Thelon Solos Veteran Elden Hollow

P3ZZL3 · May 2015

So could someone clarify how you get to 40k magika.

Is there a particular set you should be running. Not sure if there is audio as I'm at work

Seth_Black · May 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

First off, ESO is not WOW. Also, everyone can be President īn the USA, too. That doesn't mean they do, and certainly doesn't diminish the power of the office. Nor does it here for dungeon solo'ing.

No, it's NOT WoW, but like in any mmo soloing requires same three steps to do it.
I can solo AA first boss on my NB without problems (including all trash on the way in) and it only proves my point, that stuff like that is doable if you look into mechanics properly and time your abilities to the second.
ANY player could solo vEH with just 2h, rally, brawler, wrecking blow, execute, immovable and ANY ulti really.
There's just one BUT: that player must follow all three steps
One missed ability in rotation and you're dead.
Seriously impressive is, when someone does something that's in theory IMPOSSIBLE Like solo Skoria or Bogdan.
Just think how many players after seeing that video did same thing

Thelon · May 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

So could someone clarify how you get to 40k magika.

Is there a particular set you should be running. Not sure if there is audio as I'm at work

I've included a link to my build in the OP, it should answer any questions you have regarding stats and gearing.

Thelon · May 2015

Seth_Black wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

First off, ESO is not WOW. Also, everyone can be President īn the USA, too. That doesn't mean they do, and certainly doesn't diminish the power of the office. Nor does it here for dungeon solo'ing.

No, it's NOT WoW, but like in any mmo soloing requires same three steps to do it.
I can solo AA first boss on my NB without problems (including all trash on the way in) and it only proves my point, that stuff like that is doable if you look into mechanics properly and time your abilities to the second.
ANY player could solo vEH with just 2h, rally, brawler, wrecking blow, execute, immovable and ANY ulti really.
There's just one BUT: that player must follow all three steps
One missed ability in rotation and you're dead.
Seriously impressive is, when someone does something that's in theory IMPOSSIBLE Like solo Skoria or Bogdan.
Just think how many players after seeing that video did same thing

Let me know when thr vid of your NB soloing Vet EH and the first boss in AA is ready. I'd love to see it!

riverdragon72 · May 2015

moar sorc nerfs incoming

Thelon · May 2015

riverdragon72 wrote: »

moar sorc nerfs incoming

As a theory crafter, there is no greater honour than a nerfbat. It means you done good

Attorneyatlawl · May 2015

Thelon wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

First off, ESO is not WOW. Also, everyone can be President īn the USA, too. That doesn't mean they do, and certainly doesn't diminish the power of the office. Nor does it here for dungeon solo'ing.

No, it's NOT WoW, but like in any mmo soloing requires same three steps to do it.
I can solo AA first boss on my NB without problems (including all trash on the way in) and it only proves my point, that stuff like that is doable if you look into mechanics properly and time your abilities to the second.
ANY player could solo vEH with just 2h, rally, brawler, wrecking blow, execute, immovable and ANY ulti really.
There's just one BUT: that player must follow all three steps
One missed ability in rotation and you're dead.
Seriously impressive is, when someone does something that's in theory IMPOSSIBLE Like solo Skoria or Bogdan.
Just think how many players after seeing that video did same thing

Let me know when thr vid of your NB soloing Vet EH and the first boss in AA is ready. I'd love to see it!

I too look forward to seeing his video. Hopefully he does it in proper 1080p or better, and makes sure to show it is indeed his character doing it.

Thelon wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

moar sorc nerfs incoming

As a theory crafter, there is no greater honour than a nerfbat. It means you done good

Indeed. I have had that distinction for the dragon knight a few times... sad to see something nerfed, but then the hunt for a new paradigm begins again and is fun in and of itself

. However, I don't see the fun in handing out all f the best to everyone else like candy

, so I don't do so for awhile. May as well get to enjoy the fruits of your own labor for a time

. A point that seems lost upon others commenting regarding sorcs being horrible and unable to compete, with or without pets

.

Thelon · May 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

May as well get to enjoy the fruits of your own labor for a time . A point that seems lost upon others commenting regarding sorcs being horrible and unable to compete, with or without pets .

Haha will do, there's still lots more I wanna try to solo with this build!

Jaerlach · May 2015

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

LOL, and many sorcs whined that 1.6 nerfed them to Obilivion.

Nice to see proof it's an L2P problem, not a class problem.

90% of the time its a L2P problem... but you are right, its good to see.

Words of wisdom... . There are balance issues in MMORPG's but they are nowhere near as severe on the whole as people make them out to be usually. My sorc...

http://i.imgur.com/YPSs7Ur.png

...is in the first and only North American DC guild in 1.6+ to date to complete the Sanctum Ophidia hardmode. And not many across any of the factions have. Classes are not in general underpowered in this game, bar a few specific issues here and there or skills in some versions. The ESO build system is open enough it is much more dependent on the player .

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Yea.. although I agree there was way more crying that necessary on 1.6 PTS, a solo build is just that, a solo build. It doesn't really reflect the capabilities of the class in more common situations like dungeons, trials, pvp.. This reminds me of when Rimez posted a video of him soloing this same dungeon with his DK a month or so after launch. Everyone had a "omg DK op" fit, and certain things were way overnerfed (RIP magicka furnace, inhale), but in reality his build was useless for anything other than soloing. I know this build can also hit decent DPS, but it's not even as good as other Sorc builds.

DK still hits harder overall than even the best sorc builds (although not by a mile anymore, the gap is much smaller), especially with these Molten Weapons builds that can hit 20k pretty easily with near infinite sustain. And sorc DPS has weird limitations that DK and NB don't have. One of our dots requires us to be in melee range, the other its a really tiny ground target AOE. In otherwords we can copy DK's meta with the Skoria set, so long as the boss stands perfectly still and doesn't have any high damage melee mechanics.

So we're almost there, the meta is a lot more fun than Crushing Shock spam for an hour, DPS is close but not quite there and weirdly situational.

That's simply not the case. Proof already posted in this very thread . The damage gap between Templar, sorcs, and DK's s very minimal nowadays and each has other things they contribute to leaderboard topping trial and vDSA runs than just damage or just healing. Nightblades remain king due to some advantages you cannot obtain or compensate for on the other three classes, but have less group utility as their downside. Is balance perfect? Nope. It never is or can be. But we're pretty darn close currently as far as pve is concerned, with small caveats on a pure role for one of the three trinity roles of tanking, damaging, or healing, but great hybrids or pure play of the other two roles, per class. That's not a bad thing. Having a class system would be pretty silly if everyone did the same things .

Oh, and on nerfs? Inhale and its morphs still kick ass in most situations to date still. Magicka furnace? It was well known in beta and feedbacked, even got nerfed before launch. When it went live with no further changes , what do you think the first handful of people including myself did upon reaching veteran rank 1 and getting access to the AD vet zones? Nope, we didn't go dart to v10. Some of us just farmed a set of magicka furnace, then pvp'd and leveled up with dungeons and quests as well. People vastly overreact to good combinations they never bothered to look for and demand reactionary nerfing to it. Why do you think many don't post their great setups on YouTube? You already just said why .

Show me a 20k+ DPS parse in a trial fight or 24k+ Bloodspawn parse as Sorc and I'll take back everything I wrote. Also,

Nightblades remain king due to some advantages you cannot obtain or compensate for on the other three classes, but have less group utility as their downside

????? Most raid groups mandate at least 2 NB entirely because of how good Veil of Blades is in some fights.

Veils and novas can serve the same role and nothing really requires you to use both. We are certainly glad to see a veil in our group, but its hardly something we're going out of our way to incorporate.

Magicka sorcerors can do some excellent sustained trials DPS. In general, magicka dps is more effective in trials because of its superior sustainability via elemental drain.

Thelon's build is also very effective.

Sorcerors are good at a lot of things. They have some awkward things that make it difficult to learn the correct builds, or that force those builds to surrender flexibility (whether you are using pets or using spells, you are likely to run more toggles than most classes), but they are very good.

My only complaint is their dependence on force pulse for single target damage. I would really like freedom from the destruction staff.

Seth_Black · May 2015

Thelon wrote: »

Let me know when thr vid of your NB soloing Vet EH and the first boss in AA is ready. I'd love to see it!

I don't need to prove anything to anyone

Soloing stuff is a personal challenge and for my guild at least it's stuff we're doing to test our skills ...not for some 'likes' on YT

I don't need anyone's approval and all 'wow' 'cool' and 'omg'

There's enough of this stuff on YT already anyway.

And btw every class can solo anything now really. Just matter of picking right skills and strategy to balance your weak sides with stronger ones.

Thelon · May 2015

Seth_Black wrote: »

Thelon wrote: »

Let me know when thr vid of your NB soloing Vet EH and the first boss in AA is ready. I'd love to see it!

I don't need to prove anything to anyone Soloing stuff is a personal challenge and for my guild at least it's stuff we're doing to test our skills ...not for some 'likes' on YT
I don't need anyone's approval and all 'wow' 'cool' and 'omg'
There's enough of this stuff on YT already anyway.

And btw every class can solo anything now really. Just matter of picking right skills and strategy to balance your weak sides with stronger ones.

Thats cool, no one is forcing you. Video editing is hard. That said, bringing proof to support claims is usually a good idea.

Seth_Black · May 2015

Thelon wrote: »

Thats cool, no one is forcing you. Video editing is hard. That said, bringing proof to support claims is usually a good idea.

Do you really need a proof since so many players solo almost everything in ESO now?
It's all about gear and maxing out CP ...and boom - one guild takes out manticora in group of SIX
After gearing up towards max weapon/spell power (whatever is used) all you need is rotation maxed vs boss mechanics.
Just search yourself how people solo more stuff after 1.6 launched.
It's not really THAT hard any more.