Yay! Riding lessons on Crown Store.

Forestd16b14_ESO

How does having 60 extra slots in your bag a P2W ? What are you a hoarder ?

Forestd16b14_ESO

How does having 60 extra slots in your bag a P2W ? What are you a hoarder ?

Dru1076

It might be considered pay to survive, or pay to run away, but I can't see it as pay to win. I had to chuckle when I saw @mwsacto_ESO calling it a pittance. I guess as long there are a few who think spending $135 to fully level riding skills is a mere pittance, then Zos will make a lot more money out of this than I thought. I wish it was a little more reasonable, because it would have been handy. If it ever goes down in price, our goes on sale, I will reconsider taking advantage of the item. But as it stands, I feel like I'd be the one taken advantage of.

Sausage

Looks bad to be honest, thats just greed, thats just out of the touch with reality, Xp-boosters better be cheaper than that. I dont undestand, F2P and shops are great idea, MMO even needs them, because MMOs are so complex, so many things are better to take care with shops, but why every time they need to ask like 100 time higher prices than they should. Instead of using own brains Zen, just followed the genre standards, whats kind of sad.

Time to call a Jihad againg high prices, or this genre is dead. Yeah!

ItsMeToo

bowmanz607 wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

P2W

Definition per Urban Dictionary - Pay To Win. when you are paying for advantage which normal players don't have access to unless they either pay too or will have to grind very long (weeks and months).

that was the fourth definition out of 5. if we are going to pick which definition to use then...

Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

Paying real life currency to beat players who are inherently better than you in any game.

so, ESO does not meet these definitions.

that said, even your definition mentions grinding very long. imo feeding a horse once a day does not fall within grinding. although it does take time you do not grind to get there.

It was the 2nd definition when I looked it up. Pick the one you want and I will pick the one I want.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

lovESOng

uberkull wrote: »

$134.96 to max out all 3 skill lines

lol, you can buy 3 new games for the same money it takes to upgrade your horse. on one character.

retyler3_ESO

Purchasing the new riding skill upgrades is not pay to win. You have people that have been playing since the beginning and they have all three riding skills maxed out. There are also those who were smart enough to buy three imperial mounts and upgrade one the skill lines on each horse, so when the skills were transferred from the mount to the rider they instantly had all riding skills maxed. "Oh My God, Betty. They paid to win." Besides ZOS set a reasonable dollar amount for the skills, so the majority of people are not going to be dropping over a hundred dollars to max out all three riding skills. They may purchase a few to raise the skills up 10 to 20 points.

Pay to Win. Please, stop crying wolf.

Korah_Eaglecry

Most items for the first year or two will be quality of life items. But theyll slowly begin to introduce things that toe the line or slightly cross the line of P2W as they begin to run out of ideas for things that can be bought/spent money on over and over again. Like potions and Riding lessons.

Most people will defend it as the P2W items wont cross the line entirely or blatantly. Theyll have stats that will have 'almost no advantage' and because of that most will look the other way. But any microtransaction store introduced to a game with multiplayer will envitably introduce P2W in some manner and form.

KerinKor

Naivefanboi wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Naivefanboi wrote: »

Wonder how long till vr gear or lvl 50 stuff goes intobcrown store.

That's a huge stretch and you know it.

I'm glad it's priced the way they did it. I won't be using it, but it's not low hanging enough that the majority of players will buy it.

Well since you said it must be true. Rift said same stuff..

And Trion have kept their word.

Your point is?

KerinKor

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How does having 60 extra slots in your bag a P2W ? What are you a hoarder ?

Well, if one wanted to argue his rather facile point of view, you could say:

more slots = more loot carrying = more gold = better gear = WIN!

rynth

Those complaining about the price do understand it was probably made this way so that it wasn't cheap to buy cause well the few P2W people crying out now would be X by 100. It's a way to make some money on the casual gamer whom has no problem spending money to get their character up to everybody else in area of mounts and when/if xp potions come out to be at lvl. Just like those willing to spend 50 dollars or more/less on crafting motifs instead of trying find them or save enough money to purchase them ingame. People talking about how stupid price is are missing the boat on why it is at that price. Not to mention they are probably the same people who would be talking about how stupid it would be if the price was lower too.

Not to mention that people that sub can be purchasing this stuff monthly at no extra cost to them another way to use their free crowns. Not to mention that stuff purchased in crown store go towards funding this game. and to all those that would say no new content, funding for console, blah blah blah blah go play your crappy violin song somewhere else in regards to my statement about funding the game.

Tavore1138

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Did every impatient person complain about upgrading their steed or something?

Yes, people have been whining about it for months - strangely they spent a lot of time claiming that having good horse skills gave players who had bothered levelling their mounts an unfair advantage over newer players... an advantage they are now keen to deny when they can gain it over those with less money.

Personally not seeing this as pay to win but it is a great revealer of hypocrites.

Tavore1138

nimander99 wrote: »

How does having a faster mount equal win in combat? Can someone explain that too me? I must be stupid to think being able to buy mount points is purely convenience...

Hi - in several small but relevant ways:

High speed means you get to cut off forts quicker, sometimes a few seconds in a raids arrival time can make the difference between winning or losing.

Everyone in your raid having high speed means you can move together fast and not be waiting for stragglers with lower speeds.

High stamina means less chance of being intercepted and thus also a chance to dismount and fight back against a ganker.

High Carry means... errr... more seige?

None of these are out and out P2W but all are useful.

Jitterbug

Endurance wrote: »

welcome to P2W! very soon they will add lockboxes and keys with end game VR14 rares in it too

and mermaids and unicorns!

BuggeX

oren74 wrote: »

Got no problem with this...still waiting on the XP boost potions, which are 100% PTW. When those come out...then it all changes.

Wtf, why should they be p2w? becaus of cp? god hack, ppl allready having 400+ CP and i have 160CP...

Damn beiing Workless antisocial = Win

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How does having 60 extra slots in your bag a P2W ? What are you a hoarder ?

Dude, you can Load 60 oil more.... noone can capture a Keep if there are 60 oils on it...

Kronosphere

zomg its not p2w. u guys serious? if your not got a 60 speed horse already then chances are you fodder in pvp anyways so no real impact. but its nice to have available for alts

Junkkis

sigh, so game turned pay to win after all
Faster mount in pvp allow move faster to fights what result more pvp points.

oh well, get bored at max lvl after all. need find another mmo or game.

Qyrk

Junkkis wrote: »

sigh, so game turned pay to win after all
Faster mount in pvp allow move faster to fights what result more pvp points.

oh well, get bored at max lvl after all. need find another mmo or game.

actually not the case. People are already having 60/60/60 horses even before these came around. This is a non-issue. People thinking and saying this is pay2win is making such a big stretch of a correlation.

Junkkis

Qyrk wrote: »

Junkkis wrote: »

sigh, so game turned pay to win after all
Faster mount in pvp allow move faster to fights what result more pvp points.

oh well, get bored at max lvl after all. need find another mmo or game.

actually not the case. People are already having 60/60/60 horses even before these came around. This is a non-issue. People thinking and saying this is pay2win is making such a big stretch of a correlation.

i understand people who like game to defend it to end. but its takes 180 day to fully train mount and thats huge disadvange for new players. either u wait 180 day or pay over 100e to keep up with others in pvp/pve.

BuggeX

Junkkis wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Junkkis wrote: »

sigh, so game turned pay to win after all
Faster mount in pvp allow move faster to fights what result more pvp points.

oh well, get bored at max lvl after all. need find another mmo or game.

actually not the case. People are already having 60/60/60 horses even before these came around. This is a non-issue. People thinking and saying this is pay2win is making such a big stretch of a correlation.

i understand people who like game to defend it to end. but its takes 180 day to fully train mount and thats huge disadvange for new players. either u wait 180 day or pay over 100e to keep up with others in pvp/pve.

150 days, just saying

asteldian

eliisra wrote: »

EramTheLiar wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

P2W

How exactly does this win? Mounts are useful, but they don't help you kill stuff. They are quality of life items (they help you get places faster, and improve your carry capacity).

I guess "P2QOL" just doesn't have the same bite.

Big advantages of having the best mount in PvP, or in this case a 60/60 speed and stamina one in Cyrodiil. You can for example avoid 90% of all gankers and just keep riding. Not getting killed over and over while trying to reach an objective is pretty "win" to me.

But more importantly, PvP is a horse simulator and it sucks when your mount is slow and under-levelled.

Horse bags tho, that's pure convenience.

Never, ever had a mount escape a ganking, if anything a horse with high stamina is an easy target because they actually try to flee and are dead before getting off the horse.
If anything it is Pay to get involved as all it does is help get to the action faster which is not a bad thing.
You could also call it Pay to catch up because most players are maxed so why force others to spend ages getting their mount to a decent speed to be on par.

smtdbplus

Those complaining are playing a game maintained and supported by developers whose salaries are paid by those who spend their hard earning rl money on in game convenience items.

Hmm... this is logical...

JamilaRaj

asteldian wrote: »

You could also call it Pay to catch up because most players are maxed so why force others to spend ages getting their mount to a decent speed to be on par.

Because instead of having one problem, i.e. stupid game mechanics, you will have two problems; stupid game mechanics and P2W.
Besides, even if we accept assumption that most players are maxed out, which is big if, it does not hold on consoles.

smtdbplus wrote: »

Those complaining are playing a game maintained and supported by developers whose salaries are paid by those who spend their hard earning rl money on in game convenience items.

Hmm... this is logical...

Is it? If the devs intend to develop the game in this manner, they should be paid for staying at home instead.

wrlifeboil

EramTheLiar wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

P2W

How exactly does this win? Mounts are useful, but they don't help you kill stuff. They are quality of life items (they help you get places faster, and improve your carry capacity).

I guess "P2QOL" just doesn't have the same bite.

One word. Cyrodiil.

But this being sold in the crown store is fine.

Lorkhan

Xendyn wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

They are depending on the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted".

I pick this one lol

Already have 5/7 horses characters maxed out 6th will be done in a couple days.
Gankers? Well, if you take the same route the second time, you might want to rethink that.

edited for clarity

man, there is some rich people out there. they can burn a lot of money with np. they can 7/7 their horse/char in a blink.

BuggeX

Lorkhan wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

They are depending on the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted".

I pick this one lol

Already have 5/7 horses characters maxed out 6th will be done in a couple days.
Gankers? Well, if you take the same route the second time, you might want to rethink that.

edited for clarity

man, there is some rich people out there. they can burn a lot of money with np. they can 7/7 their horse/char in a blink.

And you are mad about? I meen they spent 1000$/€ for the game you Play and prop you want see any of this rich ppls in game... be happy about it

wrlifeboil

BuggeX wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

They are depending on the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted".

I pick this one lol

Already have 5/7 horses characters maxed out 6th will be done in a couple days.
Gankers? Well, if you take the same route the second time, you might want to rethink that.

edited for clarity

man, there is some rich people out there. they can burn a lot of money with np. they can 7/7 their horse/char in a blink.

And you are mad about? I meen they spent 1000$/€ for the game you Play and prop you want see any of this rich ppls in game... be happy about it

Same here. I hope that all the 1%-ers drop lots of cash in the crown store.

Forestd16b14_ESO

KerinKor wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How does having 60 extra slots in your bag a P2W ? What are you a hoarder ?

Well, if one wanted to argue his rather facile point of view, you could say:

more slots = more loot carrying = more gold = better gear = WIN!

Uh but players can make better gear. This logic is making my brain hurt ..... there just screaming P2W this and that cause they just want to be notices right? That the only reason I see even making this thread.

reften

P2W means getting something that others CAN NOT get in a reasonable amount of time, without paying.

This riding thing, I can get it max'd in like 6 months. No sweat, plus, it doesn't help killing things, stay alive, or heal.

Remember, that is what this game is about, the ability to kill, stay alive, or heal others.

Now, champion points. Just about EVERY SINGLE champ point goes towards one of those three MAIN things, that makes a toon better.

As soon as XP potions come out, you've just given players who PAY THE MOST more ways to stay alive, kill things, and heal BETTER than those that pay significantly less.

Why? Because you get an infinite number (nearly) of champ points...it's not like paying to get to VR14 faster which everyone can do in a reasonable amount of time, it's about getting more buffs to champ points, which is a smoke in mirrors way of giving better equipment (better equipment = better stats = champ points) to those who pay more.

BloodWolfe

bowmanz607 wrote: »

please try to understand what pay to win is.

Sadly it is too simple a concept that most can't seem or want to grasp.