Really? This was a priority?

ontheleftcoast

Quests & Zones
Reaper’s March
•Giant snakes will no longer respawn in as large of numbers as they did previously in Thormar.

I've played thru Reaper's March numerous times. You know what has been a real problem? Broken quests. Yeah, having to abandon and restart the Two Moon's quest every time I play thru Reaper's March is a pretty major deal. Snakes? Not much of an issue.

Let me guess, someone figured out a way to use them to grind some XP or materials so that was THE MOST IMPORTANT FIX EVER and broken quest mechanics (which have been borked for a year or more) don't rate. Wonderful sense of priority at Zenimax.

whyB

How do you abandon a quest? I've not been able to figure this out yet.

Lenikus

whyB wrote: »

How do you abandon a quest? I've not been able to figure this out yet.

Journal (Press J), right click quest, Abandon.. you can also share some in a group.

Ourorboros

+1

We've been waiting months for a fix for Fleshy Symbiont collectible. They already have the fix, but are waiting for 'the next big update'. WTF is the point of holding this back. Lame, lame, lame.

Maotti

Ourorboros wrote: »

+1

We've been waiting months for a fix for Fleshy Symbiont collectible. They already have the fix, but are waiting for 'the next big update'. WTF is the point of holding this back. Lame, lame, lame.

Agreed, also with the VR rank changes, reduced xp required to rank up and so on.

sirston

Ourorboros wrote: »

+1

We've been waiting months for a fix for Fleshy Symbiont collectible. They already have the fix, but are waiting for 'the next big update'. WTF is the point of holding this back. Lame, lame, lame.

you mean......

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gard

Hey man, give ZOS a break!

They responded to the overwhelming number of posts from users on the forum and fixed sound.

LOL

Here's a flame retardant facepalm shield. These should be standard issue on the forum.

RazzPitazz

gard wrote: »

Hey man, give ZOS a break!

They responded to the overwhelming number of posts from users on the forum and fixed sound.

LOL

Here's a flame retardant facepalm shield. These should be standard issue on the forum.

Pretty certain I need this.

whyB

Lenikus wrote: »

whyB wrote: »

How do you abandon a quest? I've not been able to figure this out yet.

Journal (Press J), right click quest, Abandon.. you can also share some in a group.

Thank you, if it is an option on PC, then hopefully I'll have the same option somehow within console.

ontheleftcoast

The problem is the attitude of the developers (or the people telling the developers what to do) seems to be living in the old world of single player Tamriel. Let's be honest, there are TONS of bugs in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. But there were ways for third party fixes to be applied. The Unofficial Skyrim Patch is up to version 2.1 or some such, they're fixing bugs like the Black Star capturing white souls and fairly major game mechanics like borked pickpocket bonuses, etc. But here in the Online world there is little that can be done in that regards. So we have to rely on the developers and who ever decided what the cost/benefit of having more developers would be seems to have failed to appreciate just how much previous TES titles relied on free support from the community to make the game run smoothly. This was a major screw up on their part.

RazzPitazz

whyB wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

whyB wrote: »

How do you abandon a quest? I've not been able to figure this out yet.

Journal (Press J), right click quest, Abandon.. you can also share some in a group.

Thank you, if it is an option on PC, then hopefully I'll have the same option somehow within console.

It should be on the tabs at the top when you enter inventory, character screen etc.

Sacadon

if it was an XP nerf then grrr. if not then keep in mind that it may have been a 2 sec fix and you cannot correlate fixes to priority without more info. ZOS should save us from our imaginations in such situations, as it has greater chance to work in their favor. not their style though

firstdecan

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Quests & Zones
Reaper’s March
•Giant snakes will no longer respawn in as large of numbers as they did previously in Thormar.

I've played thru Reaper's March numerous times. You know what has been a real problem? Broken quests. Yeah, having to abandon and restart the Two Moon's quest every time I play thru Reaper's March is a pretty major deal. Snakes? Not much of an issue.

Let me guess, someone figured out a way to use them to grind some XP or materials so that was THE MOST IMPORTANT FIX EVER and broken quest mechanics (which have been borked for a year or more) don't rate. Wonderful sense of priority at Zenimax.

Bolded the most probable reason. ZoS spends more time breaking working things than fixing broken things. You'd think this was a government contract and not a consumer service.

Garion

Well they have to make it look like they are doing something

kaithuzar

It wasn't even a GREAT grind. It was maybe from level 25-42, & even then took at least 12 hours if not closer to 24 hours to grind out those levels.

SC0TY999

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Hey man, give ZOS a break!

They responded to the overwhelming number of posts from users on the forum and fixed sound.

LOL

Here's a flame retardant facepalm shield. These should be standard issue on the forum.

Pretty certain I need this.

Is there one available that protects you against BS?

Probably available on the crown store soon!

Zorrashi

I'd easily take the "giant snake" fix than nothing at all.

RazzPitazz

"Improved the VO for the Prophet and Molag Bal in Bleakrock Isle, Khenarthi’s Roost, and Stros M’kai."

How are people still at this part of the game? How is the main story (which is collectievly less than 3 hours if gameplay) even a concern anymore? They have revamped the tutorial area numerous times, revamped several aspects of the main story which quite honestly cannot even be concidered the backbone of the game. If anything it's like a pinky finger, no one likes it when it is missing but it doesn't actually keep you from doing anything without it.

Sledgemoto

kaithuzar wrote: »

It wasn't even a GREAT grind. It was maybe from level 25-42, & even then took at least 12 hours if not closer to 24 hours to grind out those levels.

It was the best place for EP to grind out the last 4 VR levels. But due to the recent popularity I guess they figured they needed to nerf it. So pro tip to the PvE community, the delves in cyrodiil are great places to grind out levels :-)

ontheleftcoast

Zorrashi wrote: »

I'd easily take the "giant snake" fix than nothing at all.

Well the patch is downloading and it's only 500Mb so it wasn't much of a patch. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

ontheleftcoast

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

I'd easily take the "giant snake" fix than nothing at all.

Well the patch is downloading and it's only 500Mb so it wasn't much of a patch. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Oops, strike that. The first hunk is 500Mb but it looks like there are several hunks. By Malacath's Hairy Backside can't they figure out how to tell us how big the patch is?!

RazzPitazz

Sledgemoto wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

It wasn't even a GREAT grind. It was maybe from level 25-42, & even then took at least 12 hours if not closer to 24 hours to grind out those levels.

It was the best place for EP to grind out the last 4 VR levels. But due to the recent popularity I guess they figured they needed to nerf it. So pro tip to the PvE community, the delves in cyrodiil are great places to grind out levels :-)

Way to ruin it.
Welcome to Grind Club.
First rule: We do not talk about Grind Club.
Second rule: We do NOT talk about Grind Club!
Third rule: We do not talk about grind spots publicly.

kaithuzar

Sledgemoto wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

It wasn't even a GREAT grind. It was maybe from level 25-42, & even then took at least 12 hours if not closer to 24 hours to grind out those levels.

It was the best place for EP to grind out the last 4 VR levels. But due to the recent popularity I guess they figured they needed to nerf it. So pro tip to the PvE community, the delves in cyrodiil are great places to grind out levels :-)

A Nerf to cyrodiil coming soon to a campaign near you!

SirAndy

Sledgemoto wrote: »

So pro tip to the PvE community, the delves in cyrodiil are great places to grind out levels :-)

Sledgemoto

they just raised the xp in cyrodiil a few patches ago... I'm just encouraging people to come out and enjoy the rewards

Alphashado

I don't understand why they continue to nerf grind spots, when it's grinders that are more likely to buy XP pots/scrolls.

I heard recently (somewhere) that with an upcoming patch, they are going to be increasing quest/dungeon xp so that it's on par with grinding. So that was a step in the right direction.. so I thought. I figured maybe they finally decided to wise up and stop fighting players that only want to get to max level for endgame content. Agree or disagree, they are paying customers and lets face it, the Vet Ranks are pretty tedious to get through when you are on your 2cnd or 3rd alt.

But after reading this patch note about grinding snakes, it makes me wonder if they really just don't have any clear goal in mind and simply knee-jerk react to various individual situations.

They seem to be reactive rather than proactive. Maybe that is the name of the game, but if you are only reacting, then you will always be one step behind.

BigM

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

"Improved the VO for the Prophet and Molag Bal in Bleakrock Isle, Khenarthi’s Roost, and Stros M’kai."

How are people still at this part of the game? How is the main story (which is collectievly less than 3 hours if gameplay) even a concern anymore? They have revamped the tutorial area numerous times, revamped several aspects of the main story which quite honestly cannot even be concidered the backbone of the game. If anything it's like a pinky finger, no one likes it when it is missing but it doesn't actually keep you from doing anything without it.

Called exploring, taking your time and role playing! You have heard of these things right?

I know role players that will actually walk in town once they get there. Yep they play the game their way and because when you look at the game it actually is a great role playing game.

Zorrashi

Alphashado wrote: »

I don't understand why they continue to nerf grind spots, when it's grinders that are more likely to buy XP pots/scrolls.

I heard recently (somewhere) that with an upcoming patch, they are going to be increasing quest/dungeon xp so that it's on par with grinding. So that was a step in the right direction.. so I thought. I figured maybe they finally decided to wise up and stop fighting players that only want to get to max level for endgame content. Agree or disagree, they are paying customers and lets face it, the Vet Ranks are pretty tedious to get through when you are on your 2cnd or 3rd alt.

But after reading this patch note about grinding snakes, it makes me wonder if they really just don't have any clear goal in mind and simply knee-jerk react to various individual situations.

They seem to be reactive rather than proactive.

Didn't zos say something along the lines of "we didn't have that in mind [grinding] when we made the game"? With all of their nerfing, they seem to be expressing that they consider grinding as a borderline exploit.

BigM

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

I'd easily take the "giant snake" fix than nothing at all.

Well the patch is downloading and it's only 500Mb so it wasn't much of a patch. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Oops, strike that. The first hunk is 500Mb but it looks like there are several hunks. By Malacath's Hairy Backside can't they figure out how to tell us how big the patch is?!

Yep they are right on size "approximately 5GB for English, 6.5GB for German, and 7.4GB for French" at least we didn't have to wait for servers to come up to get it. That is a small plus.

Alphashado

Zorrashi wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

I don't understand why they continue to nerf grind spots, when it's grinders that are more likely to buy XP pots/scrolls.

I heard recently (somewhere) that with an upcoming patch, they are going to be increasing quest/dungeon xp so that it's on par with grinding. So that was a step in the right direction.. so I thought. I figured maybe they finally decided to wise up and stop fighting players that only want to get to max level for endgame content. Agree or disagree, they are paying customers and lets face it, the Vet Ranks are pretty tedious to get through when you are on your 2cnd or 3rd alt.

But after reading this patch note about grinding snakes, it makes me wonder if they really just don't have any clear goal in mind and simply knee-jerk react to various individual situations.

They seem to be reactive rather than proactive.

Didn't zos say something along the lines of "we didn't have that in mind [grinding] when we made the game"? With all of their nerfing, they seem to be expressing that they consider grinding as a borderline exploit.

Perhaps. But being close to an exploit doesn't make it an exploit. And the sheer number of paying customers that prefer this method of leveling cannot be ignored. There is a message in the fact that such a huge number of players prefer to grind. And that message is that an alarming number of customers find Vet leveling tedious. Turning a blind eye to those customers doesn't solve the problem. It only eliminates potential revenue that could be used for future content.

Plus there are a ton of people (myself included) that enjoy both methods of leveling. I sometimes feel like questing, and I sometimes feel like mindless grinding. Reducing viable options only succeeds in reducing the game population. Which is bad for all of us.

Ethona

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

The problem is the attitude of the developers (or the people telling the developers what to do) seems to be living in the old world of single player Tamriel. Let's be honest, there are TONS of bugs in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. But there were ways for third party fixes to be applied. The Unofficial Skyrim Patch is up to version 2.1 or some such, they're fixing bugs like the Black Star capturing white souls and fairly major game mechanics like borked pickpocket bonuses, etc. But here in the Online world there is little that can be done in that regards. So we have to rely on the developers and who ever decided what the cost/benefit of having more developers would be seems to have failed to appreciate just how much previous TES titles relied on free support from the community to make the game run smoothly. This was a major screw up on their part.

You know, you're right to bring up Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Those games only got bug fixes from the hard work of players DEV mods! Players of those games have made a lot of nice size mods that fixes tons of bugs and content! So why should we expect the company to fix bugs in ESO? Sadly we players can't make our own bug fix mods for this game. It's my opinion that the issues is company wide, and that points to the upper admins. The core of a company always reflects the upper admins.