How do you get a Guild Kiosk these days?

FadedJeans

We lose bids after plunking down 100k+. How do you land a kiosk these days?

Zeni, can we have more of them, please? Or can some of them be combined kiosks with aggregated stuff?

Heromofo

You need to be in bigger guilds that can afford to drop 1-5 million on spots.

Monopoly effects are the reason why i want them to think about Gidorick's idea or mine to change this silly system lol.

Possibly regional Auction houses 3 per side in each capitol.

newtinmpls

The other day I was wandering through Kenarthi's Roost and noted that a gulid trader had "bid on trader" as an option, and I started wondering about that.

I know that the guilds "want" the high ranking, high traffic areas. But I also wondered about sometime deliberately bidding on a trader in a starter zone - or some less massively trafficked zone - and then having the members deliberately list items catered to that player-base.

Could something like that work? I don't even know.

driosketch

I happen to know many of the kiosks can be gotten for less than half a 100k. Try one of the less popular locations, even the out of the way spots can see good business. Rule of thumb, try to bid 1-5k per active member depending on how well you guys sell, easily recouped with the sale of a single stack of mats at the lower end per member, and find a trader at your guild's level.

Also here's a record of recent kiosk ownership for you to study:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/164068/guild-trader-information-na-server#latest

On average almost half the kiosks in the game will have a new owner each week. Over a third are hired by guilds who had no trader the week before. Scout out a good target, and good luck on next week's bid.

SeptimusDova

Im still leaning on whether or not to bid and commit to the trading house line in the game. I mean for me it will take a lot of my time away from killing things, Starting trouble, playing the flute in rawl'kha and seems to much like work. It's an in game commitment that I do not want to make at this time.

I do see prices on items go up way more than they should I don't know why at launch Dwarven Oil was 250g and now it seems to hover in many places at 400-500g. I will not say that everyone is gouging that would be insulting and rude. But it does happen. 100 rawhide for 1000G GTFOH. Yes saw that last night. Free market does not equate to greed market. When any system of trade is abused by a few it can have repercussions on the whole.

Not slamming guilds but some of the guilds have members that seem unscrupulous and the same @name shows up in many other guilds raising prices the same way.. Gouging by an individual can make the whole guild look bad.

MissBizz

Ugh, I feel your pain. We always went for off the road traders, knowing we wouldn't get a top spot, and you could get these for 10-30k. Lately tho we have been bidding much higher and still can't seem to get one! Its just so luck of the draw.. The trader you bid on someone may have bid 100k+ on, yet a different one may have been hired for 10k that week

Zorrashi

If you absolutely must obtain a kiosk, I would recommend trying some of the less populated areas. Some of them are not even bid on that often and should be easy enough to obtain. Even with the lower traffic, most people would agree that any kiosk is better than no kiosk (...unless you bid way too much and can't break even).

Heromofo

Zorrashi wrote: »

If you absolutely must obtain a kiosk, I would recommend trying some of the less populated areas. Some of them are not even bid on that often and should be easy enough to obtain. Even with the lower traffic, most people would agree that any kiosk is better than no kiosk (...unless you bid way too much and can't break even).

I fell like we are just stepping around the issue lol

Lets just get regional auction houses going 3 per side in each capitol side.


Sick of been forced into guilds anyway.

SeptimusDova

Hero
The system in place now seems to easy to manipulate price/location/item pricing. Insider shenanigans/ spies and that sorta thing. There is no checks and balances when collusion is easier and more profitable. No recourse over the pricing of the kiosk, or items placed on the kiosks. Raffles held inside the guild to raise money for the next weeks bid have no control. I will not join another trading guild as I have seen first hand one thing typed on screen and heard something entirely different from the same people on vent.

Heromofo

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Hero
The system in place now seems to easy to manipulate price/location/item pricing. Insider shenanigans/ spies and that sorta thing. There is no checks and balances when collusion is easier and more profitable. No recourse over the pricing of the kiosk, or items placed on the kiosks. Raffles held inside the guild to raise money for the next weeks bid have no control. I will not join another trading guild as I have seen first hand one thing typed on screen and heard something entirely different from the same people on vent.

Yeah same Dova i find gaming guilds in mmos become soap opera like thats when i leave.
Playing a game lol don't want to hear people carrying on like children behind each others backs.

ZeniMax kinda doesnt like us soloist players and forced us into guilds to trade.

Casdha

Me myself I never bid on a guild trader. That said, as a frequent shopper I tend to go areas that has multiple sellers close to a wayshrine, ones less than a minute run while riding at sprint speeds.

As far as greed goes to the ones eluding to it, it is a free market system. Put the work in and you will get the benefits of it. I'm sure many of these really large rich trade guild leaders have little time for PvP or questing. That, or they have done it all. Either way if you wouldn't give up what you do to make yourself a success at something else then don't complain about those that do.

When I put my mind to a goal of making a million gold for my personal bank I started with less than 10k in gold and made a million profit stored in my bank in less than a month. That is above and beyond the cost of buying and learning traits at 20k + a pop and buying nirncrux stones at 16k + and marking an item up 5k above the stone price for a research item. If you take the time to farm the items yourself then it is all profit after time and initial investment.

Now that I've reached that goal (and I'm sure others have done it much faster), I use all income to finish buying and learning the nirn traits I don't know. Anyone can do this, it ain't that hard.


Edit: A suggestion, if you wish to be a successful outlying area trader, Have better prices on large ticket items than the guilds at high profile locations and advertise your location each week through a guild website.

Korah_Eaglecry

Casdha wrote: »

Me myself I never bid on a guild trader. That said, as a frequent shopper I tend to go areas that has multiple sellers close to a wayshrine, ones less than a minute run while riding at sprint speeds.

As far as greed goes to the ones eluding to it, it is a free market system. Put the work in and you will get the benefits of it. I'm sure many of these really large rich trade guild leaders have little time for PvP or questing. That, or they have done it all. Either way if you wouldn't give up what you do to make yourself a success at something else then don't complain about those that do.

When I put my mind to a goal of making a million gold for my personal bank I started with less than 10k in gold and made a million profit stored in my bank in less than a month. That is above and beyond the cost of buying and learning traits at 20k + a pop and buying nirncrux stones at 16k + and marking an item up 5k above the stone price for a research item. If you take the time to farm the items yourself then it is all profit after time and initial investment.

Now that I've reached that goal (and I'm sure others have done it much faster), I use all income to finish buying and learning the nirn traits I don't know. Anyone can do this, it ain't that hard.


Edit: A suggestion, if you wish to be a successful outlying area trader, Have better prices on large ticket items than the guilds at high profile locations and advertise your location each week through a guild website.

Its not about giving up what you enjoy. Its about being given the equal opportunity to sell your wares and items. The current system provides the richer players the opportunity to completely shut out the little guy. Or sideline him into out of the way kiosks that barely get any traffic. Its the complete opposite of a free market system. As anyone that cant afford to get into a bidding war will more then likely be unable to freely market their items.

FadedJeans

Yeah. We have a large guild, but we're primarily casuals that dabble in all aspects of the game.

Tons of members that can sell odds and ends but no real desire to ruthlessly min/max the kiosk.

Kind of a bummer.

Perhaps if we were allowed to lay down multiple bids on multiple kiosks, with an automatic preference system to resolve multiple wins automatically?

Laying down a single bid each week and losing, only to try your one shot again the following week, that's pretty discouraging.

Casdha

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

Me myself I never bid on a guild trader. That said, as a frequent shopper I tend to go areas that has multiple sellers close to a wayshrine, ones less than a minute run while riding at sprint speeds.

As far as greed goes to the ones eluding to it, it is a free market system. Put the work in and you will get the benefits of it. I'm sure many of these really large rich trade guild leaders have little time for PvP or questing. That, or they have done it all. Either way if you wouldn't give up what you do to make yourself a success at something else then don't complain about those that do.

When I put my mind to a goal of making a million gold for my personal bank I started with less than 10k in gold and made a million profit stored in my bank in less than a month. That is above and beyond the cost of buying and learning traits at 20k + a pop and buying nirncrux stones at 16k + and marking an item up 5k above the stone price for a research item. If you take the time to farm the items yourself then it is all profit after time and initial investment.

Now that I've reached that goal (and I'm sure others have done it much faster), I use all income to finish buying and learning the nirn traits I don't know. Anyone can do this, it ain't that hard.


Edit: A suggestion, if you wish to be a successful outlying area trader, Have better prices on large ticket items than the guilds at high profile locations and advertise your location each week through a guild website.

Its not about giving up what you enjoy. Its about being given the equal opportunity to sell your wares and items. The current system provides the richer players the opportunity to completely shut out the little guy. Or sideline him into out of the way kiosks that barely get any traffic. Its the complete opposite of a free market system. As anyone that cant afford to get into a bidding war will more then likely be unable to freely market their items.

OK real life example here, can you take anything to Walmart and sell it? No not unless you spend enough to sell there. You can sell it on Ebay though but that costs ya too, then there is always a yard sale.

FadedJeans wrote: »

Yeah. We have a large guild, but we're primarily casuals that dabble in all aspects of the game.

Tons of members that can sell odds and ends but no real desire to ruthlessly min/max the kiosk.

Kind of a bummer.

Perhaps if we were allowed to lay down multiple bids on multiple kiosks, with an automatic preference system to resolve multiple wins automatically?

Laying down a single bid each week and losing, only to try your one shot again the following week, that's pretty discouraging.

This I would agree with. There should be a system for back up location bidding.

wrlifeboil

FadedJeans wrote: »

We lose bids after plunking down 100k+. How do you land a kiosk these days?

Zeni, can we have more of them, please? Or can some of them be combined kiosks with aggregated stuff?

More kiosks wouldn't help. The big trade guilds would just buy them up.

Why? Because it makes a difference in sales. It's all about location. I was in a guild that had a prime location. I'm not a big seller of items because I don't farm much but I easily made over 50k-100k in gold per week and I think I wasn't even in the top 100 in our guild. When the guild moved to a less prime location, sales dropped to under 20k. You could see everyone's listings going stale.

The biggest failing of guild kiosk system is there is no catch-up mechanism. Once your guild is behind, it will always be behind the rest of the pack.

That's why it will suck for the new players on console. The 'old money' PC transfers with millions in gold will grab the prime kiosks and unless they are incompetent those trading guilds will be permanently based in those locations. The new players don't stand much of a chance unless they can clone the millions in gold to outbid the old money.

LadyDestiny

Instead of a bidding war on these guild kiosks, they should do a lottery or something along these lines. Guilds with the prime spots are keeping them because they will always have more money to bid on since they pull in huge amounts of gold from these prime spots. As the saying goes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Not trying to be negative, but would like to see some of the underdogs get a chance to move up a little. I don't say this to benefit myself as I am a pc transfer to console and been playing since beta. Makes no difference to me, but we all know the transfers will get the upper hand. The system needs a change to make it more fair. I will go out of my way to shop at the out of the way markets jumping from zone to zone just to give them some business. You would be surprised the deals you can find compared to the prime kiosks.

pecheckler

The entire system is rigged so the rich get richer. There seriously needs to be a single UI that lets you browse kiosks in any location. What the hell is the point of having to travel between a dozen wayshrines just to shop around exactly? It's tedious and annoying and just a big waste of time. The faster you can sell your *** the faster you can get back to the fun.

Peekachu99

pecheckler wrote: »

The entire system is rigged so the rich get richer. There seriously needs to be a single UI that lets you browse kiosks in any location. What the hell is the point of having to travel between a dozen wayshrines just to shop around exactly? It's tedious and annoying and just a big waste of time. The faster you can sell your *** the faster you can get back to the fun.

The flaws in the system will be even more readily exposed with the console launches and their dearth of communication and trade features. It's a market that only favours the well and established and those are the only ones you'll see defending it.

Any game that makes you join four guilds just so you can sell trash from your inventory is doing it wrong.

helediron

pecheckler wrote: »

The entire system is rigged so the rich get richer. There seriously needs to be a single UI that lets you browse kiosks in any location. What the hell is the point of having to travel between a dozen wayshrines just to shop around exactly? It's tedious and annoying and just a big waste of time. The faster you can sell your *** the faster you can get back to the fun.

I think this is the exact opposite. Now smaller guilds have possibility to get a place and sell. The "rich ones" can't control market because it is distributed, and takes too much work to even try to control.

What would really help is an in-game list to look where guilds locate. I am keeping my own list of good guilds, and i look into them when searching stuff. Their location is irrelevant.

freakyfreak

You know it's hard out here for a pimp
When he tryin' to get this money for the rent
...

Heromofo

FadedJeans wrote: »

Yeah. We have a large guild, but we're primarily casuals that dabble in all aspects of the game.

Tons of members that can sell odds and ends but no real desire to ruthlessly min/max the kiosk.

Kind of a bummer.

Perhaps if we were allowed to lay down multiple bids on multiple kiosks, with an automatic preference system to resolve multiple wins automatically?

Laying down a single bid each week and losing, only to try your one shot again the following week, that's pretty discouraging.

Mmm maybe

Each guild kiosk can house 5 guilds the highest bidder is the front page and the closest 4 are then added to tabs to it like we do with normal guild ah.

Or they need to offer regional auction houses 3 per side to break up prices on top of a neutral auction house x 3.

Baranon

I'm the lucky one who bid's and loses for FadedJeans and the rest of my guild. I have a solution that I think would be great for all guilds that wish to have a Kiosk and make players happy, but still keep the devs goal in mind to an extent.. now, mind you I don't peruse the forums regularly, so if there's an idea similar to this out there, I apologize ahead of time for wasting time and space.

Simply allow up to a set number of guilds to win each week at one Kiosk.. perhaps, as an example, let's say 4. Now, each Kiosk is a marketplace for 4 different guilds.. the guilds still can only hold one Kiosk, but the number of locations have vastly increased and as such, we should see a larger number of guilds being able to get involved in the market. From a players point of view, we now have 4 guilds per Kiosk to peruse for goods.. time savings for certain and hopefully, a better all around solution. And the Devs still keep their desired economic effect of not having a global auction or marketplace; still requiring players to roam around if they don't find something from one Kiosk... it's just a larger Kiosk.. that's all.

I thank everyone for their advice and suggestions here!! I've done some already and failed, but I will try the others and hope they work.. at this point, I feel like I'm playing craps and on the perverbial losing streak! 5 weeks and counting.. time for a good roll!!

Well.. there's my 2 cents and hopefully, someday, we'll find a suitable and happy ending for this dilemna!!

Again, thanks everyone!

newtinmpls

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Any game that makes you join four guilds just so you can sell trash from your inventory is doing it wrong.

Ouch.

I would say that anyone selling "trash" through a kiosk is abusing the system, and being disrespectful of the potential buyers. Unfortunately, when I browse, I note that seems to apply more than I would like.