A Request for Mystical Mount Presence In-Game

Gidorick

HEY @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_GaryA, @Lawrence_Schick. No doubt a few of you have seen the threads discussing the "lore appropriateness" of some of the mounts that are being released in the Crown Store.

I'm sure at least one of you is aware of the De-Mystical Mount Concept I posted where I was asking for a Crown Store item to make Mystical Mounts look like Normal Mounts.

Pretty much the issue I, as well as others, have with these mounts is there is no justification for them in ESO. A quest involving these mounts or just having them added to an existing or future location in Tamriel would more than adequately justify their existence to those of us that care about these sorts of things.

There was a discussion I particularly enjoyed involving Frostmere:

Gidorick wrote: »

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UrQuan wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

and i assume this new mount came from http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Frostmere_Crypt

Is that assumption just based on Frostmare sounding like Frostmere? Both are descriptive names, and a mare is very different from a mere. A mare is a female horse, while a mere is a shallow lake. Although now that I think about it, I don't remember there being any lakes around Frostmere Crypt - maybe it was a crypt for a family named Frostmere?

A quest where players visit Frostmare Crypt to release and tame an aspect of the Etherial horse Frostmare? It's not THE Frostmare we're all riding but a portion of Frostmare. This splintering of Frostmare was so severe that by the time all the players of ESO got done with Frostmare Crypt, no aspect of the spectral equine remained. After that, the crypt wad mistakenly referred to as Frostmere...

I would be so down for that! I would Rock that quest and buy the Crap out of that mount.

The justification can come at a later time and can just be in one zone, one crypt, or in one quest... just please give us a little justification for these mounts and you WILL sell more.

On a more personal note... I thought the Fire-Horse was cheezy but understood the appeal. Now, the Ice-Horse, as it's seen in the new trailer, is freaking awesome! Way to go on that one.

Anyway, if you could please just forward these thoughts to the creative/writing/development team, we would appreciate it. Thanks.

/drink

dodgehopper_ESO

What trailer?

Blutengel

The one shown here https://youtu.be/CbjlovuIsiU

P3ZZL3

Blutengel wrote: »

The one shown here https://youtu.be/CbjlovuIsiU

Ok, gotta admit, that game looks quite cool. Where can I get it?

coryevans_3b14_ESO

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Blutengel wrote: »

The one shown here https://youtu.be/CbjlovuIsiU

Ok, gotta admit, that game looks quite cool. Where can I get it?

Can't tell if you're kidding.

Gidorick

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Blutengel wrote: »

The one shown here https://youtu.be/CbjlovuIsiU

Ok, gotta admit, that game looks quite cool. Where can I get it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

coryevans_3b14_ESO

So in a game that tries to stay lore friendly, your belief is that all they have to do is write in a quest and BOOM, they can sell whatever they want? I'm asking because I'm really not sure if that's what you're saying. If that's the case, holy cow would that set a bad precedent in my opinion.

Sotha_Sil

This mount is so awful... I hope it will be super expensive and that no one will buy it.

Gidorick

How do you figure ESO is trying to stay lore friendly @coryevans_3b14_ESO? Right now they're just adding things with absolutely no justifications whatsoever. I don't like the fire horse and ice pony. In my opinion they have no place in Eber scrolls. The Sence mount is even stretching it a bit but at least it's not all sparkley, yet.

I already suggested that ZOS sell a toggle that would allow us to make the mystical mounts appear as regular mounts. The seething hot anger in response to that idea supprised me. I would prefer this method of dealing with these mounts.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173189/de-mystical-mounts-a-crown-store-concept/p1

So what's your suggestion @coryevans_3b14_ESO? ZOS is going to continue releasing these things. Are you content with them just being released with no reason or justification?

I fully expect a wood horse and an earth horse to cover all 4 elements.

idk

The nightmare mount was a fabulous design that has a clear spot in the lore of the land as it came from a far away location no Man or Mer has set eyes on.

I am good with that. Keep it coming Zos

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Ok

Gidorick

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The nightmare mount was a fabulous design that has a clear spot in the lore of the land as it came from a far away location no Man or Mer has set eyes on.

I am good with that. Keep it coming Zos

Where is this spot of lore? And if no one's been there, how'd we get the mount? Did it migrate to Tamriel?

idk

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Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The nightmare mount was a fabulous design that has a clear spot in the lore of the land as it came from a far away location no Man or Mer has set eyes on.

I am good with that. Keep it coming Zos

Where is this spot of lore? And if no one's been there, how'd we get the mount? Did it migrate to Tamriel?

Yes, it found its own way to our lands. An intelligent breed and strong breed of mystical origins. Seriously, it's an MMO and some artistic additions will come via the crown shop.

Olysja

hahaha the pvp part is so ridicolous XD they should show all blocked in the lag while 40ppls stacking, more real for sure

Gidorick

Lol @coryevans_3b14_ESO. I wasn't just making points. I'm genuinely asking for your opinion and ideas.

Conversation!

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

Lol @coryevans_3b14_ESO. I wasn't just making points. I'm genuinely asking for your opinion and ideas.

Conversation!

I guess it doesn't bother me too much from a lore perspective. I've seen so many cash shops start out with good intentions and end up as either full blown P2W (Archeage, which started that way from the jump and is the perfect example of p2w) or like Swtor which started out not too bad and then became (arguably) P2W. Neverwinter started out P2W, don't know how that ended up but with who runs that game I'm sure it's still a horrible cash shop.

I'm more worried about the cash shop becoming a disgusting and obvious cash grab. I realize companies need to make money. I'm a full blown capitalist (Murrica) but when I start seeing RNG boxes I'm out. Gambling is a serious addiction for some folks and gaming companies discovered a while back that if they exploit this weakness in people they can make a butt load of money. There have been some really interesting studies on this.

One quick example (not the rule necessarily)

When I used to play archeage, they would release a different RNG box with about a less than one percent chance at something (while throwing in a few trinkets to keep you buying them). Had a guy in my guild spend 600 dollars trying to get the sloth glider. Never got it. Yup, that was his fault for doing it. But the gaming companies KNOW that this happens which is why they do it.

I also knew of folks in that game that could spend 1k per month on it to push the win button. 1k, no joke.

So long story short, slippery slope.

Darkonflare15

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

This mount is so awful... I hope it will be super expensive and that no one will buy it.

Not going to happen. Played on the console and talk to a player who bought enough ridding lessons to have a max 60/60/60 because he did not know you could do it in game. That is $180 he just spent for only just one character. I found out he played Neverwinter it spent more than that. So it made since. ZOS are going to make bank with players like this.

Gidorick

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Gidorick wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The nightmare mount was a fabulous design that has a clear spot in the lore of the land as it came from a far away location no Man or Mer has set eyes on.

I am good with that. Keep it coming Zos

Where is this spot of lore? And if no one's been there, how'd we get the mount? Did it migrate to Tamriel?

Yes, it found its own way to our lands. An intelligent breed and strong breed of mystical origins. Seriously, it's an MMO and some artistic additions will come via the crown shop.

Oh you're just saying it can be justified from "extrapolated lore"... That is true, but it's not ideal. It'll get tiresome very quickly.

Gidorick

@coryevans_3b14_ESO @Darkonflare15 those sorts of predatory practices is why Matt Firor wanted ESO to be sub and that ship has sailed. I have pretty much begged ZOS to add benefits to ESO+ for this very reason (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1). The more they MUST make money from the Crown Store the worse it will be.

The fact that they are adding mounts that are unsupported in lore really concerns me. Like you said, it's a slippery slope. Dwemer clockwork horse, here we come.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

@coryevans_3b14_ESO @Darkonflare15 those sorts of predatory practices is why Matt Firor wanted ESO to be sub and that ship has sailed. I have pretty much begged ZOS to add benefits to ESO+ for this very reason (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1). The more they MUST make money from the Crown Store the worse it will be.

The fact that they are adding mounts that are unsupported in lore really concerns me. Like you said, it's a slippery slope. Dwemer clockwork horse, here we come.

Ya, I do agree with you though. Lore breaking stuff does irritate me to a point. I honestly believe that after some time lore breaking will become meaningless since the smell of money will over power them like skooma to an Argonian.

Gidorick

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

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Gidorick wrote: »

@coryevans_3b14_ESO @Darkonflare15 those sorts of predatory practices is why Matt Firor wanted ESO to be sub and that ship has sailed. I have pretty much begged ZOS to add benefits to ESO+ for this very reason (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1). The more they MUST make money from the Crown Store the worse it will be.

The fact that they are adding mounts that are unsupported in lore really concerns me. Like you said, it's a slippery slope. Dwemer clockwork horse, here we come.

Ya, I do agree with you though. Lore breaking stuff does irritate me to a point. I honestly believe that after some time lore breaking will become meaningless since the smell of money will over power them like skooma to an Argonian.

So do I... I'm just trying to hang on to some semblance of lore appropriateness. I'd prefer they give us an explanation as to why there is now a translucent cloud tiger (hypothetical) that people can ride around on instead of just putting in the description "this cloud mount seems to have come directly from the primordial aether... 2500 Crowns".

Phaedrus

Gidorick

If I let it go @Phaedrus, I'm off to a different game. The only, I repeat, , the ONLY reason I'm playing ESO and not another game is that ESO is Elder Scrolls and we can play in Tamriel. If this game wasn't using the Elder Scrolls property, I wouldn't have even tried it.

dRudE

Question of curiosity, how many of the people basically asking for there to be no 'special' mounts to be in the game sub and/or buy crowns?

Gidorick

dRudE wrote: »

Question of curiosity, how many of the people basically asking for there to be no 'special' mounts to be in the game sub and/or buy crowns?

Apparently not many.

Gidorick

@WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO I would much prefer that ZOS add mystical mounts in a thoughtful way into ESO rather than just allow me to toggle them off. I just personally detest that the ONLY justification we have for these mounts running around ESO is... they were in the crown store. That is BS.

Ra'Shtar

How in the entire universe are the crown store mounts ''lore breaking'' in a fantasy universe where lava creatures are possible, constellations can fall down to the ground and talk, there is MAGIC! the sun is a hole to the land of magic, stars are smaller holes, the planet is made of a dead god, zombies are real, ghosts are super common, teleportation is an actual thing, there are gods and above all of that Khajiit, Argonians and elfs!!!! also don't forget DRAGONS!!!!, please common you guys have to be doing this just out of boredom or just to purely criticize the amazing job the art team is doing with the mounts/costumes/pets.
PS: You want real? GO OUTSIDE, i have more than enough real BS every time i wake up.

Gidorick

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

How in the entire universe are the crown store mounts ''lore breaking'' in a fantasy universe where lava creatures are possible, constellations can fall down to the ground and talk, there is MAGIC! the sun is a hole to the land of magic, stars are smaller holes, the planet is made of a dead god, zombies are real, ghosts are super common, teleportation is an actual thing, there are gods and above all of that Khajiit, Argonians and elfs!!!! also don't forget DRAGONS!!!!, please common you guys have to be doing this just out of boredom or just to purely criticize the amazing job the art team is doing with the mounts/costumes/pets.
PS: You want real? GO OUTSIDE, i have more than enough real BS every time i wake up.

Easy @Ra'Shtar. Every single one of those things you are speaking of is supported in-game with lore. Through gameplay or literature.

Aside from the crown store, there is no justification for these mounts in game or in lore. Asking that ZOS justify their additions to the crown store isn't unreasonable.

If ZOS is just adding crap that looks cool... I want a Dwemer cog-horse, and a costume that puts my character in a Gambler cowboy hat and a duster.

ZOS needs to follow the lore that has been established and, if they add to that lore, add it responsibly and rationally.

You don't see me complaining about Guar mounts or Senche Tiger mounts. Or even about new creatures... because they have been added in a meaningful and thoughtful way. I can see guars and senche tigers around ESO... where did all these fire and ice mounts come from?

Ra'Shtar

So you want them to add a description to the mounts detailing some story, ill save zeni some time and add one to the frosty horsie. From the deepest corners of the frosted pockets of Oblivion comes frosty horsie the frost mare, empowered by magic of the land this beautiful and elusive creature can only be seen with the right alignment of stars. THERE IS NOT SO HARD TO ADD IMAGINATION, that's how GAMES are born and also LOREEEEE

TheDarkShadow

I made my own "explaination" for my mount. My Soul Shiver horse was stuck in a magic lightning storm with my sorc and changed with my character. The zombie mount, of course, digged up somewhere with dark magic. Even the normal White Mane Horse, he was a normal Midnight black horse untill he chased a mythical frost mare, stallions are stallions. About other mystical mounts? Well, I just ignore them the same way I ignore my horse disappear into thin air everytime I dismount.

Gidorick

@Ra'Shtar & @TheDarkShadow I'm not interested in using what would be tantamount fanfiction to justify ESO Crown Store additions. I have given ideas in many other threads how both the fire and ice mounts could reasonably be added to ESO.

Again... if we're going with "make your own story." I want my elf cowboy with dual one-handed crossbows riding a dwemer cog horse. I could totally make up how that exists in ESO... oh and lets add zepplins and SoulSwords while we're at it.

SoulSwords are swords that use the power of Soulgems to create a spectral blade...Here's Miaq with a pair of them now!


ooh. and let's add Dwemer motorized carriages while we're at it!

Surely the Dwemer figured out rolling vehicles. They had walking machines.


Just how far does your "imagination" allow you to take when it comes to unjustified additions to ESO?