish that it was enough xp to cap you @ v14 "easily"

Just had a conversation with some fellow players yesterday on this.. some people seem to hit VR14 before even finishing gold.. (like I'm about to), although, everyone plays the game different and enjoys different aspects of it.

Back on topic, I think that's actually an amazing idea. Of course, I think somehow it would have to fit OUR build. I'm not sure if maybe those jewels could match which set we chose to craft. Like.. at the crafting stations have 2 "sets", so one matches a stamina build and one a magicka build?

who chose you as community ambassador??
i thought players should be able to choose a person based on his/her activity on forums and knowledge of the game..few times i saw your comments on forums and 100% all of your posts are in defence of zos.
there should be voting system for such things.

@parpin harsh dude, and completely, totally irrelevant Ask ZOS in teh thread about that

@Moonshadow I guess the majority of active vets still hanging around the forums don't want to give ZOS any ideas towards keeping silver/gold, I* hope they are left in as optional and do really like the idea of an unlocked crafting station for completion. You should /feedback in game as well, never know

Thank you, @Psychobunni for your reply and your confidence
Unfortunately, I cannot send anything in-game anymore since it became unplayable for me after the last patch; until this is fixed, no feedback from me, I'm afraid..

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Bromburak

Not important , you will understand when Vets are being dropped.

Moonshadow66

Bromburak wrote: »

Not important , you will understand when Vets are being dropped.

This doesn't mean that all the quest will be dropped as well.

Bromburak

The situation now is that they are mandatory to move on and this makes the rewards questionable.
As soon the requirements are dropped to get high level most players will skip optional quests.

Moonshadow66

Bromburak wrote: »

The situation now is that they are mandatory to move on and this makes the rewards questionable.
As soon the requirements are dropped to get high level most players will skip optional quests.

I thought these rewards where questionable before (and still are)?
Ok, I understand what you mean, but there are still many players (such as I would be if the game would work atm) which would do these quests even after the Vet ranks were dropped. So if the rewards remain the same, they'll still be useless even then.
The players who don't want to go all through Silver and Gold zones don't have anything to lose, if these items/rewards are changed or not.

Psychobunni

@Moonshadow66 Sorry, sometimes I think we should get a free ticket into politics for surviving "not" being hand slapped into oblivion around here


@Bromburak I don't know, in another game I might agree, but there are A LOT of people here that are in for the "immersion" and story, or maybe they are just really loud....but I don't think they would be totally abandoned.

Moonshadow66

Psychobunni wrote: »

@Moonshadow66 Sorry, sometimes I think we should get a free ticket into politics for surviving "not" being hand slapped into oblivion around here

(...)

Nicely put

The_Sadist

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

ZOS_RichLambert

/lurk

Moonshadow66

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

It's true that this idea comes a bit late (sorry, I didn't have it earlier^^). But yes, the set bonus should definitely be worth it to go for it, imo. Also, like what you said, the players who have done Silver/Gold but got rid of these items should get a replacement, of course. After this, it's up to us to use them or not. Of course there are or might be better items to get elsewhere in the game, but f.e. solo players won't see many of them, if any at all. This would be at least one chance to have 1 nice set of jewelry

Moonshadow66

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Greetings^^

Psychobunni

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

I didn't think of that point, but I'm sure it could be re-given somehow, buyable from Cadwell? collection? If unlocked a full crafting station for completing both, maybe not really necessary?

Moonshadow66

Psychobunni wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

I didn't think of that point, but I'm sure it could be re-given somehow, buyable from Cadwell? collection? If unlocked a full crafting station for completing both, maybe not really necessary?

I'm sure it would be possible that they can be re-given, this also worked for certain items such as the skeleton disguise (costume?) after the Collections tab was added. I had deleted it (or given it away also), but it was back in this tab when it was added to the game. So the game recognizes what quests we've done already.

JD2013

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Greetings!

Come join us for a cup of tea and discussion!

Maotti

Excellent idea!