Is Group Finder broken for Xbox One?

doggie

Sallington wrote: »

Soon the console crowd will know the pain of infrequent fixes and updates, and "fixes" that just break other things. Soon we will all be brothers.

The reason why the patch is not live yet is that Sony and microsoft tests it independently. So maybe that will increase stability. I also wonder if there's any penalties if they don't get a patch approved, or if it's just their pride. I'm guessing they do put in some extra effort when there is a team of profesionals who look them in the cards.

Zhoyzu

HOLD THE PHONE

Youre telling me group finder still doesnt work? I thought they fixed that ages ago and just no one used it because it was broken for 5 months and adapted to chat spam.

ZoS spent 8 months overhauling a UI for consoles and couldnt get it right. Thats impressive tbh.

nastuug

Sallington wrote: »

YoJayWatsUrName wrote: »

doggie wrote: »

It's intresting. Players have been telling them that it's going to be a disaster if they don't fix the group tool for console when they can't text chat. They didn't fix it, and have almost never mentioned it.

However yesterday on the reddit Q&A thing they said they're working on fixing it for the consol.

We have some fixes going in with the next console patch which should help mitigate the issues you are seeing, and we are continuing to look at ways to improve the experience and functionality of the group finder.

Src: reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team/cs3c145

WE ARE SAVED!!!...................................................hopefully

Soon the console crowd will know the pain of infrequent fixes and updates, and "fixes" that just break other things. Soon we will all be brothers.

@Sallington

Sausage

It only works for your own faction dungeons, its odd why all faction dungeons are selectable.

Peekachu99

Sausage wrote: »

It only works for your own faction dungeons, its odd why all faction dungeons are selectable.

It should work for any of them. The problem is that it doesn't work at all. On PC the only way to reliably form a group was to shout for it in a populated area (via chat). Now, you either literally shout (through your mic) or... Well, that's it really. Game is about to be skewered when the reviews come on next week. Eurogamer already gave it a rather tepid preview and specifically mentioned how things that ought to have been fixed by now, have not been fixed. I see a lot of returns on physical copies and less raging as people just leave for something better. We always see rage on the forums, but for every vocal critic, there's like 10 people who just quietly abandon ship.

I know for a fact that when Heavensward launches next week, the game will be dead as dirt on PS4. Heck, even Neverwinter is a better option for Xbros. At least that game works. And when they ported it to console it had every feature of the PC version.

YoJayWatsUrName

it doesnt even work for our own faction dungeons, ive qued for those as well and nothing

Exstazik

YoJayWatsUrName wrote: »

it doesnt even work for our own faction dungeons, ive qued for those as well and nothing

it's now worked for PC already half year.So ofc it's not working on console.PC can use chat....and console...well this one can help

nimander99

Oh no! I thought it was working but if its broken this could completely destroy the console base! The LFG tool HAS to work for consoles to be successful! I hope it's just a glitch or something that will get fixed asap!

YoJayWatsUrName

nimander99 wrote: »

Oh no! I thought it was working but if its broken this could completely destroy the console base! The LFG tool HAS to work for consoles to be successful! I hope it's just a glitch or something that will get fixed asap!

^^

Lyth

I have uses the group finder system and it worksed once...

Mauby people arnt using it much idk

Hope it will get better soon

Currently playing on x1

pecheckler

it's because there are no healers
queue as healer and you'll be in a group instantly
for me: 5-10min as tank, 1 minute as healer, not waiting more than the 30 I tried as damage dealer.
Two characters i've used levels 11 through 24 over the last two days i've done 9 dungeons using group finder
PS4-NA-Aldmeri

Yattaq

(PS4) On my level 10-20 characters on I get dungeon groups within 5 minutes. On my vet characters I've let it sit for hours. Not only do the underlying issues with it need to be addressed, but there really should be some incentive for using it to motivate people.

MissBizz

Peekachu99 wrote: »

They didn't actually fix any of the issues for the console release. They just changed the UI. All of the backend problems still exist. I haven't been able to que for a single dungeon with either my VR 14 toons or my level 30ish ones. Not a single dungeon. I have gear for all the roles on my main, too, and I've even clicked "any dungeon" and sat there for 2 hours to see if anything happens. It doesn't.

Brilliant move to force everyone to use Group Finder and to leave if just as broken as before.

P.S. This is on PS4 btw.

@Peekachu99 to be fair, the only vets right now are from PC.. And probably aren't using the group finder

pecheckler

Yattaq wrote: »

(PS4) On my level 10-20 characters on I get dungeon groups within 5 minutes. On my vet characters I've let it sit for hours. Not only do the underlying issues with it need to be addressed, but there really should be some incentive for using it to motivate people.

Why? There's no reason to provide incentive because it's the only way to get into a group for a dungeon. The incentive is the experience points, loot, undaunted experience, skill point, quest completion, etc...

This is not the PC where the playerbase was forced into using an archaic grouping method retired from MMO games over 10 years ago (zone chat) because Zenimax totally ignored that their patch broke the group finder. If incentive was needed then it was on PC. I say was because the damage is already done.

SURxR3AL

yeah since launch of the console version group finder hasnt worked once for me i was in que for a group for 2 hours and i forgot i was even qued, finally rememebered and looked and still nothing, friend of my in my guild said its working great for him so i guess its just a luck of the straw on whos IP gets to use it

Yattaq

pecheckler wrote: »

Yattaq wrote: »

(PS4) On my level 10-20 characters on I get dungeon groups within 5 minutes. On my vet characters I've let it sit for hours. Not only do the underlying issues with it need to be addressed, but there really should be some incentive for using it to motivate people.

Why? There's no reason to provide incentive because it's the only way to get into a group for a dungeon. The incentive is the experience points, loot, undaunted experience, skill point, quest completion, etc...

This is not the PC where the playerbase was forced into using an archaic grouping method retired from MMO games over 10 years ago (zone chat) because Zenimax totally ignored that their patch broke the group finder. If incentive was needed then it was on PC. I say was because the damage is already done.

Having an incentive would influence player behavior and help undo some of the damage. I was speaking more to trying to fix the PC side of things, since my experience with console has been fine. The incentive would help the console LFG too, because it would give a reason for that giant chunk of the population that isn't high enough for undaunted dailies to clear a dungeon more than once if they want to.

NewBlacksmurf

Before ppl jump on the PC bandwagon...are people using it?

I have not been grouped using the tool but considering I've been grouped using Xbox activity feed and party (outside of the game) it may be that it has bugs or it may be that ppl aren't using it.

Let's wait for an official reply before jumping to conclusions.

Peekachu99

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Before ppl jump on the PC bandwagon...are people using it?

I have not been grouped using the tool but considering I've been grouped using Xbox activity feed and party (outside of the game) it may be that it has bugs or it may be that ppl aren't using it.

Let's wait for an official reply before jumping to conclusions.

Why wouldn't people use it? There is literally no other option, aside from the external ones you mentioned that no normal user would ever consider. It's amazing the hoops you jump through to defend what is clearly--and reported by nearly everyone--to be broken. Do you think that ZoS, the masters of radio silence, would ever actually admit that there was something inherently wrong with one of thier most fundamental tools? (LFG) They haven't ever admitted that the PC tool is broken. It surely is. The game has been out for many days now, there are no "conclusions", only reports of what is actually happening. What's hilarious is that ZoS could have seen the impact of these bugs and better reacted to them with an actual stress testing, large scale beta. Or two, or three. You know, like every MMORPG usually gets.

The only thing that changed from PC > Console was the UI. All the bugs and inherent deficiencies with the code were ported, too. That much should be clear to anyone with 1/2 an ounce of sense. Add to those issues, the fact that in game voice chat has been DOWN or giving people errors half the time and you might be able to understand the frustration many people are experiencing with the game. I'm willing to bet you just stick your fingers in your ears.

NewBlacksmurf

Peekachu99 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Before ppl jump on the PC bandwagon...are people using it?

I have not been grouped using the tool but considering I've been grouped using Xbox activity feed and party (outside of the game) it may be that it has bugs or it may be that ppl aren't using it.

Let's wait for an official reply before jumping to conclusions.

Why wouldn't people use it? There is literally no other option, aside from the external ones you mentioned that no normal user would ever consider. It's amazing the hoops you jump through to defend what is clearly--and reported by nearly everyone--to be broken. Do you think that ZoS, the masters of radio silence, would ever actually admit that there was something inherently wrong with one of thier most fundamental tools? (LFG) They haven't ever admitted that the PC tool is broken. It surely is. The game has been out for many days now, there are no "conclusions", only reports of what is actually happening. What's hilarious is that ZoS could have seen the impact of these bugs and better reacted to them with an actual stress testing, large scale beta. Or two, or three. You know, like every MMORPG usually gets.

The only thing that changed from PC > Console was the UI. All the bugs and inherent deficiencies with the code were ported, too. That much should be clear to anyone with 1/2 an ounce of sense. Add to those issues, the fact that in game voice chat has been DOWN or giving people errors half the time and you might be able to understand the frustration many people are experiencing with the game. I'm willing to bet you just stick your fingers in your ears.

The other options are far more used. Many games don't have group finders so ppl find new friends on the forums to play games and when ppl pop up online they party n play.

Since release I've spent less than 5 hours not in party chat- playing with new friends. Either I get and invite or a msg on Xbox to join. It's kinda cool but just ask around.

Ppl new to the game are like....OH
Never knew that feature was hiding in there.
It needs to be on the front menu vs hidden in the social menus under group and then under another menu in group

Considering other than dungeons, you literally don't need a group with this population at pre-level 50
I don't think it's entirely broken but maybe it is.
I do feel a large population isn't even using the grouping tools just from talking to a hand full of new friends who said "this game would be better if it grouped people"

I then showed them the tool. They said, "man that's hidden and complicated, just msg me and you and my buds can group up if your online"

It needs work either way. Regardless if it works or not, there is no incentive to use it. The incentive to play in groups of 4 need to drastically outweigh solo play for all situations.
And the menu is too hidden

Peekachu99

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Before ppl jump on the PC bandwagon...are people using it?

I have not been grouped using the tool but considering I've been grouped using Xbox activity feed and party (outside of the game) it may be that it has bugs or it may be that ppl aren't using it.

Let's wait for an official reply before jumping to conclusions.

Why wouldn't people use it? There is literally no other option, aside from the external ones you mentioned that no normal user would ever consider. It's amazing the hoops you jump through to defend what is clearly--and reported by nearly everyone--to be broken. Do you think that ZoS, the masters of radio silence, would ever actually admit that there was something inherently wrong with one of thier most fundamental tools? (LFG) They haven't ever admitted that the PC tool is broken. It surely is. The game has been out for many days now, there are no "conclusions", only reports of what is actually happening. What's hilarious is that ZoS could have seen the impact of these bugs and better reacted to them with an actual stress testing, large scale beta. Or two, or three. You know, like every MMORPG usually gets.

The only thing that changed from PC > Console was the UI. All the bugs and inherent deficiencies with the code were ported, too. That much should be clear to anyone with 1/2 an ounce of sense. Add to those issues, the fact that in game voice chat has been DOWN or giving people errors half the time and you might be able to understand the frustration many people are experiencing with the game. I'm willing to bet you just stick your fingers in your ears.

The other options are far more used. Many games don't have group finders so ppl find new friends on the forums to play games and when ppl pop up online they party n play.

Since release I've spent less than 5 hours not in party chat- playing with new friends. Either I get and invite or a msg on Xbox to join. It's kinda cool but just ask around.

Ppl new to the game are like....OH
Never knew that feature was hiding in there.
It needs to be on the front menu vs hidden in the social menus under group and then under another menu in group

Considering other than dungeons, you literally don't need a group with this population at pre-level 50
I don't think it's entirely broken but maybe it is.
I do feel a large population isn't even using the grouping tools just from talking to a hand full of new friends who said "this game would be better if it grouped people"

I then showed them the tool. They said, "man that's hidden and complicated, just msg me and you and my buds can group up if your online"

It needs work either way. Regardless if it works or not, there is no incentive to use it. The incentive to play in groups of 4 need to drastically outweigh solo play for all situations.
And the menu is too hidden

So we sort of agree here. What I think you always fail to realize though, is that you work for Xbox support, and as such are HEAVILY invested and educated on the Live ecosystem. Most people are not. And you should not expect them to be (even though I'm sure it's something that you and your company strive for). Personally, I use consoles to get away from the complexities of PC gaming, voice chat (which is kinda mandatory in PC MMORPG raids) and such. I know that I'm not alone in that way of thinking. A lot of console gamers are far more casual than me, too. My brother in law for example, has both a PS4 and a 360 and he has literally never bought anything off each respective network or played an online game before. The thought just never occurred to him. He's still tech savvy. Works for Google, actually, but his preference for online behaviour is another matter entirely.

Edit: Nearly every console MMORPG that comes to mind has a fully functional group finder. So idk what you mean with that part of your comment. Even multiplayer action games like Diablo 3 have near instant grouping built into the game. Please stop acting as if the precedent for grouping tools doesn't exist, when in reality it does on console or PC.

JediRift

No different than on PS4. Waited a total of about six hours as a dps over the last few days and have never been dropped into an instance.

Jando

LFG has been absolute crap since launch. It's horrible on PC and horrible on consoles. I have no idea why ZoS doesnt fix it. Finding groups is one of the most important things in an MMO..and they have ignored it.

I've had a topic about this forever:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/133438/group-tool-suggestion#latest

It's so frustrating that they have not addressed this in any serious way.

jimmyjelopi

Is this still broken? I have been trying to group up for VR Dungeons using group finder as my guild and mates are yet to catch up... No luck using Group Finder at all. Takes usually 2-3 hours to turn up no results. On another note, anyone in EP looking to do any VR dungeons my gamertag is Fran63r. Hit me up

ContraTempo

On PC I've never successfully used the grouping tools to build a group. Always just gave up and started asking around. I'm not sure if that broken tools or (socially) broken players. I mean, we are gamers, ya know. ;-)

DrunknAssassin7

Well this post is months after all these other posts and I haven't been able to find a group in almost a week..and I'll be qued for hours upon hours each day...

deathbykarma

If it was working for you yesterday you got lucky, its been broken since day 1 on all platforms.

MazZzy

Man its still not working??? I returned this game because of that issue but was hoping to pick it up again thinking it would be fixed now. Guess not??? Could anyone update me. Thank you.

NewBlacksmurf

It works extremely well now
What are you seeing not work?

MazZzy

Oh no I havent played since June so glad to hear it's works!! Sweet, Going to pick up the game again.