The Deceitful Specifics of the Imperial Edition for PS4

Leon119

all the perks of IE are account bound by default, why were you expecting to get it shared ? ;/

TrueKore

Becuase it is standard for purchases in the Xbox Store, nothing else was stated in the description and it worked for every other game before. Some pretty good reasons.

Cherryblossom

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

TrueKore wrote: »

First of all to my situation: I preordered the digital Imperial Edition in Xbox Store and installed it to my console. My girlfriend also wanted to play the game.

And usually the Xbox system works the way that everyone can use your content on your home console. Once you play on another console you don't have access to this content anymore. That's how it works for every game in the store and as Microsoft describes the system on the Xbox website.

Bethesda decided to not keep with this system but only give the stuff to one account. That may not be the best decision for customers but I could have lived with it if they had told me before. I bought the game assuming that it works the same as for every other game in the store and we both would be able to use the Explorer's Pack and Imperial Edition stuff. But once we started the game only I got all the stuff. So I headed to the forums searching for a solution just to find out that there's none as it's intended by Bethesda.

So I'm not complaining THAT they are binding stuff to one account I'm just complaining that you didn't tell us before. There's no word about it in the description in Xbox Store. If you would have told us there I would be fine, but you didn't! How should I know that for ESO it's completly different to the usual Xbox One system? I'm sorry I don't own any crystal balls. I really feel betrayed by you Bethesda. Very undair to not write it in the description. That completly destroyed my once high trust in your company. I won't preorder Bethesda games ever again.

They shouldn't have to tell you that. It's common sense. Your complaint is moot.

I can only assume you don't own a console from your comment, otherwise you would understand what the OP is talking about.

To Educate you, when you own a console you can have your whole family having access and each family member can have their own account on the console. But the best thing is if you want to play a game, all the family members don't have to buy their own copy of the game they only need one copy, amazing ah...

So when you normally buy a game all the things in the game are bound to the console not the accounts on the console.

So in this case, which ever account happened to play the game first got all the benefits, so if mum who hardly ever plays had opened the game first to have a quick look to see if it's alright for little Billy to play, Billy would not get all the specials when he plays , I think this would make little Billy sad.

Merlin13KAGL

This is different from PC version in what way, again?

rawcomrade91

The easy solution? Share one Xbox Live account and you and your brother create different characters on the same account. Perks are account-wide.

TrueKore

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

This is different from PC version in what way, again?

I don't know and I don't care what it's like on PC. Bethesda made an Xbox One version and I bought this in the Xbox Store. So they shoud to stick to the standard there or at least INFORM us in the description that it's different.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

Gidorick

So you're mad that two people can't use all the perks of one copy of a game?

The Imperial Edition Upgrade on the Xbox Store states " Enhance your adventures with The Imperial Edition Upgrade. The Imperial race is able to play in any alliance you choose. You'll be able to travel around Tamriel with your trusty Imperial White Horse. Your character will have immediate access to craft Imperial gear, or transform existing gear into the Imperial style. Adventuring can be lonely, good thing you'll have a companion to adventure with, an exclusive Mudcrab vanity pet. If the adorable Mudcrab isn't enough company, the Rings of Mara will allow you to complete the Ritual of Mara, where you and a friend will receive an experience bonus when playing together."

YOUR adventures, YOUR character.

What you're expecting is the mechanics of non-mmo games to be applied to an mmo, yet other non-mmo games don't work like this. In Call of Duty can you share your guns and perks with your brother. In GTA5 can you share your cars or your GTA online money with your brother? In what game can you share the perks of your SPECIFIC save/character with your brother?

As many have said, if you share your ESO account with your brother you will have a solved problem. ZOS has ALREADY removed the game-key requirement for Xbox so you and your brother can share the copy of ESO.

You being uninformed is, quite bluntly, your problem.

This is a really easy fix. Man up and buy a second copy or at least have your brother buy the upgrade for his account.

TrueKore

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

I'm not judging them. How should they know how a console store works if Bethesda even doesn't (or at least doesn't want)?

Gidorick

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

This is different from PC version in what way, again?

It's different because I can't give my copy of the PC version to my brother and have him use that to play on his own account.

driosketch

TheLegendOfAbe wrote: »

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4985/kw/Imperial Edition
Even on the same account, you will only receive the Imperial Edition items on one character ever. If you wish to have them on other characters, they must be transferred through the bank or such. I assume the Imperial Race will be available to all characters though as it is not an item.

What you're describing is not character bound since you could pass them along through the bank. Your pets and mount will be in the collections menu anyways, which is accessible to every character you make. Only the pledge, which is single use, will bind to one character who you use it on.

The additional stuff can also be bought in the crown store, so you shouldn't need to buy two games if you both want the perks.

Gidorick

TrueKore wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

I'm not judging them. How should they know how a console store works if Bethesda even doesn't (or at least doesn't want)?

I own a console... but I don't share my content with another player. If you're playing on the same console... use the same ESO account. If you're NOT playing on the same console, buy another copy.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

TrueKore wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

I'm not judging them. How should they know how a console store works if Bethesda even doesn't (or at least doesn't want)?

I own a console... but I don't share my content with another player. If you're playing on the same console... use the same ESO account. If you're NOT playing on the same console, buy another copy.

You dont understand what he is saying. There is no need to buy another copy on any game besides this one. Really on this one there is no need to buy another copy just need to buy the IE perks from the store. Which is different from all other xbox store games. Thats his point.

TrueKore

@Gidorick: Why should we use the same account? Everyone has his own account with own friends, own achievements, profiles, statistics and everything. Let's compare it with a house. The console is the house your living in and your account is you. You can live with several persons in one house (console) and use the same toilet, kitchen equipment, ... (games and DLCs) without buying them twice. But you still remain separate persons with own friends and lifes. Now guess you buy a new toilet for the house and install it. You would assume that it works for everyone living in your house wouldn't you? Now you go home install the toilet and use it. After an hour your wife want's to use it to. But it's locked. So you go to the toilet manufacturer and ask him why it's not working. He tells you: Sorry you have to buy a toilet for both of you. We better not guess how this would end. But if there would have been a sign on the toilet that it's for one person only (for whatever stupid reason) the situation would be different. The toilet would still work only for one person but you would have known it and possibly not have bought it. Can you follow now?

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO: Exactly. Is it that difficult for PC only users to understand how consoles are working?

Gidorick

TrueKore wrote: »

@Gidorick: Why should we use the same account? Everyone has his own account with own friends, own achievements, profiles, statistics and everything. Let's compare it with a house. The console is the house your living in and your account is you. You can live with several persons in one house (console) and use the same toilet, kitchen equipment, ... (games and DLCs) without buying them twice. But you still remain separate persons with own friends and lifes. Now guess you buy a new toilet for the house and install it. You would assume that it works for everyone living in your house wouldn't you? Now you go home install the toilet and use it. After an hour your wife want's to use it to. But it's locked. So you go to the toilet manufacturer and ask him why it's not working. He tells you: Sorry you have to buy a toilet for both of you. We better not guess how this would end. But if there would have been a sign on the toilet that it's for one person only (for whatever stupid reason) the situation would be different. The toilet would still work only for one person but you would have known it and possibly not have bought it. Can you follow now?

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO: Exactly. Is it that difficult for PC only users to understand how consoles are working?

With your analogy, what is being asked is that two people in same house be allowed to use the same clothes at the same time. Eat the EXACT same food. "I just ate this burger... why can't my brother eat this burger too!?!"

And... as you'll notice, there are no toilets in Tameriel (yes, we have had discussions about this).

You said:

TrueKore wrote: »

Everyone has his own account with own friends, own achievements, profiles, statistics and everything.

Part of that everything includes the different upgrade packs. Just have your brother buy the upgrade packs.

I am primarily a console player but I also completely understand the concept of "user accounts" that have specific benefits attached to them. I have played other games on console that have these exact types of benefits. DCUO, GTA5, Warframe, Dust, Personalization Packs in Advanced Warfare, this isn't a new concept or practice. It's not like ZOS is pulling a fast one. This is how account-specific perks are handled across many games on consoles.

You seem to think we are ignorant of how accounts and game-sharing works on consoles when it is you who lacks the understanding of individual account perks which is, again, not a new thing.

Blutengel

Your brother could just buy his own upgrade in the crown store but the perks are not THAT great imo. If you purchase it look at it as your supporting the game and all the great things that are yet to come.

BloodWolfe

TheLegendOfAbe wrote: »

Hey guys, me and my brother both pitched in the buy the Imperial Edition and, to our dismay, we found out that the specifics for how the perks are applied aren't really mentioned and kinda cheated us out. I looked around and I eventually found some more detailed information about the pack (sources included).

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/29758/kw/Imperial Edition
The Imperial Edition perks register and lock onto one account, not to the console. This means that if multiple players plan to play on the same system (siblings, roomates, etc.) then only the first one to redeem the key receives the perks. If the others wanted to also receive the perks, they woukd have to re-purchase the Imperial Edition on their own account in the ingame Crown Store.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28013/kw/Imperial Edition
If you apply the Imperial Edition perks to a player on one megaserver, you will not receive the perks if playing on a different megaserver.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4985/kw/Imperial Edition
Even on the same account, you will only receive the Imperial Edition items on one character ever. If you wish to have them on other characters, they must be transferred through the bank or such. I assume the Imperial Race will be available to all characters though as it is not an item.

I can see why they would want to implement such (cheap) methods in managing the Imperial Edition, otherwise people could make multiple accounts on the same system or multiple characters to trade off or sell the Imperial Edition items. However, this isn't the best way to deal with the issue and is actually quite unfair and deceitful considering that they never even mention this. A better method could possibly to make all Imperial Edition items untradeable and sellable for 0 gold.

The self-entitlement people have these days is absolutely RIDICULOUS! OP, get over yourself! You were NOT cheated! Why would they give 2 people the same thing for the price of one with the Imperial Edition content? I am surprised that they even allow the same disc to be used for multiple people which actually cheats themselves out of sales so for them to limit the Imperial Edition content to a one-time use code for 1 account is NOT you being cheated, it's you needing to get over your feeling self-entitlement.

GooglyEyedDog wrote: »

I put this link on another post but thought I would also leave it here. Seems like they are unable to make up there minds as nowhere does it state that this only applies to the basic and not the Imperial version of the game

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/05/15/elder-scrolls-online-on-consoles-will-not-require-a-cd-key-hooray

As a console gamer I am used to getting exactly the same game if I buy a disc or the digital version. Whatever I buy I expect it to be available on multiple accounts on the same console. Any perks that are available on special editions of games I have bought have always been available on multiple accounts. Having never played computer games and this was my first dip into MMOs how would I know what is customary in that area. Why would it be common sense to expect ESO Imperial version to behave in any way differently to all other console games.

It did not say that the Imperial version would be account restricted anywhere when I pre- ordered the game or i would have made my decision as to whether or not to buy on the basis of that information. Not having the gift of prescience it only when this actually happened that I started to search the Internet and forums that I found contrary information.

I fully accept that anything purchased through crowns would be account restricted but not the full game.

Whether or not this was an oversight is immaterial. It has still affected and alienated a large proportion of Console gamers and should be rectified

This is not an oversight and their is nothing that needs to be rectified. You speak of accounts which refers to the XBL/PSN accounts or just the personal account on the console (user profile) but this game has it's own account and that is where the IE is registered too.

I'm not a console gamer as I primarily play PC but I do own and play on the consoles too so I know how they work and this isn't Call of Duty and crap, this is an MMO and even I saw that only the main game, NOT IE or pre-order packs would be playable to multiple accounts from one disc, any additional content from those packs/editions is one-time use only. Be happy they allow the main game playable from one disc to multiple accounts, that is a lot of sales they lose out on in hope people will spend in the crown shop. People want everything for nothing these days, it's ridiculous!

TrueKore wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

I'm not judging them. How should they know how a console store works if Bethesda even doesn't (or at least doesn't want)?

It's not that they don't know, if that YOU don't know how MMO's work. So you think you can buy all the stuff from the crown store (which includes the IE and Explorers Pack content) and it be good for all accounts using your console or physical copy of the game? Sorry but MMO's just don't work like that!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

TrueKore wrote: »

@Gidorick: Why should we use the same account? Everyone has his own account with own friends, own achievements, profiles, statistics and everything. Let's compare it with a house. The console is the house your living in and your account is you. You can live with several persons in one house (console) and use the same toilet, kitchen equipment, ... (games and DLCs) without buying them twice. But you still remain separate persons with own friends and lifes. Now guess you buy a new toilet for the house and install it. You would assume that it works for everyone living in your house wouldn't you? Now you go home install the toilet and use it. After an hour your wife want's to use it to. But it's locked. So you go to the toilet manufacturer and ask him why it's not working. He tells you: Sorry you have to buy a toilet for both of you. We better not guess how this would end. But if there would have been a sign on the toilet that it's for one person only (for whatever stupid reason) the situation would be different. The toilet would still work only for one person but you would have known it and possibly not have bought it. Can you follow now?

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO: Exactly. Is it that difficult for PC only users to understand how consoles are working?

You have to understand some people just love to argue and nitpick. Best to just let them be and move on instead of feeding into it.

Komadori420

TrueKore wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You have to remember most of the people attacking you over this do not own consoles. They dont know how the stores on consoles work. Forgive them for they know not what they talk about hehe.

I'm not judging them. How should they know how a console store works if Bethesda even doesn't (or at least doesn't want)?

Betheseda knows full-well, look at previous TES and Fallout console versions that included extra content.

I think these guys just didn't think to say that it's (obviously) going to follow more traditional MMO methods.

nimander99

Did you buy the game box and expect to be able to make accounts for your whole family off that one purchase? What are we talking about here?

TrueKore

Komadori420 wrote: »

Betheseda knows full-well, look at previous TES and Fallout console versions that included extra content.

I think these guys just didn't think to say that it's (obviously) going to follow more traditional MMO methods.

Finally someone got the point. The problem is not that they are differing from X1 standard, but that they made it appear in the store as standard and didn't tell us there that it's not. Once again I don't blame Bethesda for making it different to the standard, I blame them for not making clear in the store that it's different. I don't own a crystal ball that could have told me. I just can read the description in the store.

nimander99 wrote: »

Did you buy the game box and expect to be able to make accounts for your whole family off that one purchase? What are we talking about here?

Nope you can make accounts for everyone on a console. That's not the problem. The problem is that Explorer's Pack and IE appear like normal DLCs in the store, but other than normal DLCs are tied to one account.

Junipus

TrueKore wrote: »

I bought the game assuming that it works the same as for every other game in the store and we both would be able to use the Explorer's Pack and Imperial Edition stuff.

Assumptions are the mother of all *** ups.

Never assume anything with something you're unfamiliar with and always read the fine print. Saves you from any nasty surprises in the future ☺

nimander99

TrueKore wrote: »

Komadori420 wrote: »

Betheseda knows full-well, look at previous TES and Fallout console versions that included extra content.

I think these guys just didn't think to say that it's (obviously) going to follow more traditional MMO methods.

Finally someone got the point. The problem is not that they are differing from X1 standard, but that they made it appear in the store as standard and didn't tell us there that it's not. Once again I don't blame Bethesda for making it different to the standard, I blame them for not making clear in the store that it's different. I don't own a crystal ball that could have told me. I just can read the description in the store.

nimander99 wrote: »

Did you buy the game box and expect to be able to make accounts for your whole family off that one purchase? What are we talking about here?

Nope you can make accounts for everyone on a console. That's not the problem. The problem is that Explorer's Pack and IE appear like normal DLCs in the store, but other than normal DLCs are tied to one account.

Ahhhhhhhh, I see now. Yeah, these kinds of assumptions will happen a lot, I imagine, now that mmo's are hitting consoles in ernest. Probably time for ZoS to update their terms of use info at the very least.

AlnilamE

TrueKore wrote: »

Nope you can make accounts for everyone on a console. That's not the problem. The problem is that Explorer's Pack and IE appear like normal DLCs in the store, but other than normal DLCs are tied to one account.

Yeah, I see what you mean. They are not really DLC as much as they are in-game perks and thus tied to the account rather than the "game package".

I'm quite sure that when DLC zones come out, they will behave like you expect. Though I wonder how it will work if one account has an ESO plus membership and the others don't?

gard

Wow... so many haters in this thread getting their panties in a wad.
I can understand the OP's confusion since everything else on console works differently.

The OP should be thankful though, that a 2nd account can be played at all.
If I understand correctly, all that is missing is the horse/Imperial race etc.

On PC that second account wouldn't be playable without buying a 2nd key at full price.

Xjcon

How dare they not put it in black and white right on the box.....I too would assume if I purchase a perk for an mmo that I can use it for as many accounts as i wish....

wraith808

TrueKore wrote: »

Komadori420 wrote: »

Betheseda knows full-well, look at previous TES and Fallout console versions that included extra content.

I think these guys just didn't think to say that it's (obviously) going to follow more traditional MMO methods.

Finally someone got the point. The problem is not that they are differing from X1 standard, but that they made it appear in the store as standard and didn't tell us there that it's not. Once again I don't blame Bethesda for making it different to the standard, I blame them for not making clear in the store that it's different. I don't own a crystal ball that could have told me. I just can read the description in the store.

So if you had known, what would that have changed? Would you not have bought the imperial edition? You might be able to get a refund on that if you request, and then just have the base game and lose all of the benefits. Or if it's just because you shared- then you can share getting another.

If neither of those is applicable, then I don't think it was the communication that's your problem. You just want it to be some way that it's not. That's pretty unsolvable.

But don't hide behind the lack of understanding/communication.

Merlin13KAGL

Gidorick wrote: »

TrueKore wrote: »

@Gidorick: Why should we use the same account? Everyone has his own account with own friends, own achievements, profiles, statistics and everything. Let's compare it with a house. The console is the house your living in and your account is you. You can live with several persons in one house (console) and use the same toilet, kitchen equipment, ... (games and DLCs) without buying them twice. But you still remain separate persons with own friends and lifes. Now guess you buy a new toilet for the house and install it. You would assume that it works for everyone living in your house wouldn't you? Now you go home install the toilet and use it. After an hour your wife want's to use it to. But it's locked. So you go to the toilet manufacturer and ask him why it's not working. He tells you: Sorry you have to buy a toilet for both of you. We better not guess how this would end. But if there would have been a sign on the toilet that it's for one person only (for whatever stupid reason) the situation would be different. The toilet would still work only for one person but you would have known it and possibly not have bought it. Can you follow now?

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO: Exactly. Is it that difficult for PC only users to understand how consoles are working?

With your analogy, what is being asked is that two people in same house be allowed to use the same clothes at the same time. East the EXACT same food. "I just ate this burger... why can't my brother eat this burger too!?!"

Or read the same terms and conditions as provided by the manufacturer.

@Gidorick , why did you have to go throwing logic at a perfectly good thread?

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO why is it so hard for (some) console users to understand that ZoS added stipulations beyond the standard Xbox/PS contract?

Korah_Eaglecry

TheLegendOfAbe wrote: »

Hey guys, me and my brother both pitched in the buy the Imperial Edition and, to our dismay, we found out that the specifics for how the perks are applied aren't really mentioned and kinda cheated us out. I looked around and I eventually found some more detailed information about the pack (sources included).

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/29758/kw/Imperial Edition
The Imperial Edition perks register and lock onto one account, not to the console. This means that if multiple players plan to play on the same system (siblings, roomates, etc.) then only the first one to redeem the key receives the perks. If the others wanted to also receive the perks, they woukd have to re-purchase the Imperial Edition on their own account in the ingame Crown Store.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28013/kw/Imperial Edition
If you apply the Imperial Edition perks to a player on one megaserver, you will not receive the perks if playing on a different megaserver.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4985/kw/Imperial Edition
Even on the same account, you will only receive the Imperial Edition items on one character ever. If you wish to have them on other characters, they must be transferred through the bank or such. I assume the Imperial Race will be available to all characters though as it is not an item.

I can see why they would want to implement such (cheap) methods in managing the Imperial Edition, otherwise people could make multiple accounts on the same system or multiple characters to trade off or sell the Imperial Edition items. However, this isn't the best way to deal with the issue and is actually quite unfair and deceitful considering that they never even mention this. A better method could possibly to make all Imperial Edition items untradeable and sellable for 0 gold.

This has been known since PC Launch. Its not news and its not shocking. Everyone thats owned a PC version of the Imperial Edition or anyone that cared to look into it (plenty of old threads on it from PC Launch) knew that this is the direction they went.

I really dont see the issue here. Just split up the items between you and whomever is also using the account. Next time do a little more research into your purchase.

TheLegendOfAbe

Ultimately, missing the perks isn't that bad.

rawcomrade91 wrote: »

The easy solution? Share one Xbox Live account and you and your brother create different characters on the same account. Perks are account-wide.

Well we're on PS4 (not that it makes much of a difference) and from what I read the accounts are kinda account-wide byt the items will only be granted once. Look at this-https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4985/kw/Imperial Edition