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POLL: Should the Champion system be allowed/changed/removed?
BigInGlenumbra
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I consider 3 categories
1: allowed (stay the same)
2-5: changed
6: removed
CP - champion point(s)
Edited by BigInGlenumbra on June 26, 2015 8:56PM 1: allowed (stay the same)
2-5: changed
6: removed
CP - champion point(s)
POLL: Should the Champion system be allowed/changed/removed? 51 votes
1. It should stay the same
56%
29 votes
2. Max CP cap should be lowered
9%
5 votes
3. Should be harder to gain CP the more you have (or easier for players with less CP)
13%
7 votes
4. Diminishing returns for Champ stats should be higher the more CP you have
1%
1 vote
5. Assortment of 2-5
3%
2 votes
6. REMOVE IT!
13%
7 votes
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Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameStop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Diminishing returns is already a part of the CP system. There are some passives that I have 50 points in that already are only giving me 0.1% per point.Edited by Akavir_Sentinel on June 26, 2015 8:59PM -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭1. It should stay the sameThe system is fine as is. The only thing is maybe sometime down the road. Like years down the road. Make it easier to get the first 400. -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Stop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Sorry mate, but are there a lot of CP polls? I honestly haven't seen one in a while, though I'm not here daily. -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭6. REMOVE IT!Because:
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameBigInGlenumbra wrote: »I consider 3 categories
1: allowed (stay the same)
2-5: changed
6: removed
CP - champion point(s)
While I think the system is unfinished and needs changes, if your options are the only changes, leave it as is. -
IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameBigInGlenumbra wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Stop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Sorry mate, but are there a lot of CP polls? I honestly haven't seen one in a while, though I'm not here daily.
Regardless, I think you're getting your answer.
Let's not go back to the six plus weeks of drama that was this forum before the Champion system was released.
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BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Stop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Sorry mate, but are there a lot of CP polls? I honestly haven't seen one in a while, though I'm not here daily.
Regardless, I think you're getting your answer.
Let's not go back to the six plus weeks of drama that was this forum before the Champion system was released.
Well, although it's like a dozen people now, even if we go by forum polls, it doesn't mean it's necessarily accurate. Only certain people even join the forums too. The vast majority won't have an observable say in this.
But, it's better than nothing. -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameBigInGlenumbra wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Stop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Sorry mate, but are there a lot of CP polls? I honestly haven't seen one in a while, though I'm not here daily.
Regardless, I think you're getting your answer.
Let's not go back to the six plus weeks of drama that was this forum before the Champion system was released.
Well, although it's like a dozen people now, even if we go by forum polls, it doesn't mean it's necessarily accurate. Only certain people even join the forums too. The vast majority won't have an observable say in this.
But, it's better than nothing.
The vast majority are going to vote to keep it the way it is. The only players who are going to vote otherwise are extreme casuals who can't or won't put in the time required to earn CP's, players who don't have any veteran toons, and new players who think other players having a lot of CP's is "unfair". -
Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭6. REMOVE IT!Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Stop with all of the CP whine threads and polls already. Champion Points are fine as-is. Put in the time required to get them like everyone else.
Sorry mate, but are there a lot of CP polls? I honestly haven't seen one in a while, though I'm not here daily.
Regardless, I think you're getting your answer.
Let's not go back to the six plus weeks of drama that was this forum before the Champion system was released.
Well, although it's like a dozen people now, even if we go by forum polls, it doesn't mean it's necessarily accurate. Only certain people even join the forums too. The vast majority won't have an observable say in this.
But, it's better than nothing.
The vast majority are going to vote to keep it the way it is. The only players who are going to vote otherwise are extreme casuals who can't or won't put in the time required to earn CP's, players who don't have any veteran toons, and new players who think other players having a lot of CP's is "unfair".
Not true.
I don't like it, I think it is just "lazy content" to keep people chasing the proverbial carrot on a stick without any meaning. -
Muizer✭✭✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »I consider 3 categories
1: allowed (stay the same)
2-5: changed
6: removed
Allowed? Who is going to disallow it? Really weird choice of wording there.
Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is! -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameI say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....Edited by Akavir_Sentinel on June 26, 2015 9:40PM -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭2. Max CP cap should be loweredAkavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding. -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭1. It should stay the sameAkavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day. -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the sameAkavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
There are 36 passives. You can put 100 points into each passive. 36 x 100 = 3,600 Champion Points.
Like I said before, read up on it: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/01/15/update-6-guide-the-champion-systemEdited by Akavir_Sentinel on June 26, 2015 9:53PM -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭2. Max CP cap should be loweredjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day.
Show me where it's written. 1080 is the max you can use. I suppose the rest would be redundant, even if that's the case, but show me a link that states that as a fact. I can show you plenty that dispute it.
http://esoacademy.com/champion-system/
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Champion+System -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the samejamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day.
Show me where it's written. 1080 is the max you can use. I suppose the rest would be redundant, even if that's the case, but show me a link that states that as a fact. I can show you plenty that dispute it.
http://esoacademy.com/champion-system/
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Champion+System
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/01/15/update-6-guide-the-champion-system -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭1. It should stay the samejamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day.
Show me where it's written. 1080 is the max you can use. I suppose the rest would be redundant, even if that's the case, but show me a link that states that as a fact. I can show you plenty that dispute it.
http://esoacademy.com/champion-system/
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Champion+System
What are you talking about? Look in the game. Count. what is 36 times 100?Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on June 26, 2015 9:56PM -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. It should stay the samejamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day.
Show me where it's written. 1080 is the max you can use. I suppose the rest would be redundant, even if that's the case, but show me a link that states that as a fact. I can show you plenty that dispute it.
http://esoacademy.com/champion-system/
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Champion+System
What are you talking about? Look in the game. Count. what is 36 times 100?
Exactly. This is the problem with polls like this. You get players complaining about a system they know nothing about. -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭2. Max CP cap should be loweredjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I say limit max CP to 90. The game needs a hard max, that's my biggest beef with it, really. Due to so much CP, even VR14's are not equal.
90? The max CP you can get is 3,600 and you want to set it at 90? You obviously don't even know how CP works or have even looked at it in-game. You can't even acquire the top passive of the various trees with less than 360. Veterans were automatically given 70 at the conversion and you want to cap it at 90? I don't even have the words....
There are 9 skill lines and they max out at 120 each. How do you get 3600 from that? 1080. The reason I say 90 is because that's about what you have when you reach VR14, and it is nice and round. You can devote 10 to each, or 30 to one in each color, or somewhere in between depending on how you want to build it. Granted they would need to remove some of the buffs, but to me it's a bit ridiculous that a newer player can't eventually catch up. And I've been playing since beta. Still, to me it's better to reward actual skill as opposed to mindless grinding.
You can earn 3600 cp. its been this way since the first day.
Show me where it's written. 1080 is the max you can use. I suppose the rest would be redundant, even if that's the case, but show me a link that states that as a fact. I can show you plenty that dispute it.
http://esoacademy.com/champion-system/
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Champion+System
What are you talking about? Look in the game. Count. what is 36 times 100?
The passives max at 120 for each of the 9 areas. That's what I was counting. 120 X 9. There are 36 areas that you can spend them. 4 in each of the 9 areas. They each go to 100? That I did not know. At VR10 I have like 72 or something. -
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭2. Max CP cap should be lowered
Well the Supreme Court made it legal today
(assuming your male) Edited by jkemmery on June 26, 2015 10:36PM -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭how many of these cp polls do we really need? ;/
Come on, polls are better than nothing. They are completely fine. I don't get why people have such a problem with these. Who cares?Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Exactly. This is the problem with polls like this. You get players complaining about a system they know nothing about.
Yes and it goes both ways
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coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭6. REMOVE IT!jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »The system is fine as is. The only thing is maybe sometime down the road. Like years down the road. Make it easier to get the first 400.
I finally moved to the I hate it crowd.
People who put in more time should be more powerful then people that don't. But the Champion System allows for such a big advantage that it's starting to get pretty stupid. I pvp enough with all 4 classes to notice a huge difference between someone with over 400 cp and my 200 cp. It's horribad. -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »The system is fine as is. The only thing is maybe sometime down the road. Like years down the road. Make it easier to get the first 400.
I finally moved to the I hate it crowd.
People who put in more time should be more powerful then people that don't. But the Champion System allows for such a big advantage that it's starting to get pretty stupid. I pvp enough with all 4 classes to notice a huge difference between someone with over 400 cp and my 200 cp. It's horribad.
Yea, it really will deter newers players further down the line when more and more people have a really high amount of CPs. And the fact that it would take MONTHS to get to a good point and YEARS to get all CPs is not a good thing at all. It's actually absolutely terrible, because there will be such people out there knowing that the majority of people won't bother getting all CPs.
You should be better than those that haven't put in time, but there should be a good limit, man. Otherwise, people arguing that the CP system is okay out of the moral argument that you should be rewarded for the work you put in, although correct, is incredibly impractical because what if it were the case the cap was 10,000 CPs and 400 max cps in each passive or something? What if it was 20k? 100k? Sure it would take ridiculously long, but in theory why do you think there is a cap in every MMO ever. It's there to not *** off a large number of people so that they leave and the game loses business. This has nothing to do with ethics.