Without these Race/Class combos...you won't get into a end game guild!

Rylana

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

Just splitting hairs but...

so does nightblade, >.>

jussayin

Sandmanninja

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

Just splitting hairs but...

so does nightblade, >.>

jussayin

What is the name of the Night Blade Resto line?
I stand by my statement that Templars are the only class that has a native Healing skill line.
That is, I can heal a group without a Resto staff.

Rylana

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

Just splitting hairs but...

so does nightblade, >.>

jussayin

What is the name of the Night Blade Resto line?
I stand by my statement that Templars are the only class that has a native Healing skill line.
That is, I can heal a group without a Resto staff.

Sap Essence, Funnel health, Refreshing Path, Bolstering darkness (in shadow and siphoning lines)

a whole lot of HoT, add a resto staff to that and it can actually outheal a templar over time. Just lacks the big spike heal of Breath of Life. (which is to this day the ONLY reason templar healers are better than nightblade healers, the spike "save" heal)

The only downside is two of those abilities are offensive in nature, thus get weaker the fewer enemies are around, and also require recipients to be close to the caster. That being said, stacked up with a "Blood Mage" as that version of NB healer is called, youd never notice the difference (especially with Vigor or Combat Prayer added to the mix)


I can even argue that a DK with alliance rank 24 (thus vigor unlocked) in a stam build could make a reliable healer just spamming vigor + igneous shield all day O_o, but we are getting horribly off topic

Elijah_Crow

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

Just splitting hairs but...

so does nightblade, >.>

jussayin

What is the name of the Night Blade Resto line?
I stand by my statement that Templars are the only class that has a native Healing skill line.
That is, I can heal a group without a Resto staff.

Sap Essence, Funnel health, Refreshing Path, Bolstering darkness (in shadow and siphoning lines)

a whole lot of HoT, add a resto staff to that and it can actually outheal a templar over time. Just lacks the big spike heal of Breath of Life. (which is to this day the ONLY reason templar healers are better than nightblade healers, the spike "save" heal)

The only downside is two of those abilities are offensive in nature, thus get weaker the fewer enemies are around, and also require recipients to be close to the caster. That being said, stacked up with a "Blood Mage" as that version of NB healer is called, youd never notice the difference (especially with Vigor or Combat Prayer added to the mix)


I can even argue that a DK with alliance rank 24 (thus vigor unlocked) in a stam build could make a reliable healer just spamming vigor + igneous shield all day O_o, but we are getting horribly off topic

I'm a Nightblade player and I can't even support your post.

Rylana

If people stopped thinking nightblades are only a DPS class theyd see more than just ambush and mark target tbqh

But what do I know, ive only been theorycrafting and then using viable builds since beta

Sandmanninja

[Night Blades] Just lacks the big spike heal of Breath of Life...the ONLY reason templar healers are better than nightblade healers, the spike "save" heal...)

And that, at the end of the day, is why Templars are considered End Content Healers.

Rylana

Sandmanninja wrote: »

[Night Blades] Just lacks the big spike heal of Breath of Life...the ONLY reason templar healers are better than nightblade healers, the spike "save" heal...)

And that, at the end of the day, is why Templars are considered End Content Healers.

You asked me for the skill line, not some statement that templars have a better spike heal.

You said NB has no heals. I told you they do.

End of.

If you really want to test this, ill go respec my nightblade, get my light armor back out, and we can go do a dungeon. Guarantee no one dies O_o

Edit to add: you pay for the respec though, since its that important to you to be verified.

newtinmpls

On the subject of healing, I've not heard anyone mention blood altar (undaunted skill line) I adventure with a group and our "healer" is an altmer/sorc and she uses that and a resto staff (also uses destro when she's not actively healing) and does great so far.

For that matter any sorc gets personal 'spike/emergency' heals if they have the twilight matriach up.

ScruffyWhiskers

I'm a Khajiit magicka night blade. meow. Made sense before 1.6 but now not so much. Now if race changes came to the crown store I would be tempted to switch to Breton or High Elf. But I will resist because Khajiit are cool and i love watching my tail when I run. Even try to chase it once in a while.

What are these uber guilds that you speak of? I had several nice high end guilds help me get my undaunted points up. They put up with my vampiness in Elden Hollow when I first started out and had a tough time staying out of the ouchie ouch red circles. Had to drop vamp temporarily for Vet City of Ash but that just made sense. One guild was really newbie friendly and ran me through AA and Hel Ra.

If you see this game as an equation to be solved you are missing all the fun. And that would be really sad.

Hiero_Glyph

The OP is making huge assumptions regarding builds. An Altmer Sorc, for example, loses some of its potential now that many builds utilize dual wield for increased spell power and not a destruction staff. Altmer still has synergy, but Breton, Imperial, and Dunmer can still be just as effective. Heck, King Richard uses a Redguard. Certainly some classes have better innate synergy but magicka classes can no longer neglect stamina making it far more varied than just Altmer. Every other class can use either magicka or stamina builds so picking just one race as the best usually neglects the other build.

Shadesofkin

The only people who "wont let you into their group" are the types of people you don't actually want to group with.

Rosveen

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

They prefer their healers to be templars. They don't necessarily prefer all their templars to be healers. There's a difference.

Kildayen

Kaide wrote: »

Orc DK with a Destro staff and NORD SORCERER?!?!?!?....Have you lost your mind? You'll get kicked from every end game guild.

This game has no end-game, so you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

MartyVendetta27

Psychobunni wrote: »

I sincerely hope new players don't take this thread seriously.

as a new player, i can assure you, i clicked the topic only to prove to myself that this mentality is broken and toxic. and my beliefs were confirmed a hundred times over. no guild is going to kick my Nightblade because he's a khajiit, that is just stupid.

the only way i could see a race/class combo not being acceptable is in an RP guild, if those exist on here. if I were to form a Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood type guild, I could see not wanting a massive Orc or Nord in full plate trying to pass as a stealth type. But even THAT has precedent with the Orc in Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood who unashamedly being anti-stealth and still being an "assassin".

This guy is bananas. Stolen bananas that this one "borrowed" from a crate just to decide it wasn't worth the used fencing number for that day. So Ra'jhiin made Banana Bread instead.

Kaide

Did I hear someone tell me to check the leader boards? Should I show you an image taken from Excel or Microsoft Word?

lathbury

bosmer nb stam dps, bosmer nb tank' breton nb dps, woodelf dk tank. 21% stam regen on a bosmer with 30 on a nb and 15 if a werewolf yeah no idea why I made these bosmer characters they're horrible lol

Averya_Teira

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Well... They ARE the only class with specific healing skills. You will never understand how easy breath of life makes healing parties versus healing sprint until you try it.

Kaide

Averya_Teira wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Well... They ARE the only class with specific healing skills. You will never understand how easy breath of life makes healing parties versus healing sprint until you try it.

How good are Sourcerers at healing? I was always curious about that

lathbury

Averya_Teira wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Well... They ARE the only class with specific healing skills. You will never understand how easy breath of life makes healing parties versus healing sprint until you try it.

wrong

Kaide

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Because..... they are?
They are the only class with a NATIVE HEAL.
Sorta makes them a natural healer.
Yes, they can dps and tank.
Yes, other classes can heal.
But yes, a lot of end-content players prefer a Templar as their healer.

Just splitting hairs but...

so does nightblade, >.>

jussayin

What is the name of the Night Blade Resto line?
I stand by my statement that Templars are the only class that has a native Healing skill line.
That is, I can heal a group without a Resto staff.

Sap Essence, Funnel health, Refreshing Path, Bolstering darkness (in shadow and siphoning lines)

a whole lot of HoT, add a resto staff to that and it can actually outheal a templar over time. Just lacks the big spike heal of Breath of Life. (which is to this day the ONLY reason templar healers are better than nightblade healers, the spike "save" heal)

The only downside is two of those abilities are offensive in nature, thus get weaker the fewer enemies are around, and also require recipients to be close to the caster. That being said, stacked up with a "Blood Mage" as that version of NB healer is called, youd never notice the difference (especially with Vigor or Combat Prayer added to the mix)


I can even argue that a DK with alliance rank 24 (thus vigor unlocked) in a stam build could make a reliable healer just spamming vigor + igneous shield all day O_o, but we are getting horribly off topic

I'm a Nightblade player and I can't even support your post.

lol

amatic

Its maths dear boy!
Please stop butchering the english language!

Kaide wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

So noone agrees with you, big shock there.

Most people struggle with math

Rosveen

amatic wrote: »

Its maths dear boy!
Please stop butchering the english language!

Kaide wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

So noone agrees with you, big shock there.

Most people struggle with math

Says the guy who missed an apostrophe, a comma and a capital letter in a two-line post.

CuteLilBunny

I'm a freshie and even I know this thread is bull, my Templar Dunnmer does awesome with the fire line.

BurtFreeman

i think with this game anything is possible, so kaina speculation is right, but is the way you like to play that make the difference: the game give plenty of possibilities and could be an error consider only a dps in building, becouse survivability is also an important thing to consider.
i experience a nord sorcer healt build, he is not so easy to kill, yep, the magika pool is not the best, but the combination of warlock, night mother gaze, willow pat, thief mundus, and the basic sorc skill, ensure a very nice weapon-spell crit and even a nice magika pool with great regen. we can speak for eternity about the best class-race to master, but the reality is given by the player (is not my case, becose i'm not so good, but i've seen crazy gamers do unbelievable thing)
my favorite is a nord sorc, becouse of his greate health regen, the dps could be just a little less of other build, but at the end is the explosion of cfrag + empowered ward + power surge + crushing shock + endless fury and the great atronach all toghether that give the dps: is quite a lot of devastating power, with the right spell power potion on top of that.
the nord sorc health build with harness magicka and boundless storm can survive easily, by spell assorbtion and mobility.
i'm not a fan of streak, but you also have that if the things are going badly.
anyway i'm a nord fan and i could not play another race ( i played a templar breton for a while, but thats all)

God-eater

You can have my Bosmer NB when you pry him from my cold, dead hand. No min/maxing can be as much fun for me as the CHARACTER that I've created.

Valrien

Kaide wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

These are the only viable race/class combos in the game.

You still think "Elder Scrolls allows any race to succeed with any playstyle they want!" Put down the Kool-aid kid....this game has less options than other MMORPGs when it comes to race.



Templar - Breton - Breton has decreased spell cost and increased magicka. Ideal for healing small and large groups.

Why people keep saying templars are healers?

Well... They ARE the only class with specific healing skills. You will never understand how easy breath of life makes healing parties versus healing sprint until you try it.

How good are Sourcerers at healing? I was always curious about that

Decided to respond to this as I was reading so sorry if this was already answered, but my Sorcerer heals amazingly!

cincydarkknight

This thread is the same as arguing which works best paper, rock, or scissors.

F7sus4

WelshAssassin1987 wrote: »

Hahaha, min/maxers make me chuckle.

They also make you jealous on their leaderboards results, but that's out of your league anyway.

mklundub17_ESO

You must not fully understand the min/max cookie cutter concept - it's not necessarily a race/class combo, it's based on if you're stamina or magicka and which class better suits that. For example, if you're going Templar then sure Breton might be the better min/max healer but the FOM is stamina DPS builds and that means all stamina races would obviously be preferred, whether redguard, imperial, doesn't matter.

The advantage of imperial is health is neutral and red diamond is always helpful so it's one of the few races that could swing both ways, in every sense.

BloodWolfe

I love my Nord Templar and Argonian DK.