Auction House

NpcOnStrike

So my question is Simple " Will there be an Auction house in the game or No (if No than Why ?)

Haxnschwammer

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Short answer to your question: No, there won't be an auction house.

KhajitFurTrader

Hi @NpcOnStrike,

there is a plethora of threads on this topic. (theses links are just the top hits from the forum search)

The simple answer is: No, there will not, because ZOS has stated multiple times that they have no plans to do so. As for the discussion about pros and cons and reasons, I'd like to refer you to any of the other threads.

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P3ZZL3

No. ZOS Have officially announced it a number of times.

Sausage

You are new I suppose? You need to join guilld to get an access to auction house. Guild Auction Houses are spread everywhere around Tamriel. Craglorn theres spot with 6 GAHs.

Players have raised their voice against GAHs multiple time. I dont get it to be honest, what this game really needs is a reason to sell stuff. Theres lots of players with 3mill in gold and nothing to do with it.

Cherryblossom

Also like many others would love to see either an Auction house or a better system for selling.

Elloa

Quoting Jeason Leavey from a ESOLive

"Never going to happen"!

Sausage

Guild Auction House benefits..
- Gives reason to join a guild.
- Gives motivation for a guild leaders.
- Players travel around the world, increase the zone population, and making the zones more vibrant.
- Help against fixed prices, and of course against idiots/griefers who buy cheap and sell high.
- Innovation makes this game easier to sell and separate from other games.

P3ZZL3

Present Guild Trader Benefits:

• It is what it is and it aint changing!

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Elloa wrote: »

Quoting Jeason Leavey from a ESOLive

"Never going to happen"!

Did he say the same about going subscription free?

Or was that someone else, higher up?

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Sausage wrote: »

You are new I suppose? You need to join guilld to get an access to auction house. Guild Auction Houses are spread everywhere around Tamriel. Craglorn theres spot with 6 GAHs.

Players have raised their voice against GAHs multiple time. I dont get it to be honest, what this game really needs is a reason to sell stuff. Theres lots of players with 3mill in gold and nothing to do with it.

Please stop calling them Guild Auction Houses.

They are not.

Deliberately misleading new players is one of the surest ways to damage player retention.


To the OP, the Guild Trade Kiosks are NOT Auction Houses.
They are fixed price points of sale.
They have less than minimal functionality when compared to baseline functionality in almost every other MMO.
You'll often find that they are full of things a new player doesn't need and can't afford because the only way to pay for them (they require a weekly fee, often in excess of 1,000,000 Gold) is to list end-game high-value items.

Overall the game is great, stick with it, as you get more funds under your belt you'll be able to buy bag/bank space so you can store items as you collect them rather than get them from the in-game market place.

But please do not rely on a functioning in-game economy, there isn't one and ZoS have made it clear they don't want one.

All The Best

Exstazik

Auction will kill economic.Look at GW2

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Exstazik wrote: »

Auction will kill economic.Look at GW2

Auction didn't kill economies is almost every other MMO out there.

But, that's an aside.

The OP only asked a question, s/he did not proffer an opinion on their prefered system.

There are many options between what we have now and and a full blown Auction House.

And as they move along that spectrum at some point you get to a "system that works", which would be an improvement.

All The Best

NewBlacksmurf

NpcOnStrike wrote: »

So my question is Simple " Will there be an Auction house in the game or No (if No than Why ?)

To be nice, by definition or expectation of what's seen in other games like WoW or GW2, no.

The design of this game is to encourage social circles and to utilize a point of sale structure only by guild stores.
You can trade and COD items so if you wanted to organize social in-game events and structure it as an auction event this would be a great idea and something many would think is odd but overtime welcome if done right.

There will always be naysayers and one idea won't please everyone.

Think outside the box and make a difference.

Oh and welcome!

Gandrhulf_Harbard

@NewBlacksmurf the current system for accessing the trade system does NOT encourage "social circles" in fact it actively discourages them because player may need to be in multiple trade guilds just to have enough trade access.

I'm playing about 20 hrs a week right now and I constantly see Trade Guilds spamming chat for new blood, and 70% of their spam includes "no need to be social, just trade".

All The Best

MCMancub

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Auction will kill economic.Look at GW2

Auction didn't kill economies is almost every other MMO out there.

But, that's an aside.

The OP only asked a question, s/he did not proffer an opinion on their prefered system.

There are many options between what we have now and and a full blown Auction House.

And as they move along that spectrum at some point you get to a "system that works", which would be an improvement.

All The Best

Yes they do. Every game I've ever seen that has a central AH lists, for example, materials for crafting that are more expensive than the finished crafted item costs on the AH. That's backwards economics, and it's because of an AH that these economies are so terrible.

NpcOnStrike

That is just SAD to hear ( GAHs in my opinion is Cra* , if a Guild has like 100 Active members there is a very low chance of u selling something ) and especially low lvl items

MCMancub

NpcOnStrike wrote: »

That is just SAD to hear ( GAHs in my opinion is Cra* , if a Guild has like 100 Active members there is a very low chance of u selling something ) and especially low lvl items

I've been in 3 major trading guilds since I was level 10. I've never had any problems selling things. But, then again, I'm not trying to sell the useless green, or even blue, items you loot off of trash. I mostly sell food, motifs, enchantments, recipes, crafting materials.

If you join a good trading guild, specifically one with a trader in the most popular location for your faction, you will have no problems whatsoever.

P3ZZL3

NpcOnStrike wrote: »

That is just SAD to hear ( GAHs in my opinion is Cra* , if a Guild has like 100 Active members there is a very low chance of u selling something ) and especially low lvl items

Not actually true. Getting a Trader is one of the more important factors for any Guild if they want to actively Trade in ESO to other players. This is where the proverbial "can of worms" is opened and you then discuss the costs of getting a Trader for your guild, which IS Auction based (or Bid in this case). IF you don't win the "bid" then you don't have a Trader.

We have suffered from this for 2 weeks now. The figures for a Trader have gone up considerably over the last 4 weeks and we are now seeing Large single guilds running multiple Traders under slightly different names.

I would actually like to see what @ZOS plan to do about that @ZOS_GinaBruno

NewBlacksmurf

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf the current system for accessing the trade system does NOT encourage "social circles" in fact it actively discourages them because player may need to be in multiple trade guilds just to have enough trade access.

I'm playing about 20 hrs a week right now and I constantly see Trade Guilds spamming chat for new blood, and 70% of their spam includes "no need to be social, just trade".

All The Best

You're correct so the design is working as intended.
ZOS allows trades but their system is to encourage Guilds. As i mentioned above there are ways to trade but most aren't willing to do something different than another MMO they played so they just come and complain in the forums and say ZOS needs to change the game for them.

People have somehow concluded that a work around to auction houses is to form trading guilds. My observation is a guild needs to be run like a guild so what you see is often a result of guilds ran in way that aren't conducive to the systems design. Thus zone chat, etc has a lot of activity.

A in-game player enlightened me to a truly functioning trading guild that was a guild designed to be a guild rather than an auction house. In their design, the guild has guides, rules, and constantly communicate and are organized in a way that supports the games designs but also fulfills the needs of the guild members.

Thats the trick.....don't try and play this like another MMO. Play the game as intended.

ie. Playing basketball in baseball gear or football gear solely cause you like baseball or football more than basketball doesn't usually work out well.

Gidorick

Gandrhulf_Harbard

MCMancub wrote: »

Yes they do. Every game I've ever seen that has a central AH lists, for example, materials for crafting that are more expensive than the finished crafted item costs on the AH. That's backwards economics, and it's because of an AH that these economies are so terrible.

Have you seen how much a stack of basic Tier 1 mats sells for in ESO?
I saw someone selling stacks of Iron Ingots at 5,000+ a stack just yesterday.
About 20 times the value of anything you can make from them.

That has nothing to do with AH or Kiosks and EVERYTHING to do with greedy sellers thinking the buyers have the same stockpile of gold they do - which is a problem faced by any newcomer to any game with an established economic base.

The difference here is that the Trade Guild Kiosks locks new / solo players out of EVER being able to stockpile that level of wealth - so the problems are the same as with an AH system but there is no way out it for players on the wrong side of the equation - whereas in an AH system (which I am not advocating for ESO by the way - for reasons covered in multiple threads) that solo / new player at least has a chance of striking it lucky with selling a decent drop.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats the trick.....don't try and play this like another MMO. Play the game as intended.

I believe, as per the pre-launch advertising and the blurb on the boxed copy, that game is designed to be played any way I damn well like.

There is NO intended way to play this game - that was its biggest selling point beyond the IP.

All The Best

idk

NpcOnStrike wrote: »

So my question is Simple " Will there be an Auction house in the game or No (if No than Why ?)

There are many auction houses in the game. They are called traders and can be found in major cities and elsewhere. Basically a decentralized auction house vs one central one as part of the ESO social economy design.

idk

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats the trick.....don't try and play this like another MMO. Play the game as intended.

I believe, as per the pre-launch advertising and the blurb on the boxed copy, that game is designed to be played any way I damn well like.

There is NO intended way to play this game - that was its biggest selling point beyond the IP.

All The Best

Apologies but may I ask of you can explain your comment in context to that which you quoted and the thread. Sorry, but it didn't make sense to me since no one is telling someone how they should play their game.

All the best to you.

Nestor

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

I saw someone selling stacks of Iron Ingots at 5,000+ a stack just yesterday.
About 20 times the value of anything you can make from them.

And go back in 29 days and it will still be there listed at that price. Just because it is listed at a price does not mean it sells for that price. More than likely someone meant to list at 500 and hit an extra 0.

Solid_Metal

NpcOnStrike wrote: »

That is just SAD to hear ( GAHs in my opinion is Cra* , if a Guild has like 100 Active members there is a very low chance of u selling something ) and especially low lvl items

tbh not true, i'm now in 4 trading guild, and i sell lot of low level material without problem at all, they even sell just in 1 day

and this guild kiosk system is much better than global auction house because it's hard to destroy the market price, since the kiosk will be scatter with different prices, it made the economy much more fluid and dynamic

Gidorick

Nestor wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

I saw someone selling stacks of Iron Ingots at 5,000+ a stack just yesterday.
About 20 times the value of anything you can make from them.

And go back in 29 days and it will still be there listed at that price. Just because it is listed at a price does not mean it sells for that price. More than likely someone meant to list at 500 and hit an extra 0.

I wonder how many people use store fronts as extra bank slots. List at a crazy price and no one will buy it.

Darklord_Tiberius

Another one of these threads because people are lazy to go searching for the best price?

That is all this is about, people complaining because they are LAZY. You have the option of 5 guild slots, say you do 1 for pvp 1 for pve and the 3 others for trade guilds; that's plenty of room to sell.

Lets get more useful posts, rather than lazy people wanting an AH.

Damn kids.

Naivefanboi

Sausage wrote: »

Guild Auction House benefits..
- Gives reason to join a guild.
- Gives motivation for a guild leaders.
- Players travel around the world, increase the zone population, and making the zones more vibrant.
- Help against fixed prices, and of course against idiots/griefers who buy cheap and sell high.
- Innovation makes this game easier to sell and separate from other games.

False
Pc add ons have a price checker, and basicly already turned the economy into a giant auction house. Granted console wont have add ons, but people can simply price check online.
How does a guild store prevent buying low selling high? That is stand procedure on pc.
Its not that different from other mmos aside from non optional lack of information in ui and chat logs being removed only for console ....
Zone population is irrelvant now the people at the guild stores wont be seeing any request for help, no chat logs.
And even then if people are browsing guild stores they are probably in the process of making/researching somthing and just looking for that last material so they dont have to go farm it.

I agree it can present a reason to join a guild, but from my experience its quicker to just farm and craft everything yourself instead of waiting for what u need to show up ina guild store, but thatsvalso why i never really used them zone was much more effecient!