Please Repurpose Craglorn and Increase the Experience from Quests...

tordr86b16_ESO · May 2015

Long story short... did a long chain quest and got rewarded *** experience. This is my main reason for never doing another quest here. Time+effort=not equal to gains. This is why people are forced to GRIND to get to VR14, it's not acceptable.

ZOS... I urge you to make grindlorn less grindy for people that are still leveling. Refurbish the quests to SOLO play and then ramp up the experience from quests. Id also like to see more repeatable ones or add more so that we can go from VR10 to 14 once we've completed them all...

I know you have plans to remove veteran ranks (unless you are planning on breaking that promise), in the meantime, the least thing you can do is increase the experience.

SeptimusDova · May 2015

I second what the mer/mer/Khajiit/argonian said.

Ourorboros · May 2015

+1

Zanen · May 2015

I was playing in Craglorn today and it occurred to me they've created a population problem by making the only place you can farm nirncrux the only zone where you need to group up to quest.

The instancing requirements of those two activities conflict, and the zone is always crowded but never has enough people wanting to group.

I actually really like craglorn as a zone, it's tuned about right for solo, but it needs some work if it's going to play as intended as a group zone. I'd prefer they'd tune the difficulty up, increase rewards, and address the farming issues as a solution, but at the very least they should remove the forced group barriers from the quest chains if they don't have the resources to accomplish all that quickly.

Really, it would be better if craglorn got some attention before the console launch wave gets there.

SeptimusDova · May 2015

I have yet to get a nirncrux nugget from the mats. I get them from writs. I have killed like 500 welwas though. Planted many flowers and chopped a whole passel of wood, and mined so many nodes that I hear the clink clink of the pickaxe in my sleep.

178 xp from a welwa lol

Rioht · May 2015

Never understood who there is such a small incentive to do quests.

Finish the storyline = horrible item to sell to vendor
Finish Caldwell's silver / gold = more useless items to sell to vendors.
Finish quests is vr zone = horrible xp, useless gear, low gold. Basically a small % of the exp/items/gold you could get by grinding during that time.
Complete craglorn quests = wow surprise, horrible exp/gear/gold.

Its like the game is pishing people to grind.

IMO there should be random quest rewards in all VR+ zones that have a small chance to reward the player with actual end game gear. Plus, you know, real exp. Might Mame it worth it.

timidobserver · May 2015

Repurposing Craglorn has no value to ZOS, so they probably won't be putting a lot of resources into it. I'd be satisfied if they just learn from their mistakes with Craglorn and release better zones in the future once DLC starts arriving.

AlnilamE · May 2015

No, please do not repurpose Craglorn for solo play. It's the only place in the game where grouping with friends doesn't make everything super easy.

The questline is really fun and I like helping friends and guildies through it.

Aren't there enough quests to do solo in this game already?

I agree that we could get better XP, both for the main quest line and for the dailies, and the rewards are, unfortunately, consistent with the rest of the quest rewards in the game: vendor trash.

Powtreeman · May 2015

Grinding is a great way to level up in many MMOs. Some MMOs it is the only way to level.

Lunerdog · May 2015

I'm still surprised at Zen's short sightedness, they nerfed the pants out of Craglorn xp to the extent that where ever you go in Vet levels 1 to 10 you'll find folk grinding like there's no tomorrow.

At least when Crag gave decent xp all the people who have done the games quest quest questing multiple times till they're blue in the face with quest quest questing could go to Crag and the grinding was pretty much contained in one zone instead of being spread out all over the game as it is now.

It's a shame as Crags a good looking zone but there ain't much point in going there as it stands at the moment.

Acrolas · May 2015

I'm surprised the mobs in Crag don't run away from you.

Or ZeniMax could make it a sacred wildlife preserve and give you a 1 million gold bounty if you harm any of the indigenous life.

Or if you go to strike something, Hermaeus Mora shows up in front of you and just says, "No."

It's already a bit ridiculous. Why not have fun with it?

Bhozz52 · May 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Long story short... did a long chain quest and got rewarded *** experience. This is my main reason for never doing another quest here. Time+effort=not equal to gains. This is why people are forced to GRIND to get to VR14, it's not acceptable.

ZOS... I urge you to make grindlorn less grindy for people that are still leveling. Refurbish the quests to SOLO play and then ramp up the experience from quests. Id also like to see more repeatable ones or add more so that we can go from VR10 to 14 once we've completed them all...

I know you have plans to remove veteran ranks (unless you are planning on breaking that promise), in the meantime, the least thing you can do is increase the experience.

Totally agree, get to it ZOS.

drschplatt · May 2015

I recently hit VR12 and went running out to Craglorn for some fun. Went out, got slaughtered in the delves and couldn't find anyone who wanted to group. So I decided to grind delves in PVP land for VR14. There seems to be some interesting quests and delves in Craglorn, just no reason to do them.

badbeansnub18_ESO · May 2015

Agreed. Craglorn is a waste of a zone at the moment.

Ourorboros · May 2015

drschplatt wrote: »

I recently hit VR12 and went running out to Craglorn for some fun. Went out, got slaughtered in the delves and couldn't find anyone who wanted to group. So I decided to grind delves in PVP land for VR14. There seems to be some interesting quests and delves in Craglorn, just no reason to do them.

If you are really interested in doing the Craglorn quests, check out the Lone Wolf Help guild. We have regular events there doing the quests, I think for all factions, but AD and DC for sure. Went through all Lower Crag quests there last night in about 5 hours with a couple new guildies.

AlienSlof · May 2015

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP here. As a retired oldie, I am often playing during the times when husband/friends/guildies are at work or schooling, and thus do much of my play alone. Although I'm not at the level for actually questing or taking on mobs there, I did spend an enjoyable afternoon the other day just exploring. Craglorn is a pretty place, especially when the sun's shining down, but it's so underused due to the forced grouping.

However, it occurs to me that my chances of finding these nirncrux things are slight on my own. The best solution is to make it scale from solo to group difficulties, so EVERYONE can enjoy it at any time of day or night, whether there are people about or not.

I just hope that future new zones will be better considered like that, rather than just excluding a large portion of the playerbase.

JimEra · May 2015

Wat is craglorn? Is it fun? Do you guys shorten the name to stuff like "crag" or like "hey man, goin out to the 'lorn"?
That would be fun

helediron · May 2015

Craglorn actually IS a fun place to solo. Ignore the main quest and go to delves alone. Solo the seven bosses. You need top gear, good build and some CP to do it. The XP is crap, so this is just for fun.

Enodoc · May 2015

It's the mob XP that needs to be addressed in Craglorn. There's not much they can do about the quest XP considering there are only 5 possible quest XP rewards once you hit 50:
499, 3742, 4990, 7485, 11227.

c0rp · May 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Long story short... did a long chain quest and got rewarded *** experience. This is my main reason for never doing another quest here. Time+effort=not equal to gains. This is why people are forced to GRIND to get to VR14, it's not acceptable.

ZOS... I urge you to make grindlorn less grindy for people that are still leveling. Refurbish the quests to SOLO play and then ramp up the experience from quests. Id also like to see more repeatable ones or add more so that we can go from VR10 to 14 once we've completed them all...

I know you have plans to remove veteran ranks (unless you are planning on breaking that promise), in the meantime, the least thing you can do is increase the experience.

That is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The reality is, we will get another 4 MAN "ADVENTURE FAILZONE".

AlnilamE · May 2015

c0rp wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Long story short... did a long chain quest and got rewarded *** experience. This is my main reason for never doing another quest here. Time+effort=not equal to gains. This is why people are forced to GRIND to get to VR14, it's not acceptable.

ZOS... I urge you to make grindlorn less grindy for people that are still leveling. Refurbish the quests to SOLO play and then ramp up the experience from quests. Id also like to see more repeatable ones or add more so that we can go from VR10 to 14 once we've completed them all...

I know you have plans to remove veteran ranks (unless you are planning on breaking that promise), in the meantime, the least thing you can do is increase the experience.

That is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The reality is, we will get another 4 MAN "ADVENTURE FAILZONE".

They've already said the next two zones will be solo. What makes you think they changed their minds?

Leave Craglorn as a group zone, but remove the 4-person requirement from quests (though I'm not sure how that would work for Spellscar).

tordr86b16_ESO · May 2015

helediron wrote: »

Craglorn actually IS a fun place to solo. Ignore the main quest and go to delves alone. Solo the seven bosses. You need top gear, good build and some CP to do it. The XP is crap, so this is just for fun.

Fun? fun is getting good loot you actually want to use. You wanna find people for the 4man delves that do drop some decent item sets? Good luck with that, I haven't seen a soul in a while looking to do these.

AlnilamE · May 2015

Really?
I see LFG delves pretty much every day in Craglorn
Unfortunately it's usually in the morning when I am doing my writs before work.

helediron · May 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Craglorn actually IS a fun place to solo. Ignore the main quest and go to delves alone. Solo the seven bosses. You need top gear, good build and some CP to do it. The XP is crap, so this is just for fun.

Fun? fun is getting good loot you actually want to use. You wanna find people for the 4man delves that do drop some decent item sets? Good luck with that, I haven't seen a soul in a while looking to do these.

Uh, i meant completely different thing. I know the XP is crap and loot is useless. I mean that Craglorn is becoming soloable area for VR14 players when regarding the difficulty. It is fun as a personal challenge to go as solo into 4man delves for those who otherwise faceroll the content. I suggest VR14s to try Craglorn as solo or duo. Most of the bosses and delves do not have any artificial group gates.

All ZOS needs to do now is to remove the artificial group gates like in Shada's Tears, Kardala, Spellscar and Missing Guardian quests and restore XP. Both are very simple changes - a one day effort. E.g. in Kardala unlock the boss door when all plates are triggered. Make them to "light up" when stepped on and stay on when moving to next plate. For Spellscar let one player to fetch each element and light up each switch one by one. The XP just needs undoing the hotnerfs. They anyway failed their target and people take more XP elsewhere than Craglorn offered before.

Keep the difficulty.

Rosveen · May 2015

I can confirm that delves are very fun to solo. But then I look at my XP bar and cry.

Off to Cyrodiil it is for the last 200k I need to v14.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · May 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

No, please do not repurpose Craglorn for solo play. It's the only place in the game where grouping with friends doesn't make everything super easy.

The questline is really fun and I like helping friends and guildies through it.

Aren't there enough quests to do solo in this game already?

I agree that we could get better XP, both for the main quest line and for the dailies, and the rewards are, unfortunately, consistent with the rest of the quest rewards in the game: vendor trash.

agree,dont make it solo,just increase the rewrds