Almost 4 months and not a single update?

Malpherian

So... Almost 4 months and not a single update, the game went F2P as I predicted, And then also ceased to receive updates (Beyond a console port). So.. what happened to all the promises you made SOE? Where is spellcrafting, and all of that other cool stuff you said was coming?

From what I can tell it seems like you all just abandoned the game after it went F2P.

Sallington

Malpherian wrote: »

So... Almost 4 months and not a single update, the game went F2P as I predicted, And then also ceased to receive updates (Beyond a console port). So.. what happened to all the promises you made SOE? Where is spellcrafting, and all of that other cool stuff you said was coming?

From what I can tell it seems like you all just abandoned the game after it went F2P.

Abandoned? Hardly!

Haven't you seen the cool new mounts in the cash store!?!?!

Malpherian

In case you're wondering, yes I put SOE on purpose. Because this companies approach tword games is a mirror Image of that *** company.

rynth

first all its called B2P not F2p so you didn't predict that and as has been stated many times by Zos and people on the forums about these posts nothing until after Console startup which means probably around first of July or August since Console startup can take a bit of time. But, I guess your prediction abilities weren't working then also.

Malpherian

Sallington wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

So... Almost 4 months and not a single update, the game went F2P as I predicted, And then also ceased to receive updates (Beyond a console port). So.. what happened to all the promises you made SOE? Where is spellcrafting, and all of that other cool stuff you said was coming?

From what I can tell it seems like you all just abandoned the game after it went F2P.

Abandoned? Hardly!

Haven't you seen the cool new mounts in the cash store!?!?!

Not since... March I think it was.

The_Sadist

Everyone predicted the game will go B2P, well, like 80% of the player base, so there's that. The console port has been the 'main' focus for ages now and they stated that afterwards they will be focusing on content (or something), but who knows when that be. All in all it's just a waiting game. They've lost quite a few players but eh, as they say..

Lord Xanhorn

Just think of it like this. You contracted a company to build a house for you and as soon as they got the shell complete, they packed everyone and everything up to go start building a house in China. Those Chinese investors say they are going to pay a lot of money but in the end everyone knows they are building a ghost town in west China. Eventually the builder will come back to finish your house or they won't.....will you still be living in the shell when they come back? That's the only thing in your control.

doggie

It's not good to go months without new content, but there's not many companies who port their game to xbox and ps4 either.

There are 3 zones coming up, if they manage to release them all within 12 months from today it's not that shabby, but I doubt they will be able to continue releasing content at that rate after those 3 zones.

I personally think it will take 24 months to release those 3 zones and then it will slow down dramaticly, maybe one new zone 24 months after that.

Malpherian

rynth wrote: »

first all its called B2P not F2p so you didn't predict that and as has been stated many times by Zos and people on the forums about these posts nothing until after Console startup which means probably around first of July or August since Console startup can take a bit of time. But, I guess your prediction abilities weren't working then also.

B2P is an F2P model. Any game which requires one Purchase, or has Micro transaction with no purchase, or Is "Free to play" every month without needing to pay a Subscription, is Free to Play, by definition.

So my prediction abilities are just fine. Also ZOE never actually stated "When" they would start working on things, they used words like "Probably" and Maybe" and It might be", and Were not sure.

Link me a statement where ZOE states "For a Fact and Definitively" that work on other features "WILL" begin in July.

You can't, but what you can link me is something ZOE saying that most likely features and updates and content won't be added until after console release and fixes etc, which means it could be years depending on how they define that statement, or maybe not at all.

nimander99

After Console(TM) is now Soon(TM)

cmorning

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Raash

hmm well IF spellcrafting will come around im sure it will be like this grail thing....

https://youtu.be/ZO4rofSoHVk?t=478




...a big Meh.

((Just skip to 7:58, cant get the video to start where i want =/ ))

nastuug

Warraxx

doggie

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

It's different companies who release the games, and as far as I know the offices are one hour appart, Hunt Valley and Rockville, so might not be that easy to just switch even if there are unused people in one office. Some might just look for another job in the city.

My guess is Zenimax moves people over to another online game instead.

idk

7 months since meaningful content.

MisterJimothy

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Well considering ZOS has absolutely nothing to do with Fallout 4 or any of the single-player TES games, I think we're good there....

Savetti

Malpherian wrote: »

B2P is an F2P model. Any game which requires one Purchase, or has Micro transaction with no purchase, or Is "Free to play" every month without needing to pay a Subscription, is Free to Play, by definition.

Just curious, but how do you consider paying $60 to play the game, FTP? I am really not trying to troll you or be rude, I am sincerely asking this question in hope for a legitimate answer.

Sure, it has many aspects of FTP like the crown store, but you still have to purchase (BTP) the game to play it. Other FTP games you can just download and start playing. Then you make in game purchases to unlock new content or extra crap.

Savetti

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

SirEwan

The lack of new Endgame content for 8 Months is a bit ridiculous.

doggie

Savetti wrote: »

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

But what he's basicly saying is that during final months of development they might need programmers/artists to wrap it up to reach the deadline, where do you get experienced people in that area? As far as I know the Bethesda is almost in the middle of nowhere. So maybe not that many to recruit from. But Zenimax Online office is 1h away, so not that easy to recruit there either, what if the employe live 1h further east, should they have 4h roundtrip every day to get to work?

MisterJimothy

Savetti wrote: »

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

To expand, there are actually two companies by the name of Bethesda. Bethesda Game Studios is a developer that made Fallout 3, 4, (not New Vegas, that was Obsidian), and TES 3-5 (maybe 2? don't remember), among other things.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher. Totally different company (under the parent company Zenimax Media, which really just exists to own the other companies). They have published all the above, as well as publish works from outside and from the half dozen or so studios under the Zenimax Media umbrella

Sallington

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Savetti wrote: »

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

To expand, there are actually two companies by the name of Bethesda. Bethesda Game Studios is a developer that made Fallout 3, 4, (not New Vegas, that was Obsidian), and TES 3-5 (maybe 2? don't remember), among other things.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher. Totally different company (under the parent company Zenimax Media, which really just exists to own the other companies). They have published all the above, as well as publish works from outside and from the half dozen or so studios under the Zenimax Media umbrella

No wonder people get confused.

MisterJimothy

Sallington wrote: »

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Savetti wrote: »

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

To expand, there are actually two companies by the name of Bethesda. Bethesda Game Studios is a developer that made Fallout 3, 4, (not New Vegas, that was Obsidian), and TES 3-5 (maybe 2? don't remember), among other things.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher. Totally different company (under the parent company Zenimax Media, which really just exists to own the other companies). They have published all the above, as well as publish works from outside and from the half dozen or so studios under the Zenimax Media umbrella

No wonder people get confused.

HOLY CRAP YES. Thank you for that picture. One of my all time favorites. And is EXACTLY the issue.

Lol. Thank you.

Elsonso

Malpherian wrote: »

B2P is an F2P model. Any game which requires one Purchase, or has Micro transaction with no purchase, or Is "Free to play" every month without needing to pay a Subscription, is Free to Play, by definition.

Sadly, that is not the definition of F2P.

Since you must pay before you can access the game, a B2P model more closely resembles a PAY TO PLAY model than it does a FREE TO PLAY model. This model most closely resembles what is used for single player games, like Skyrim.

Many people forget that, even though ESO is an MMO, it comes from a company that is very familiar with selling games for the cost of the box and DLC. Almost all of the games released by Bethesda Softworks involve a single payment for the game, and subsequent paid DLC, but the player receives patches for free and can play the full game for as long as they want with no additional purchase. Even if the players and community feel that switching from subscriptions is a "fail" on the part of ESO, the ZeniMax companies have been successfully pulling in cash for decades thanks to Buy to Play.

How does this apply to ESO? By their own admission, which could have been a slip of the moment, they have already revealed that the console version of ESO has "millions of active players" in the game right now. That puts sales in the 10's to 100's of millions of US dollars just for pre-order and first week sales.

Malpherian wrote: »

From what I can tell it seems like you all just abandoned the game after it went F2P.

I think it is a fair bet that there will be content for ESO coming. This game is no where near dead.

Pecivilis

cmorning wrote: »

...f concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

First let me say that Bethesda though related to Zenimax Online Studios by way of their Parent company are technically two different companies. ZoS has the sole focus of TESO..that's it Bethesda still have the focus on all of the other game endeavors. So, no...as far as I see ZoS will not lose resources to the other projects.

Second, and the main point of the tread.

The reason there hasn't been a major update in months is a touchy subject..mainly because I honestly believe the game should never of been considered for Consoles, because as far as I am concerned MMOs are and always have been a PC world...however that being said after 1.6/2.0 they put all major updates on hold to assure a timely console release.

It's logical, especially if you have watched any of the live Dev chats and interviews....look at one of the major causes of the Imperial City being delayed (prior to the Content hold), the spoke about how at one point it was nearly ready, then with all of the changes mechanic wise that was coming with 1.6 and the champion system they had to go back in and change a whole bunch of code to make sure it would flow with the new updates. Fair enough, as a Programmer myself I fully understand this.

So...now you come to the point where the Devs are trying to get the code and everything ready for console. That involves a lot more than you may think, it's not just a simple copy it over to another server. Lines and lines of base code have to be gone through and adjusted to work on other platforms, ranging from game play mechanics to content.

If they had kept pushing out new things to PC the Devs would of had to double back and do the same thing over again for Console...rinse and repeat. Thus delaying the console release over and over again.

Now with the release behind them, they can give it a short period of time fix the log in issues and other minor stability issues and then focus solely on pushing new Content. I predict we will finally start seeing it again around Mid-August or September.

A gross mount of time in total for PC players to wait (5-6 months)...however it's the way things went.

nastuug

Warraxx wrote: »

Faulgor

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Savetti wrote: »

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

To expand, there are actually two companies by the name of Bethesda. Bethesda Game Studios is a developer that made Fallout 3, 4, (not New Vegas, that was Obsidian), and TES 3-5 (maybe 2? don't remember), among other things.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher. Totally different company (under the parent company Zenimax Media, which really just exists to own the other companies). They have published all the above, as well as publish works from outside and from the half dozen or so studios under the Zenimax Media umbrella

Well, technically, Bethesda Game Studios did not exist until the release of Morrowind. To make matters even more confusing, the studio was called Bethesda Softworks prior to that. So while TES 1 and 2 (and 3, for the most part) were developed by Bethesda Softworks, it was the same development team that would later become known as Bethesda Game Studios.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Game_Studios

nastuug

Faulgor wrote: »

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Savetti wrote: »

cmorning wrote: »

I hear alot of talk about updates coming and these new zones they are creating. The only thing that is of concern is the fact that alot of resources are going to be invested in Fallout 4 and next year you possibly have the next elder srolls game coming March 2016. So I think the question is, will they be able to maintain and updated all these big name games at one time.

Not trying to ruffle any feathers but it's a good question...

Bethesda works on the single player games while ZOS solely works on ESO. So, fallout and other development will not hold back ESO development. Two different teams.

To expand, there are actually two companies by the name of Bethesda. Bethesda Game Studios is a developer that made Fallout 3, 4, (not New Vegas, that was Obsidian), and TES 3-5 (maybe 2? don't remember), among other things.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher. Totally different company (under the parent company Zenimax Media, which really just exists to own the other companies). They have published all the above, as well as publish works from outside and from the half dozen or so studios under the Zenimax Media umbrella

Well, technically, Bethesda Game Studios did not exist until the release of Morrowind. To make matters even more confusing, the studio was called Bethesda Softworks prior to that. So while TES 1 and 2 (and 3, for the most part) were developed by Bethesda Softworks, it was the same development team that would later become known as Bethesda Game Studios.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Game_Studios

He was still right though.

Darlgon

We got senche mounts.. thats new content..

All good here...Move along.

Rylana

Malpherian wrote: »

So... Almost 4 months and not a single update, the game went F2P as I predicted, And then also ceased to receive updates (Beyond a console port). So.. what happened to all the promises you made SOE? Where is spellcrafting, and all of that other cool stuff you said was coming?

From what I can tell it seems like you all just abandoned the game after it went F2P.

lel

it wouldnt be so funny if i legitimately believed that wasnt intentionally typed that way