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Do racials make a big difference?

wraithguknub18_ESO
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Ok,
So the question is simple. Does the lack of racials make a difference. For instance if I want to make an Argonian dragonkight healer...is that doable or would I screw myself end game>
Thats just one example
  • s7732425ub17_ESO
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    Yes, they make a big difference at extreme endgame.
  • Zanen
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    Yes, racials matter. You'll still be able to complete all the content with bad racials but for anything competitive they matter.

    It doesn't make as big a difference which of the appropriate races you choose for a build, each race brings something a little different and shapes your playstyle in a different way.

    But cross-resource builds like redguard casters or altmer stamina builds are just bad, it isn't that you can't benefit from the other stat but racials are percentage buffs, so you're buffing your lowest stats by a percentage rather than your highest.

    If you want to be a strong DK roll Dunmer, they're the best choice overall and great for every imaginable DK build.
  • wraithguknub18_ESO
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    So Argonian Dk Healer...bad...
  • Natjur
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    So Argonian Dk Healer...bad...
    I love my V14 Argonian Sorc Healer, but shame its not as good as my V14 Breton Sorc.
    Edited by Natjur on May 19, 2015 10:57PM
  • Julianos
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    yes they do except argonians
  • Wyietsayon
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    Not really. Depends on what you do. Endgame trials and competing for leaderboards, yeah, because you end up trying to min max a bit. Everything else, probably not.

    What really is more important is learning your role when playing with others in dungeons, and how you can use different skills and passives to support that role. Some races are more set up to help different roles than others, but aren't so impactful that they are mandatory. Helpful, sure, but not mandatory.

    What I'm saying is, if you love a race and want to do some specific role, you can go through nearly all the game content and be fine, provided you keep building and learning about how to play your role.
    Edited by Wyietsayon on May 19, 2015 11:49PM
  • Julianos
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    My favorite race is argonians but i will never create an argonian sorcerer. altmer sorc is the best %10 racial max magicka %8 bound aegis and %5 inner light combine makes a big diffrence for me. little drops makes oceans just like champion points and 1 always bigger than 0. thats my perspective. FYI: i hate most altmer race in eso lore lol
    Edited by Julianos on May 19, 2015 11:57PM
  • Jaxsun
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    Yes, they matter.
    "Learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist" -Pablo Picasso

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  • Julianos
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    drschplatt wrote: »
    No racials don't really matter unless you're trying to squeeze every little bit of juice out of a character for 1% end gaming. But for enjoying 99% of the rest of the game, they don't really matter much. If you want to be the best PVPer ever, then racials will play a small part or if you want to set a world record on the leaderboards then they'll play a small part. If you want to just enjoy the game, do trials with your friends, run small insistence, and mess around in PVP just for fun, racials won't matter at all.

    i enjoy the game when i kick more butt more butt needs more magicka :p B)
  • Julianos
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    lets say im dueling with another sorcerer but he is a nord sorcerer and im a altmer sorcerer we have same items same enchants everything is same and we both doing perfect moves lets say my racial max magicka gives %3 more damage per second extra 2k on my magicka pool so when we near end of the fight his magicka will be depleted before my magicka and i will deliver the final hits with my extra 2k magicka . There is a very thin line between life and death but there is a big diffrence between being dead or alive. So %10 max magicka is a big diffrence for me because its bigger than zero !
    Edited by Julianos on May 20, 2015 12:15AM
  • Worstluck
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    They do matter, but like the others stated, it really depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a Redguard Sorcerer healer, go for it. Just know that the Breton or Altmer Sorcerer has better stats than you do.

    I don't care for some of the races, so I just pick what I like, but I do try pick a class/race combo that makes sense for what I want to do. I've always played a Breton Nightblade type character in every other ES game, so I choose one here. When I made my DK though, Dunmer made the most sense.
    Edited by Worstluck on May 20, 2015 12:24AM
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

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  • Julianos
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    im not even mention altmer %9 magicka regen its a life saver when you stack full spell power set you dont get any magicka regen bonus on them and this racial passive sorc passive and champion arcanist star stack awsomely. Another big diffrence for me
  • TheShadowScout
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    Do racials matter? Depends who you ask... for general gameplay, they don't matter all that much. You can play whatever you like, regardless of passives, and still have lots of fun getting through everything the game has to offer.

    if you want an "the best" award though, show up in some leaderboard somewhere, have that smidge of extra edge in PvP... that's when people get all worked up about the passives.
    "True understanding can be found only in the Shadow between Light and Dark..."
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  • Julianos
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    Do racials matter? Depends who you ask... for general gameplay, they don't matter all that much. You can play whatever you like, regardless of passives, and still have lots of fun getting through everything the game has to offer.

    if you want an "the best" award though, show up in some leaderboard somewhere, have that smidge of extra edge in PvP... that's when people get all worked up about the passives.

    " You can play whatever you like, regardless of passives," i like playing chars with most adventegous racials like %10 max magicka and its a big diffrence for me. And it doesnt matter how i suck or how awsome on leaderboards pve or pvp. Its about potential. My performance low or high it doesnt change the potential. And he asked our opinions and i answered yes they matter and make big diffrence for me.

  • DirtySmeegs33
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    Huge difference for competitive end game. Race is essential here. For any other types of content the game is very simple. No racial passives needed.
  • Sparky617
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    Racial abilities are why I have a Breton NB for my magicka builds and a Woodelf for me Stamina pursuits.
  • Julianos
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    Sparky617 wrote: »
    Racial abilities are why I have a Breton NB for my magicka builds and a Woodelf for me Stamina pursuits.

    yeah like me i ve dunmer DK and nord DK dunmer for dps nord for tanking
  • wraithguknub18_ESO
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    They need to revamp racials then. I want to be able to min/max an argonian! :)
  • patrykplawskib16_ESO
    Yes a huge difference, I'm a dps and i do 13-14k dps and I'm a nord dk caster while a dunmer i know can do 16k big difference.
    Dunmer Master Race
  • stojekarcub18_ESO
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    Yes, they matter. Thing is, though...in many cases(NOT all, but many) you can make up for what you lose. You're gonna get a lot of 'do this, do that' advice on these forums because in MMO's, especially those with pvp, you're going to have a flavor of the month build that everyone insists you do.

    Pick whatever suits you. as you progress, chose whatever suits you. Experiement a bit, too. There is no shortage of skill points in this game. DO NOT respec before hitting level 50/vet 1. Once you are level 50/vet 1, you should have a good feel for what you like, what you want, and how you should go about doing it. It costs gold to respec, and by now, unless you've went crazy with spending on nonsense, you should have tons of gold.

    Play some pvp, too...even if you normally don't like to...this game offers a really different concept of pvp. Give it plenty of time while non-vet, while you're normalized to those even at level 49. Find what you like. Experiment, experiment, experiment.
  • Cernow
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    If you're at all interested in squeezing the best performance out of your character, then yes they do make a difference. In some class - build combinations quite a significant difference, sadly.

    I reluctantly re-rolled my Argonian Stamina DK to Imperial and my Nord Stamina Nightblade to Bosmer. The difference was noticeable enough that I'm glad I did. In PVE it does't matter so much. But in PvP, where a slight edge can be the difference between staying in the battle or a long ride back, then it does matter. Would I prefer to play my original race choices? For sure. But whilst I'm not a min-maxxer, I'd prefer not to gimp my character more than my own ineptness already does :)

    Race choice should be mostly about visuals and abilities that add flavour, not performance altering abilities.

    They need to rework the racials so that each race has 1 or 2 flavour abilities and then at player creation (or a low level quest) the player decides how they wish to specialise. Specialisation could be extra stamina, magicka or health (choose 1), extra regen (choose 1 type) and a choice of elemental resistance etc.

    I hope they rework this soon and give everyone a free race respec so we can all revert our characters to the Argonian master race :)
  • Glurin
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    Yes a huge difference, I'm a dps and i do 13-14k dps and I'm a nord dk caster while a dunmer i know can do 16k big difference.

    So you can do 13-14k, but some other guy can do 16k, so racials make the difference? Sorry, doesn't work. Too many variables.

    The one and only place racials matter enough to be of any concern is if your goal is to be in the very tip top section of the leaderboards. At that point, you're trying to squeeze every last ounce of performance out of your character until there's nothing left but the used up, hollow, dried out husk of what he could have been.

    If your goal is to relax, have fun and not treat ESO like you're some way too serious character from an over the top sports anime, then racials just provide some flavoring and will not prevent you from completing any portion of the game.
    "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded the most harshly."
  • patrykplawskib16_ESO
    Glurin wrote: »
    Yes a huge difference, I'm a dps and i do 13-14k dps and I'm a nord dk caster while a dunmer i know can do 16k big difference.

    So you can do 13-14k, but some other guy can do 16k, so racials make the difference? Sorry, doesn't work. Too many variables.

    The one and only place racials matter enough to be of any concern is if your goal is to be in the very tip top section of the leaderboards. At that point, you're trying to squeeze every last ounce of performance out of your character until there's nothing left but the used up, hollow, dried out husk of what he could have been.

    If your goal is to relax, have fun and not treat ESO like you're some way too serious character from an over the top sports anime, then racials just provide some flavoring and will not prevent you from completing any portion of the game.

    After a bit of experience and re-rolling I can do 18k on trial bosses so yes there's a difference, your just blind and are not realizing it cause the smallest things can make a difference. you can even see im on the leader boards for AA HM and SO HM, characters name is Sir Fire Mage.
    Dunmer Master Race
  • Personofsecrets
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    yes, quite a bit. Even when not at the 'tip-top' of the leader board, having a good racial can help bad dps be good dps and make all fights that much easier.
    Don't tank

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  • KatzMainTank
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    Only slightly. As others have stated, there are particular races that go best with a particular class. You could always google it.

    Throwing that out there...
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    EP - V1 - Stamina NB
    EP - 49 - Stamina Templar
    EP - 46 - StamSorc
    EP - 24 - ManaBlade
    DC - 26 - StamSorc

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  • Milktray
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    If you want to min/max they matter

    If you just want to have fun, enjoy the game, no, they don't matter
    ZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing
  • Bromburak
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    Ok,
    So the question is simple. Does the lack of racials make a difference. For instance if I want to make an Argonian dragonkight healer...is that doable or would I screw myself end game>
    Thats just one example

    Of course its doable but you will not catch up with certain builds and never reach possible peaks.
    The question is if you need to and this depends on what you really wanna do later and with what kind of people you play.

    Many passives or racials cannot be balanced with sets or champion points. And keep in mind that patches did and will change some of your plans as well.

    Thats the real challenge in ESO , giving up old specs. If you think you found the perfect build and skills, a patch makes you re think. A good example is a magicka night blades because of weak stamina builds after release 2014. Armor and stamina based skills have totally changed this game in a couple month.

    If you rolled a strong magicka race because of that and now you wanna play strong stamina builds, your "old" race choice make you feel like a gimp now. One reason why many of us re rolled 2 or 3 races per class and a reason why this is frustrating for casuals because they want to make a "life time choice".
    Edited by Bromburak on July 1, 2015 8:27PM
  • iTzStevey
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    Sadly,yes. I've ALWAYS played a sneaky breton caster in the ES series using melee, but if i did that in ESO, id probably have to go as a full caster if i wanted the most out of my build.
  • klopferian
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    Racial passives can create synergies with certain classes and build strategies. So, let's get this out the way: some races do provide advantages for some classes and builds... that's right... I said it. Having said that, no races are actually disadvantaged (other than not being advantaged) in relation to the classes - there is no real penalty in trying to be an Orc sorcerer, but recognize that you may be outperformed by a Breton or Altmer of similar level and abilities. It probably won't be insurmountable, but it may be noticeable.

    As an example, a high elf templar focusing on PvE DPS might find that they can do more damage by leveraging a magicka build than a stamina build... but to be fair, this is influenced by other stuff (not to mention player skill).

    If I understand this correctly (and there's every chance I don't) your spell and weapon power are the big drivers for your DPS output.

    Check out evedgebah's excellent thread on the topic of how dps can be calculated as of v1.6 (your mileage may vary).

    (Ability + (Power x 10.46)) x Coefficient (taken straight from evedgebah's posts)

    This means that a spell power of 1800 is roughly equivalent to having 18,828 magicka in calculating your damage output. Captain Obvious says that means that you'd have add more than 1,596 magicka to offset a 150 point reduction in spell power.

    ...but this is where we begin to see a way to quantify choosing a magicka friendly race for a magicka intensive build: a 10% bonus to your maximum magicka means that if your racial passive adds 2,000 magicka, this is basically equal to the effect of adding 191 points to your spell power (for clarity, it *doesn't get added* to spell power - it gets accounted for in the ability bucket - we're just converting the magicka bonus to DPS power for comparison purposes). In long fights (and depending on your in-combat regen), that extra 10% also means more spells/abilities before the magicka well runs dry.

    If you prefer, you can look at it from the standpoint of attribute costs: adding 1,998 magicka/stamina would cost 18 attribute points...

    "Whoop-de-doo! What does it all mean, Basil?" Austin Powers (Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, 1999)

    Absolutely nothing. Play the character that you want to play.
    Edited by klopferian on July 1, 2015 8:47PM
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