Experience Point Booster Outrage

elixir

Spottswoode wrote: »

elixir wrote: »

Why do people act like Buy to Play hasn't been the model since Pong? For decades, games were B2P. I'd argue the subscription model did more harm than B2P ever did.

Pong didn't have a cash shop. Next argument please.

Cash shop is not B2P. Buying ESOTU is buy to play just like buying Super Mario Bros. was. B2P put games in trillions of hands. Subscriptions don't even come close to those numbers.

Lykurgis

Frenkthevile wrote: »

The recipe can be found ingame, and if you're a ''skilled''crafter you make more drinks at a time...and they last twice the duration of the crown version. So...stop crying: CPs DO HAVE a cap afterall, and we'll get here.

PS: the crown cost is very high...10€ for 300 minutes...

PPS: PvP ruins games.

Where is this crown store version? Cause it's not in the store when I open the crown store.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Uh I play on PC and I'm all for these EXP boost. Don't compare those of us who want equal fun for all to PC elitest *snip snip bad words* who want to ruin every ones fun who isn't a PC elitest.

Rhakon

Championssystem is the problem not lvl 1 to vet 14. the boosters should not work past that.

Spottswoode

elixir wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

elixir wrote: »

Why do people act like Buy to Play hasn't been the model since Pong? For decades, games were B2P. I'd argue the subscription model did more harm than B2P ever did.

Pong didn't have a cash shop. Next argument please.

Cash shop is not B2P. Buying ESOTU is buy to play just like buying Super Mario Bros. was. B2P put games in trillions of hands. Subscriptions don't even come close to those numbers.

Super Mario is an MMO? Must've missed that. 30 years ago.

Komma

They should have made the crown store xp drinks for lvls only and the craftable for all things that use xp. I dont have any real problem with the way it is now though. Its about a 2% chance per fish to get the drop that gives you 4 drinks which is between 120 and 200 minutes of xp bonus. People wanna waste their rl money then i say go ahead. It will only put more money back into the game for development.

elixir

Super Mario is an MMO? Must've missed that. 30 years ago.

Missed that and the point.

Lava_Croft

Rhakon wrote: »

Championssystem is the problem not lvl 1 to vet 14. the boosters should not work past that.

This is what they said a while ago, but I guess the prospect of $$$ made them change their minds once again.

Spottswoode

elixir wrote: »

Super Mario is an MMO? Must've missed that. 30 years ago.

Missed that and the point.

Ehh..no that was you.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

Championssystem is the problem not lvl 1 to vet 14. the boosters should not work past that.

This is what they said a while ago, but I guess the prospect of $$$ made them change their minds once again.

See..if this was the first time it wouldn't be so bad.

DDuke

elixir wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

elixir wrote: »

Why do people act like Buy to Play hasn't been the model since Pong? For decades, games were B2P. I'd argue the subscription model did more harm than B2P ever did.

Pong didn't have a cash shop. Next argument please.

Cash shop is not B2P. Buying ESOTU is buy to play just like buying Super Mario Bros. was. B2P put games in trillions of hands. Subscriptions don't even come close to those numbers.

Considering there's roughly only about 14,6 billion hands in the world, I doubt the accuracy of your "trillions" estimate.

That said, when we're speaking about MMORPGs, we need to compare with other MMORPGs and take into account differences such as high costs for servers & need for constant updates to keep players playing your game (keeping employers on payroll, rather than having them move on to next project).

The very first MMORPGs were almost exclusively subscription based, and were significantly more expensive than subscription MMOs today. Costs could run 6$ per hour for playing the game, or 100$+/month.

The first more affordable, big MMORPG was Ultima Online and guess what, subscription based.

Only during the past few years have F2P/B2P MMORPGs started becoming more popular, and as a result the quality has unarguably dropped.

Yet even now, over 10 years later, the market is dominated by a subscription MMO (WoW).

If subscription model did more harm than B2P ever did, then why is a subscription MMO the most played out there?
Why are people complaining about the lack of quality MMOs, and generally considering the genre to be declining?

Could it be that MMOs were in a better place, before companies got greedy & introduced these toxic Cash Shops as a result of B2P/F2P?

You can argue all you want, but not being a MMO, Super Mario Bros. did not require constant content updates or server upkeep, which is why it did not require a revenue source outside just purchasing the box (box sales always go down as time passes, which is why they're only a short term revenue).

Yinmaigao

You guys do realize that if "everyone" is using them, and "everyone" is grinding.... there are only so many places to do so, and the xp return for overcrowding is terrible soooooooo... self-solving problem?

Natjur

Forming a raid today, one player replied "Sorry just triggered an exp potion and don't want to waste it, can't group for the next 50 mins cause I am grinding cp exp"

Wonder how much that will now happen where you can't get people to join you for instances/trials due to exp potions

Glory

Yinmaigao wrote: »

You guys do realize that if "everyone" is using them, and "everyone" is grinding.... there are only so many places to do so, and the xp return for overcrowding is terrible soooooooo... self-solving problem?

The actual problem will become that only the elite (who everyone for these pots seem to hate) will be able to afford to use them, increasing the divide that already exists.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Natjur wrote: »

Forming a raid today, one player replied "Sorry just triggered an exp potion and don't want to waste it, can't group for the next 50 mins cause I am grinding cp exp"

Wonder how much that will now happen where you can't get people to join you for instances/trials due to exp potions

Im not buying this. Someone already got all 7 fragments to craft this and somehow got the rare mat too? Sorry have to call BS.