Must a nightblade sneak?

waterfairy

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

danovic

Damage is doubled and quadrupled for nightblades attacking from hiding so without sneak you not making a nightblade. Every class can attack from sneak for more damage only nightblades can go invisible for more damage wile fighting without a potion.

waterfairy

danovic wrote: »

Damage is doubled and quadrupled for nightblades attacking from hiding so without sneak you not making a nightblade. Every class can attack from sneak for more damage only nightblades can go invisible for more damage wile fighting without a potion.

I had no idea they can do that much sneak damage, it seems wasteful not to sneak then. I tried a sneaky nightblade archer but bows draw too slow for my tastes so I deleted them.

PBpsy

danovic wrote: »

Damage is doubled and quadrupled for nightbladesattacking from hiding so without sneak you not making a nightblade. Every class can attack from sneak for more damage only nightblades can go invisible for more damage wile fighting without a potion.

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Vigarr wrote: »

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

Yes. Most damage you will do is out of stealth with any weapon you use. With DW it is actually most of it since there are no crazy burst DW attacks from stealth like Wreaking blow or Snipe only the lame flying blade. .Stealth only has a use in PVP and very inefficient RPish solo pve play.

The best AOE dps in the game is done by a DW nightblade out of stealth .

It is important to mention what do you want to use the build for PVE or PVP.. Most questions have different answers for one or the other.

waterfairy

PBpsy wrote: »

Yes. Most damage you will do is out of stealth with any weapon you use. With DW it is actually most of it since there are no crazy burst DW attacks from stealth like Wreaking blow or Snipe only the lame flying blade. .Stealth only has a use in PVP and very inefficient RPish solo pve play.

The best AOE dps in the game is done by a DW nightblade out of stealth .

It is important to mention what do you want to use the build for PVE or PVP.. Most questions have different answers for one or the other.

Thanks for the info. I plan on PvE mainly but possibly some PvP later.

FireflyNeph

I have a dual wield nightblade. Honestly, the only time I sneak is when it's a boss or a much higher level enemy. I will try to sneak up on them and get the most amount of damage I can on my first couple of hits. The rest of the time I find it's more trouble and time than it's worth, sneaking around just to hit them one or two less times. Dual wield has some nice attacks, and the ultimate for Siphoning is hugely beneficial, especially at the higher levels. I pair it with Quick Cloak and do some pretty heavy damage before I even swing a weapon. I only run PvE, though, so I can't vouch for PvP at all. This is just what works for me, but everyone's play style is different.

PBpsy

Vigarr wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Yes. Most damage you will do is out of stealth with any weapon you use. With DW it is actually most of it since there are no crazy burst DW attacks from stealth like Wreaking blow or Snipe only the lame flying blade. .Stealth only has a use in PVP and very inefficient RPish solo pve play.

The best AOE dps in the game is done by a DW nightblade out of stealth .

It is important to mention what do you want to use the build for PVE or PVP.. Most questions have different answers for one or the other.

Thanks for the info. I plan on PvE mainly but possibly some PvP later.

For solo pve sneaking will give you some burst and you will be able to one shot some targets but you usually are able to just AOE them down fast enough so it is not really worth it unless you like the idea behind it. On solo bosses you might get a bit of early advantage but not much. On group bosses your initial stealth burst will barely scratch them so not much use.

For PVP sneaking is powerful since you will get som crazy burst. However the DW skills are not that great for that and you will probably us class skills.

danovic

PBpsy wrote: »

danovic wrote: »

Damage is doubled and quadrupled for nightbladesattacking from hiding so without sneak you not making a nightblade. Every class can attack from sneak for more damage only nightblades can go invisible for more damage wile fighting without a potion.

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Vigarr wrote: »

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

Yes. Most damage you will do is out of stealth with any weapon you use. With DW it is actually most of it since there are no crazy burst DW attacks from stealth like Wreaking blow or Snipe only the lame flying blade. .Stealth only has a use in PVP and very inefficient RPish solo pve play.

The best AOE dps in the game is done by a DW nightblade out of stealth .

It is important to mention what do you want to use the build for PVE or PVP.. Most questions have different answers for one or the other.

Your doing it wrong

PBpsy

danovic wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

danovic wrote: »

Damage is doubled and quadrupled for nightbladesattacking from hiding so without sneak you not making a nightblade. Every class can attack from sneak for more damage only nightblades can go invisible for more damage wile fighting without a potion.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLOOOLLOLLOOLOOLOOLO Staph

Vigarr wrote: »

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

Yes. Most damage you will do is out of stealth with any weapon you use. With DW it is actually most of it since there are no crazy burst DW attacks from stealth like Wreaking blow or Snipe only the lame flying blade. .Stealth only has a use in PVP and very inefficient RPish solo pve play.

The best AOE dps in the game is done by a DW nightblade out of stealth .

It is important to mention what do you want to use the build for PVE or PVP.. Most questions have different answers for one or the other.

Your doing it wrong

This guy....

Majic

Yes. Nightblades Must Sneak. It Is The Law.

If you don't, the Nightblade Police will come for you in the night and backstab you for quadruple damage.

PBpsy

Majic wrote: »

Yes. Nightblades Must Sneak. It Is The Law.

If you don't, the Nightblade Police will come for you in the night and backstab you for quadruple damage.

Yeah. Lol.. The quadruple damage NBs are better than the normal triple damage stealth crit NBs. I am screwed especially since my main is mainly a magicka NB that sometimes does the lame stamina thing until my second Vr4 NB gets to Vr14 so I can start playing NB not the "wrong way".

Stam NB players are quite a species .

Majic

Having said that, I will confess something: my nightblades don't always sneak.

But you don't want to follow my example, because I'm a loner, PBpsy. A rebel.

Lynx7386

Vigarr wrote: »

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

It's entirely possible to make a non-stealthy nightblade, but you'll (almost) always be more effective if you at least start each fight from stealth, simply because nightblade passives greatly boost damage when attacking from stealth.

That said, there are a lot of builds that do not utilize (or heavily utilize) sneaking. Tanky builds focusing on the siphoning tree are popular, as are nightblade spellcaster (aka bloodmage/warlock) builds.

My main is a veteran rank nightblade, and I run 7 medium armor with a 2h sword and a bow. Other than the occasional opener from stealth with wrecking blow (which one shots most enemies when used from stealth), I dont really sneak about all that much, the build I use is more frontline-fighter.

PBpsy

Majic wrote: »

Having said that, I will confess something: my nightblades don't always sneak.

But you don't want to follow my example, because I'm a loner, PBpsy. A rebel.

I don't understand.

danovic

Sneak,ambush,surprise attack,deadly blade for the kill and heal then shadow to sneak and repeat always from behind and they always dead. Every attack kills everything in one or 2 quick hits then back in shadow and hide repeat. I've killed 6 mob groups in all vet dungeons in 6 to 12 hits solo to kill them all every time with Stamina NB.

Darkonflare15

danovic wrote: »

Sneak,ambush,surprise attack,deadly blade for the kill and heal then shadow to sneak and repeat always from behind and they always dead. Every attack kills everything in one or 2 quick hits then back in shadow and hide repeat. I've killed 6 mob groups in all vet dungeons in 6 to 12 hits solo to kill them all every time with Stamina NB.

The only sneak bonus nightblades have is when we strike from stealth we get a longer stun. That is it. All of the crit can come from other sources for other classes. I use two hand I can things really fast because I have high burst damage and high crit with out stealth. So you really do not have to do stealth at all since you can be a healer nightblade and a tank night and still be effective.

PBpsy

danovic wrote: »

Sneak,ambush,surprise attack,deadly blade for the kill and heal then shadow to sneak and repeat always from behind and they always dead. Every attack kills everything in one or 2 quick hits then back in shadow and hide repeat. I've killed 6 mob groups in all vet dungeons in 6 to 12 hits solo to kill them all every time with Stamina NB.

You are doing it wrong. instead you can go against groups of 12 + with Steel tornado +Caltrops and they all melt. No stealthy nonsense.

Shunravi

Who uses stealth outside pvp?

danovic

Any class can use steel tornado boring no other class can kill vet dungeon mobs in one hit. Got tired of steel tornado fast My DK uses it all the time how about trying to play a class instead of some generic adventurer.

PBpsy

danovic wrote: »

Any class can use steel tornado boring no other class can kill vet dungeon mobs in one hit. Got tired of steel tornado fast My DK uses it all the time how about trying to play a class instead of some generic adventurer.

We are talking about efficient pve dps. You can use your little generic sneaky rogue RP build anytime and anywhere you want if it is fun for you. Nothing wrong with that.

danovic

No we are talking about must we sneak for me yes I like having the highest single target dps in the game. Not the highest aoe damage If I want high Aoe damage I'll nuke them down with my bow It is way higher then steal tornado.

PBpsy

danovic wrote: »

No we are talking about must we sneak for me yes I like having the highest single target dps in the game. Not the highest aoe damage If I want high Aoe damage I'll nuke them down with my bow It is way higher then steal tornado.

Your highest single target damage on a single trash mob out of a group that you could have AOED down directly in as much time as you had done that. Congratz!!!. Show me your stealth giving you the best single target DPS or doing anything for that matter in a vet dungeon ,trial or dsa boss fight lasting a few minutes and having a few add waves .

Ok let's now be serious again. Bow doing more than Steel tornado!?? . Yep goodbye.

eliisra

Shunravi wrote: »

Who uses stealth outside pvp?

Everyone farming NPC's with Snipe or Wrecking Blow. Cant really pull it of unless you use stealth weapon attack. It's a very popular activity. Care bear version of PvP, but with better loot.

But for sure, no point using stealth in normal PvE combat. Not on NB or any class. What's the point? By the time you're hidden and positioned, the mob would have been dead 10 seconds ago.

Mitchblue

Shunravi wrote: »

Who uses stealth outside pvp?

Me. I'm usually 5-7 levels under what the mobs are so any extra damage can come in handy. Or when I want to sneak past a big group. Plus one-two shooting a mob with snipe is fun.

Kronosphere

you could make a shield sword nb with tonnes of stam regen. be a brick wall till they run out of resources then go for the kill. thats a decent build for nb that isnt sneaky

Personofsecrets

Must an owl hoot, a cow give milk, a fish live in water?

Kronosphere

nah there are a heap of good nb builds that arent the stealthy type. problem with this is hes kinda saying "can i build like a stealthy nb assassin. and not be a stealthy nb assassin?"

Moonshadow66

Imo, sneaking just for the bonus damage is overrated. There're more skills (class/weapons) which are completely useless in stealth because the enemies spot you the moment you press the button. Also, f.e. Ambush used to be a great sneak attack, but it's worthless since it was nerfed to death. So I don't care for sneak attacks anymore.

I have both a magicka Nightblade and a stamina Nightblade, both do a good job without stealthing around. Well, except for stealing stuff, but that's a different story

waterfairy

Thanks for the input everyone, I can't quote all so I passed out insightful's to the posts that taught me a little something. I had no idea that the whirlwind ability was strong later, it seemed like a weak one when I tried it on another DW character. I rolled a DW Redguard nightblade last night...I'm not really sure what the best abilities are but I will play around and learn as I go.

In case you're curious, here she is in all her noob armor glory...yes I play as both men and women, big whoop wanna fight about it?

(going for a Sand Snake thing)

TalonShina

Like the pic. I am doing MB to but more heals. I use sneak as well though when soloing not all the time just when I need the burst. Usually after agony I hide then use teleport strike.l I like the class overall. I am looking forward to higher levels I am only 9 but this thread provided good info. If I decide the DPS route

Hypertionb14_ESO

Vigarr wrote: »

Or can they be effective dual wielders without being sneaky?

On an loosely related side note, has anyone tried a dual wielding sorcerer?

As you can tell I want to try a different sort of dual wielding build but I'm not sure how well it would work.

Stam DW sorc plays out just like any other DW build.... tho sorc can get massive self healing from Rapid Strikes channel and Crit Surge (enough to out heal most mobs DPS)

thats honestly about the only unique benefit to sorcs for stam tho... almost nothing else going for that playstyle on that class.

Talking from experience... my tag is not for giggles.