was 1.5 the better game?

washlov

imagine a 1.5 with a few balance tweaks
fights were you dont die in 2 seconds like in 1.6
were farming champion points is not necessary to be competitive
were new players getting v14 and have a chance in endgame
with 3000 hp and nice low dmg numbers
1.5 with simply added justice system

pls add your opinions and ideas
greetz

edit: pls only PC players vote!!! why the forums not separated.......

Rhakon

yes

Yes in PvP .

Remove Champions System! Boring, linear, player seperating - timesink!

mtwiggz

yes

The only real issue I have with 1.6 is the removal of softcap. Players can now obtain several ridiculously high stats, which makes for many issues in PVP. Couple this with the CP system and its even more ridiculous. I visioned the Champion System to be more of system to close holes in builds, not exploit them.

Apparently ZoS and I, and many other players, had a different view on what this system would do. We went from cookie cutter builds in 1.5 to more indepth cookie cutter builds in 1.6. The only real difference is the amount of CP each player has. PVP is even more unbalanced now than before. At least with soft caps people were exactly that, capped.

Cogo

no

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

washlov

yes

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

what got fixed ? this thread is not about bugs its about the game systems......

Cogo

no

washlov wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

what got fixed ? this thread is not about bugs its about the game systems......

Like heavy armor protect more? :-p

And all kinds of buffs/debuffs so you can build your own class and not just follow some guide, pick X stats and have "best"?

Things like that?

dsalter

yes

Cogo wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

what got fixed ? this thread is not about bugs its about the game systems......

Like heavy armor protect more? :-p

And all kinds of buffs/debuffs so you can build your own class and not just follow some guide, pick X stats and have "best"?

Things like that?

thats currently happening more atm to maximize damage...

PBpsy

yes

Definitely

-Champ System :
-It is advertised as something that adds diversity to the game but the truth is that if you know your role there is absolutely no choice in terms of champ point allocation. it is all reduced to less cost,more regen,more damage,more resist armor, blocking ,dodging ,heals. Once you see it takes you about 5 minutes to figure that there are around 5/6 things that there is any reason to put any points into for each role.

Gearing:
Certainly more interesting in 1.5> I had to run trials to get my best PVE gear in <1.5.I had to farm hundreds of Cyro dolmens in 1.6. Then there rest is either farm AP or farm gold to pay guy who farms AP. So freaking lame it's incredible.

The Buff system:
LoL again there is no choice really. You will get that Major Sorcery ,Savagery,Prophecy,Brutality ,lame*&^ery anyway you can in your stupid class or guild line and be done with it.Really there is no freaking choice.

The ultimate system:


The nerfs to all PVE content.

Cogo wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

what got fixed ? this thread is not about bugs its about the game systems......

Like heavy armor protect more? :-p

And all kinds of buffs/debuffs so you can build your own class and not just follow some guide, pick X stats and have "best"?

Things like that?

It is funny how perceptions differ.
The way I see it the game has never been more about "just follow some guide, pick X stats and have "best"" than it is now.

washlov

yes

to all no voters why do you think so ?

IXI_WiCKeD_IXI

no

I don't even own a pc

Zazaaji

no

My vote made it literally 50/50 at 19 votes each. Never seen such a balanced poll before, wow.

Moonshadow66

yes

Zazaaji wrote: »

My vote made it literally 50/50 at 19 votes each. Never seen such a balanced poll before, wow.

It's funny, my vote just made it 50/50 at 24 votes each^^

Preyfar

no

I'm mixed. I think 1.6 is better, but the PVP exploits have gotten far, far worse. They're ridiculously common now. I can deal with the imbalances due to gear/champion points, but...

Personofsecrets

yes

the game is worse now imo and something that everyone should agree on is that getting the champion system

A. can never relieve the vet level grind because it instituted a much worse grind.

B. Exasperated the the already dwindling population by being given in lieu of actual content.

It is important to think if the champion system and larger numbers were just something added because some eso overseers thought that eso needed those things to be successful console market.

david.haypreub18_ESO

yes

I certainly don't miss broken-OP-LA-DKs block-spamming Talons and whip.

On the other hand, I have no idea why they drastically nerfed the Time To Kill.

About the only thing that stays the same is Templars still suck.

Iluvrien

no

I don't PvP. anymore. So that side of the game interests me about as much as an all-over body rub with a cheese grater.

That isn't about malice, it just doesn't impinge on my experience. I hope they get competitive PvE and PvP sorted out, I really do... but in the mean time, the changes that 1.6 brought (especially the champion system) were a boon to me we regards to my own playstyle.

Personofsecrets

yes

Time to kill a player I think was unintended.

1. Players are doing more damage than before because of how spell/weapon damage stacking were balanced before 1.5 and there not necessarily being a rebalancing of that stacking for the removal of hard caps.

2. Players are doing more damage now because all armor was nerfed for the purpose of basically role playing. Some players were vocal about how cloth users should be squishy (ignoring that this is a fantasy game and that all armor can be, well, magical) and the result is that everyone takes more damage.

Personofsecrets

yes

Iluvrien wrote: »

I don't PvP. anymore. So that side of the game interests me about as much as an all-over body rub with a cheese grater.

That isn't about malice, it just doesn't impinge on my experience. I hope they get competitive PvE and PvP sorted out, I really do... but in the mean time, the changes that 1.6 brought (especially the champion system) were a boon to me we regards to my own playstyle.

That is one thing that I wish had not been lied about.

>Players will get champion points for doing anything

Which just meant we will accumulate enlightenment every day. Which means that I get jack *** for doing my long time favorite thing, trading and checking guild stores.

WillhelmBlack

no

1.6 is better but it's the champion system grind I hate.

Once this console endeavour is over I hope they get rid, make the passives unlockable with skill points that come along with DLC.

Iluvrien

no

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

I don't PvP. anymore. So that side of the game interests me about as much as an all-over body rub with a cheese grater.

That isn't about malice, it just doesn't impinge on my experience. I hope they get competitive PvE and PvP sorted out, I really do... but in the mean time, the changes that 1.6 brought (especially the champion system) were a boon to me we regards to my own playstyle.

That is one thing that I wish had not been lied about.

>Players will get champion points for doing anything

Which just meant we will accumulate enlightenment every day. Which means that I get jack *** for doing my long time favorite thing, trading and checking guild stores.

True. In the same vein I would like to see crafting become harder, more skillful and even more time consuming (although perhaps not through pure time-sinks like research time but through having to use multiple components to arrive at new traits through experimentation rather than just a straight "research this" mechanic)... and as a result that it might actually see an improvement in the amount of character advancement achievable through it.

dodgehopper_ESO

Iluvrien wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

I don't PvP. anymore. So that side of the game interests me about as much as an all-over body rub with a cheese grater.

That isn't about malice, it just doesn't impinge on my experience. I hope they get competitive PvE and PvP sorted out, I really do... but in the mean time, the changes that 1.6 brought (especially the champion system) were a boon to me we regards to my own playstyle.

That is one thing that I wish had not been lied about.

>Players will get champion points for doing anything

Which just meant we will accumulate enlightenment every day. Which means that I get jack *** for doing my long time favorite thing, trading and checking guild stores.

True. In the same vein I would like to see crafting become harder, more skillful and even more time consuming (although perhaps not through pure time-sinks like research time but through having to use multiple components to arrive at new traits through experimentation rather than just a straight "research this" mechanic)... and as a result that it might actually see an improvement in the amount of character advancement achievable through it.

More SWG-like?

Roselle

no

Not for Templars.

Iluvrien

no

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

I don't PvP. anymore. So that side of the game interests me about as much as an all-over body rub with a cheese grater.

That isn't about malice, it just doesn't impinge on my experience. I hope they get competitive PvE and PvP sorted out, I really do... but in the mean time, the changes that 1.6 brought (especially the champion system) were a boon to me we regards to my own playstyle.

That is one thing that I wish had not been lied about.

>Players will get champion points for doing anything

Which just meant we will accumulate enlightenment every day. Which means that I get jack *** for doing my long time favorite thing, trading and checking guild stores.

True. In the same vein I would like to see crafting become harder, more skillful and even more time consuming (although perhaps not through pure time-sinks like research time but through having to use multiple components to arrive at new traits through experimentation rather than just a straight "research this" mechanic)... and as a result that it might actually see an improvement in the amount of character advancement achievable through it.

More SWG-like?

Having never played SWG (although I have heard people talking about it) I can't answer that question. I guess it was rhetorical though. Maybe you could explain the similarities? Otherwise I am going to have to try and dredge up what info I can, and second hand stuff is never as good .

Frenkthevile

no

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

Exactly

Frenkthevile

no

The only one that should like the 1.5 more than the 1.6 is a Staff+Pajama Sorceror.

Elloa

no

Update6 was an amazing update with TONS of very much needed improvement, especially in combat, combat animation, class balance.
There is some need of work obviously, like Racial Passives, some tweak to the Champion system (capping it by seasons? Removing it for Cyrodiil? ) but all in all, the Update 6 had salavged the game, not destroyed it

washlov

yes

in my opinion 1.6 is a consol patch for so much burst cause controller movement is so slow that healing would be superior

Elloa wrote: »

Update6 was an amazing update with TONS of very much needed improvement, especially in combat, combat animation, class balance.
There is some need of work obviously, like Racial Passives, some tweak to the Champion system (capping it by seasons? Removing it for Cyrodiil? ) but all in all, the Update 6 had salavged the game, not destroyed it

yes and now take 1.5 goods like the 3000hp longer pvp fights with the 1.6 goods without a 24/7 farmer prefered system
what would you vote than?
its not about the game should stop getting improved with 1.5

Lyzaaa

yes

I love how the "no" voters mostly talk about PvE , or dont have any argument whatsoever ( sorc/NB players detected )

Really , 1.6 just boosted scaling of everything, sadly classes that scale both defense and offensivly ( to keep it short ) just scale out of control - Roll dodge, shield stacking etc.

Another thing is how offense outscales defense ( flat defense, not talking about shields ) - So everyone is forced to use utility like shields, mist etc to mitigate damage.

The rule of PvP in this game is whoever has the pressure will usually win unless being bursted down. Sadly u can barely burst a nirnhoned rolldodging NB or a shielding sorc.

That including more cancelling made PvP insanely frustrating if ur fighting someone good. - It's possible to fight back but u'll be forced to slot certain skills and even then the odds are against you.

- whoever is the best @ cancelling animations wins. It makes certain classes feel like an empty husk, useless skills as they are simply negated by certain classes or just have to much cast time or to long animation etc. Right now u'll die guarenteed against someone maxing a broken class and farms CP's, even if you play the "forced" builds.

"Play what you want" is definitly not part of PvP - Ur forced to play in a certain way or else u'll die instantly - And even then certain classes are so strong, its pointless.

1.6 removed softcap, now everyone throws it in one basket - Meaning that strawing away from it gets u punished. Builds are no-brainers, and so is PvP

Better nerf whip tho

Etaniel

yes

Elloa wrote: »

Update6 was an amazing update with TONS of very much needed improvement, especially in combat, combat animation, class balance.
There is some need of work obviously, like Racial Passives, some tweak to the Champion system (capping it by seasons? Removing it for Cyrodiil? ) but all in all, the Update 6 had salavged the game, not destroyed it

Combat animations are nice, but they aren't as fluid as before. Combat feels less responsive than before, same with weapon swap.

Class balance isn't ok, it's the same as before but with different classes performing better.

Cogo wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HELL no! Update 6 simply fixed everything to what it should be.

what got fixed ? this thread is not about bugs its about the game systems......

Like heavy armor protect more? :-p

And all kinds of buffs/debuffs so you can build your own class and not just follow some guide, pick X stats and have "best"?

Things like that?

Heavy armor protects better than light armor today yes, step in the right direction. On the other hand, heavy armor protects less than light armor used to, and that's completely stupid.
Dmg numbers are through the roof and now more than ever it's all about getting X stat and maxing it out following a guide, I don't know what game you are playing.

AuldWolf

no

PvP was apparently better in 1.5, I guess? I don't PvP, so I wouldn't know. PvE has improved, though, and will hopefully continue to improve if that's where their focus is (I can only hope). The only thing they could really do is look at how templars are weaker than everyone else in PvE. Honestly, I think given the lack of interest in PvP, they could probably just drop that as a priority all together, as it's very priori ESO, rather than contemporary.

GaldorP

1.5 with the Ultimate gain mechanics, the Stamina morphs and the Armor values of 1.6 would be something I'd like to test

(Edit: So Softcaps would still be in place, each buff would still be unique and stack with all other buffs, and many skills like Igneous Weapons/Molten Armaments, for example, would still have their 1.5 version )