Magicka Templar: HE or Breton?

Ironicles

I think I'm wanting to choose a Magicka Templar to help heal friends in my group. At some point though I'd like to be able to try and switch to DPS, so I'm having trouble deciding between High Elf and Breton. Any thoughts? Pretty much decided Magicka over Stamina, although the idea of doing lots of DPS/tanking intrigues me and I hear Magicka isn't so good for that (as they can't really heal groups from what I hear).

RazzPitazz

If you are a templar you can do both at the same time. Magika determines both magic damage and heal potency. Same for spell crit (You can actually critical heal someone). The Templar is the best healer simply due to the restoration skill line add it provides burst heals for allies.Templars can also do really nice combo burst damage through the dawns wrath skill line. They make good support through a few buff/debuff spells across All their class skill lines.
I don't recall the racial passive of the top of my head, so you're best bet is to go with whatever gives you the most magika.
Stam Templars do provide more dps right now but that doesn't mean it is safe to mess with a magic based one.

LariahHunding

http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/06/01/best-race-and-class-choices-in-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Nifty2g

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Flaminir

As everybody said in the other thread you made on this.... go with Breton.

The extra magicka & spell cost reduction is very powerful for both healing & DPS builds.

The only reason to pick Altmer is for the increase to elemental damage... however almost all Templar DPS skills are magicka damage so won't be affected by this.

On the flip side, the spell cost reduction & extra magicka is supremely useful for both the builds you want.

Ironicles

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Mind stating why? I'm new, thanks!

pjwb16_ESO

Go Dark Elf or Imperial, th emore CP you will have the better they get compared to other races + breton is useless cause how spell cost reduction is calculated atm

Nifty2g

Ironicles wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Mind stating why? I'm new, thanks!

You get free damage passives as a high elf and combat regen. Breton doesn't have any damage passives only reduced spell cost, sounds good but trust me it soon becomes useless

Ironicles

Interesting thanks guys! pjwb... what do you mean by the more CP you have? Imperials the way to go in your opinion?

WyldfireWyrm

Can't go wrong with either really. Personally speaking, I would do the Altmer because I don't like the human races. Though Bretons are a little better in the healing role than Altmer are, but the difference in marginal. Altmer week be the better damage dealer if you intend to do any group DPS.

All in all, Altmer is likely to be the better choice as it will have a slightly easier time with solo and group DPS content while Bretons only have the healing advantage for group content.

pjwb16_ESO

Ironicles wrote: »

Interesting thanks guys! pjwb... what do you mean by the more CP you have? Imperials the way to go in your opinion?

Yes that or Dark Elf, The more Champion Points you get the more smaller boni like magicka reg / cost reduction etc you will become, but there are no + Max stats in the CP System, but imperial and dark elf do offer those, so its clearly the best choice and yes i would pick imperial

UrQuan

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ironicles wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Mind stating why? I'm new, thanks!

You get free damage passives as a high elf and combat regen. Breton doesn't have any damage passives only reduced spell cost, sounds good but trust me it soon becomes useless

Anyone who thinks combat regeneration is useful but reduced cost is useless is not someone who you should take advice from.

An argument could definitely be made that a altmer would be a better choice for a sorcerer or dragonknight magicka DPS than a breton would be, but for a templar there are almost no synergies with the altmer damage passives.

Mr_Nobody

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

pjwb16_ESO

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

made my day, sexiness was the reason why my sorc is a breton :P

Nifty2g

UrQuan wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ironicles wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Mind stating why? I'm new, thanks!

You get free damage passives as a high elf and combat regen. Breton doesn't have any damage passives only reduced spell cost, sounds good but trust me it soon becomes useless

Anyone who thinks combat regeneration is useful but reduced cost is useless is not someone who you should take advice from.

An argument could definitely be made that a altmer would be a better choice for a sorcerer or dragonknight magicka DPS than a breton would be, but for a templar there are almost no synergies with the altmer damage passives.

Altmer is the best for all casters...

Ironicles

Anyone else care to comment on pwjb's thughts on Imperials or Dark Elves? Thanks!

Nifty2g

UrQuan wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ironicles wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Mind stating why? I'm new, thanks!

You get free damage passives as a high elf and combat regen. Breton doesn't have any damage passives only reduced spell cost, sounds good but trust me it soon becomes useless

Anyone who thinks combat regeneration is useful but reduced cost is useless is not someone who you should take advice from.

An argument could definitely be made that a altmer would be a better choice for a sorcerer or dragonknight magicka DPS than a breton would be, but for a templar there are almost no synergies with the altmer damage passives.

and plus you get more damage from altmers anyway, you heavy attack with a staff right? thats considered elemental damage. bretons just offer no damage support while altmer does.

Ironicles

Imperials not as great I assume right?

demendred

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Utter crap.

Ironicles

demendred wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

high elf, breton is useless.
please dont listen to others who say otherwise.

Utter crap.

I assume you mean his statement, but just checking to see if you meant Bretons are.

I saw on Deltia's Healing guide he played as an Imperial. Seemed like an odd choice but worked?

karmamule

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

made my day, sexiness was the reason why my sorc is a breton :P

Same here. Who cares if they're a bit less effective at high levels (which is debatable).

Just don't pick that (male) Breton voice option whose combat shrieks sound like Katharine Hepburn getting beat with a hammer whenever he takes a hard hit.

Ironicles

karmamule wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

made my day, sexiness was the reason why my sorc is a breton :P

Same here. Who cares if they're a bit less effective at high levels (which is debatable).

Just don't pick that (male) Breton voice option whose combat shrieks sound like Katharine Hepburn getting beat with a hammer whenever he takes a hard hit.

Think Bretons are less effective at higher levels? Which ones would be better in your opinion then? HE? Imperial?

Roselle

karmamule wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

made my day, sexiness was the reason why my sorc is a breton :P

Same here. Who cares if they're a bit less effective at high levels (which is debatable).

Just don't pick that (male) Breton voice option whose combat shrieks sound like Katharine Hepburn getting beat with a hammer whenever he takes a hard hit.

That's an offensive analogy, I'm reporting you!!

GilGalad

It really depends on what you are planning to do. For healing imperial and dark elf don't make much sense, also for magicka DPS. For stamina DPS redguard or imperial would be the best choice.

I play my Templar as a heal/tank hybrid in light armor. For magicka DPS the Templar isn't the best choice - you will always be behind the other classes. But with the flash heal, blazing shield, spear shards, rune focus, repentance, ... you can fill out two roles better than all other classes. since all your abilities deal Magic dmg altmer would only boost your destruction staff attacks (rests is Magic dmg), I would take the extra spellres from Bretons. My light armor Breton tank/heal has 30k spellres buffed with 2 nirn pieces.

If you really want to go for dmg you should make a stamina Templar or a Dunmer (magicka) DK. If you want to to epic *** like running DSA with you tanking and healing and 3 full DPS then go Breton Templar and kick ass.

Ironicles

Gil.Galad wrote: »

It really depends on what you are planning to do. For healing imperial and dark elf don't make much sense, also for magicka DPS. For stamina DPS redguard or imperial would be the best choice.

I play my Templar as a heal/tank hybrid in light armor. For magicka DPS the Templar isn't the best choice - you will always be behind the other classes. But with the flash heal, blazing shield, spear shards, rune focus, repentance, ... you can fill out two roles better than all other classes. since all your abilities deal Magic dmg altmer would only boost your destruction staff attacks (rests is Magic dmg), I would take the extra spellres from Bretons. My light armor Breton tank/heal has 30k spellres buffed with 2 nirn pieces.

If you really want to go for dmg you should make a stamina Templar or a Dunmer (magicka) DK. If you want to to epic *** like running DSA with you tanking and healing and 3 full DPS then go Breton Templar and kick ass.

Very interesting response thanks!

1. So HE damage bonus doesnt really affect Templars main sources of damage?
2. Are you able to tank AND heal effectively as a Breton Templar?

ebls_BR

I think Bretons, Altmers, Dunmers and Imperials (seems the safest choice in PVP right now) are all good choices now for Templars. I have 2 Bretons Templars, and 1 Dunmer, all VR14, and I discovered, with most groups, my Dunmer Templar is much better than my Bretons. Why? I'm gonna repeat what I've said in other thread.

Templars healers need to block and tank sometimes (last boss in VDSA, some pledges we just go with 3 dps and me tanking and healing, etc.), and the 6% stamina helps a lot with my Dunmer in so may ways. Also help roll dodge (Manticora, archers in VDSA, etc.) and PVP (even with magicka builds, you need an enough amount of stamina there).

Second, templars healers use a magicka build and when you seek a better time in a weekly or just help your team, you need to do dps as much as heal. Again, my templar dunmer exceeds my bretan templars. First, in magicka builds, the better way to help in dps is with a Inferno staff (your AoE will be Impulse, you need to aply Elemental Drain, Crushing Shock to interrupt and make range dps, etc.) and Dunmers have 7% more damage. Second, Vampire Bane is the best DoT for magicka dps templars, and it's a flame damage based skill.

So, IMO, Breton (best pure healers), Altmer (healers and dps), Dunmer (balanced as healer, dps and tank) or Imperial (best healer-tank and for pvp) are all good choices.

eliisra

Nifty2g wrote: »

Altmer is the best for all casters...

For what? PvE dps?

In PvP I prefer Dunmer for both templar and DK caster. You need a chunk of extra stamina as a magicka user in Cyrodiil, when you lack Bolt Escape, mobility and 13-15k dmg class shield. Getting one extra dodge or cc-break in will save your life a lot more than magicka recovery or cost reduction. The fire resists doesn't hurt either, since you're pretty much forced to go Mist Form spam or die in 2 seconds, if you wear light armor.

But agreed that Altmer currently outshines Breton in PvE. Magicka recovery > 3% cost reduction. Also there's really no spot for pure healers in PvE, everyone needs to dps and that's where Altmer comes in handy.

Breton is way better looking though. That's a pretty big deal. We will be able choose/change our racial passives in the future, it seems. Many racials will be changed to. So might as well go for endgame looks over endgame dps

Ironicles

ebls_BR wrote: »

I think Bretons, Altmers, Dunmers and Imperials (seems the safest choice in PVP right now) are all good choices now for Templars. I have 2 Bretons Templars, and 1 Dunmer, all VR14, and I discovered, with most groups, my Dunmer Templar is much better than my Bretons. Why? I'm gonna repeat what I've said in other thread.

Templars healers need to block and tank sometimes (last boss in VDSA, some pledges we just go with 3 dps and me tanking and healing, etc.), and the 6% stamina helps a lot with my Dunmer in so may ways. Also help roll dodge (Manticora, archers in VDSA, etc.) and PVP (even with magicka builds, you need an enough amount of stamina there).

Second, templars healers use a magicka build and when you seek a better time in a weekly or just help your team, you need to do dps as much as heal. Again, my templar dunmer exceeds my bretan templars. First, in magicka builds, the better way to help in dps is with a Inferno staff (your AoE will be Impulse, you need to aply Elemental Drain, Crushing Shock to interrupt and make range dps, etc.) and Dunmers have 7% more damage. Second, Vampire Bane is the best DoT for magicka dps templars, and it's a flame damage based skill.

So, IMO, Breton (best pure healers), Altmer (healers and dps), Dunmer (balanced as healer, dps and tank) or Imperial (best healer-tank and for pvp) are all good choices.

Thanks for the great insight! Mind me asking why Imperial is the safest for PVP you say? With Imperial I'd be able to switch/respec to Stamina if I ever wanted, but I just hear from others that I wouldn't be as good of a healer. I was hoping this thread would help me narrow down my choices but there is so much insight into how each class can be good, it is tough to decide!

If I went Dunmer or Imperial like you are saying, would my Magicka not be that great?

Lastly, you mention Vampire. is that a good option to go as a Templar? I know they don't have many escapes without it.

PBpsy

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Bretons are sexy, they also fit the lore for Templars!

If one looks for sexiness the only choice is Dunmer.

Ironicles

eliisra wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Altmer is the best for all casters...

For what? PvE dps?

In PvP I prefer Dunmer for both templar and DK caster. You need a chunk of extra stamina as a magicka user in Cyrodiil, when you lack Bolt Escape, mobility and 13-15k dmg class shield. Getting one extra dodge or cc-break in will save your life a lot more than magicka recovery or cost reduction. The fire resists doesn't hurt either, since you're pretty much forced to go Mist Form spam or die in 2 seconds, if you wear light armor.

But agreed that Altmer currently outshines Breton in PvE. Magicka recovery > 3% cost reduction. Also there's really no spot for pure healers in PvE, everyone needs to dps and that's where Altmer comes in handy.

Breton is way better looking though. That's a pretty big deal. We will be able choose/change our racial passives in the future, it seems. Many racials will be changed to. So might as well go for endgame looks over endgame dps

Thanks, where did you hear about being able to change our racials in future?

Would being a Dunmer than over an Imperial be better in your opinion?

The_Sadist

Breton or Altmer depending on your playstyle. Imperials are more for tanking / Stamina builds, which isn't as ideal for a Magicka spec. Even a Dunmer is a potential candidate, granted I personally wouldn't pick it.