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Sorcerer High Dps+Sustain PvP Build/Guide
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✭Love the video But I'm against using sword and shield on a caster
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Love the video But I'm against using sword and shield on a caster I just really hate that weapon :P
many of the best Sorc's use it
destro staff is definitely good too but the reason i didnt use it for this type of build is bcus if u run destro staff and crushing shock, the consumption of magika will be very rlly high and it will overwhelm ur regen, making u run outa magika very quickly, i'd honestly use destro staff, but with a different setup Bolterity's Youtube!!
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Love the video But I'm against using sword and shield on a caster I just really hate that weapon :P
many of the best Sorc's use it destro staff is definitely good too but the reason i didnt use it for this type of build is bcus if u run destro staff and crushing shock, the consumption of magika will be very rlly high and it will overwhelm ur regen, making u run outa magika very quickly, i'd honestly use destro staff, but with a different setup
Don't see your point, Crushing Shock is a lot more magicka efficient than class spells...DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Crushing shock is actually quite cheap. Almost as cheap as fury spam. However both options (and dual wield) are good!1
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.2
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✭✭Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
I didn't see that... yes, reduce stamina/blocking/magicka cost is far superior to any other glyphs...DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same timeBolterity's Youtube!!
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nothing2591✭✭✭nice build but i have a better one, 2 skoria 4 martial 4 healer 1 masters destro staff. cant go wrong with that VR16 nb rank 28 svampenn1 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)2
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✭✭Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism . DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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✭✭✭✭✭Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.<Noricum>
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Defensive stance is pretty much a necessity along with the block cost reduction. You can also enchant with magic, get nirnhoned for more spell resist, and it gives more leeway with choosing sets.Love the video But I'm against using sword and shield on a caster I just really hate that weapon :PCinn #SorcLivesMatter
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✭✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Defensive stance is pretty much a necessity along with the block cost reduction. You can also enchant with magic, get nirnhoned for more spell resist, and it gives more leeway with choosing sets.Love the video But I'm against using sword and shield on a caster I just really hate that weapon :P
It has it's uses, but is in no way a necessity . DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go Bolterity's Youtube!!
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism .
whats "oom"?? and im not rlly defensive, i am just annoyed about some people not understanding the point of the build...Bolterity's Youtube!!
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)
bro, if ur not runing outa magika with reduction glyphs and ur doing great damage. And if ur not running outa magicka with spell damage glyphs, and ur doing even MORE GReat damage...
then which would u take??? xDBolterity's Youtube!!
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
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If one has 32k magicka and 2.15k spell damage, another one has 24k magicka and 2.9k spell damage, buffed.Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go
Who will do more damage?Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism .
whats "oom"?? and im not rlly defensive, i am just annoyed about some people not understanding the point of the build...
oom = out of mana (magicka here)Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)
bro, if ur not runing outa magika with reduction glyphs and ur doing great damage. And if ur not running outa magicka with spell damage glyphs, and ur doing even MORE GReat damage...
then which would u take??? xD
cost reduction, since I wasn't using the highest damage I could in the first place so this allows me to increase both damage and sustain
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Skullemainia✭✭✭I totally understand you bro, if this build works for you and you don't run out of magicka, why the hell would you want to have more magicka and reduce cost glyphs instead of more dmg??? the only thing I don't understand (I don't play much PvP so I don't understand much about it xp) is how do you survive with only 12k health and 5k armor?? if you get sniped or fragged you're dead right? I can see that this build is working verry good on a 1v1 fast fight but on a bigger scale I think you will get in problems pretty fast, or not? please explain 0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Pixy is right that spell dmg gives more dmg per set bonus than magicka does :-)
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Skullemainia wrote: »I totally understand you bro, if this build works for you and you don't run out of magicka, why the hell would you want to have more magicka and reduce cost glyphs instead of more dmg??? the only thing I don't understand (I don't play much PvP so I don't understand much about it xp) is how do you survive with only 12k health and 5k armor?? if you get sniped or fragged you're dead right? I can see that this build is working verry good on a 1v1 fast fight but on a bigger scale I think you will get in problems pretty fast, or not? please explain
i got 18k if u didnt notice not 12k, 12k too risky, ik that muchBolterity's Youtube!!
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Also nirnhoned sword would give far more dmg than 3% crit chance :-)
hm... never tried nirn tbhBolterity's Youtube!!
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Pixy is right that spell dmg gives more dmg per set bonus than magicka does :-)
But magicka is still very good to stack for other reasons, and it still does contribute to dmg.
i cant find any reason to run more magika, i have tested it and ik that more magika will not give u more damage...Bolterity's Youtube!!
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭
If one has 32k magicka and 2.15k spell damage, another one has 24k magicka and 2.9k spell damage, buffed.Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go
Who will do more damage?Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism .
whats "oom"?? and im not rlly defensive, i am just annoyed about some people not understanding the point of the build...
oom = out of mana (magicka here)Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)
bro, if ur not runing outa magika with reduction glyphs and ur doing great damage. And if ur not running outa magicka with spell damage glyphs, and ur doing even MORE GReat damage...
then which would u take??? xD
cost reduction, since I wasn't using the highest damage I could in the first place so this allows me to increase both damage and sustain
that is true but the only thing is, u wont have 32k magika to begind with, most ppl average around 28-29k magika only cases were u go above 30k is when u run necropetence with pets... in other words what u said coulda have been valid if u were running pets only... and anyways if u do run 32k magika im almost positive u will not have 2.15k magika.
Point is, when u presented me the two options: 32k magika and 2.15k spell damage and the second: 24k magika and 2.9k spell damage... in both cases, U WILL NOT RUN OUTA MAGIKA!! meaning who gives a *** what ur magika is at when ur not going to run out??? when u get to a point where magika dont matter.... next thing u should look at would be ur dps, ur Damage.Bolterity's Youtube!!
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If one has 32k magicka and 2.15k spell damage, another one has 24k magicka and 2.9k spell damage, buffed.Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go
Who will do more damage?Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism .
whats "oom"?? and im not rlly defensive, i am just annoyed about some people not understanding the point of the build...
oom = out of mana (magicka here)Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)
bro, if ur not runing outa magika with reduction glyphs and ur doing great damage. And if ur not running outa magicka with spell damage glyphs, and ur doing even MORE GReat damage...
then which would u take??? xD
cost reduction, since I wasn't using the highest damage I could in the first place so this allows me to increase both damage and sustain
that is true but the only thing is, u wont have 32k magika to begind with, most ppl average around 28-29k magika only cases were u go above 30k is when u run necropetence with pets... in other words what u said coulda have been valid if u were running pets only... and anyways if u do run 32k magika im almost positive u will not have 2.15k magika.
Point is, when u presented me the two options: 32k magika and 2.15k spell damage and the second: 24k magika and 2.9k spell damage... in both cases, U WILL NOT RUN OUTA MAGIKA!! meaning who gives a *** what ur magika is at when ur not going to run out??? when u get to a point where magika dont matter.... next thing u should look at would be ur dps, ur Damage.
I do run around with 32k magicka and if I'd use my more on spell damage focused setup, I'd loose 2 magicka set boni and get on 1.9k spell damage. You need 1.8k for a buffed spell damage of 2.15k. That was already 2 weeks ago, I couldn't play for some time now - I had 155 CP, so it would be higher if I'd have played those 2 past weeks. And no, I don't run any toggle besides Overload and I don't use Necropotence. My Sorc is Dunmer, that gives only 9% max magicka instead of 10% for Altmer/Breton.
As was said already, spell damage set bonuses are more efficient to stack for raw damage than max magicka set bonuses. But magicka is good for various reasons, it gives damage, shield strength and sustain.
It's not a bad idea stacking spell damage, not at all - your problem is how you do it.
On one hand you even use 3 spell damage enchantments on your jewelry - very inefficient - on the other hand you run around with one hand/shield and drinks.
Your stats could be a lot higher if you'd just use your resources more efficiently.Edited by ToRelax on May 3, 2015 11:54AMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go
Max magicka has just as much an impact in your damage as Spell Damage does.
~64 Spell Damage = ~700 Magicka = ~1% Damage increase on tooltip.Edited by Pixysticks on May 3, 2015 3:39PMAlacrity
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭
3.4% damage increase for increasing max magicka by 2321 (8%).
So for me, 682 magicka is a 1% damage increase, and 61 spell damage is also a 1% damage increase.
682 magicka = 61 spell damage, or think of it as a 10:1 damage ratio if that makes it easier (it's close enough).Alacrity
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭
If one has 32k magicka and 2.15k spell damage, another one has 24k magicka and 2.9k spell damage, buffed.Nice vid. Just a personal opinion: I think you´re focusing way to much on spelldmg and don´t take into account max magica as a contributor for dmg. I´m reaching pretty much the same dmg values with 1.8k spelldmg with the addet benefit of having stronger shields.
nop, here is what no one ever gets, right now, spell damage is what decides ur damage, max magika has almost absolutley nothing to do with it...!!! max magika currently is only affect 2 THINGS: 1) ur pets damage 2)ur hardened ward strength,
and if ur saying u can do the same damage then tell me thing... did u do reach any 18k-23k frag hits b4??? in pvp? cus i highly doubt it, u dont need to balance out everything and have mediocre damage to sustain, bcus if there is a way to go all out fully on ur spell damage and do insane combos and still sustain, then thats the way to go
Who will do more damage?Ohh I really recommend you try reduce spell cost on jewelry. It makes a huge difference.
do u get the point of this build? the point is o go full on dps and not run outa magika??? cruhsing shock u say is cheap? well k, but when ur gonna spam it so hard in a 1vx, u wont go far before ur outa resources -.- this build is built to suit itself, nothing can change and its rlly good sustain with 1h and ur damage is rlly nice at the same time
You say you want to go full dps and not run oom, but you don't use full dps because you'd run oom.
Aha.
Also sure your damage is great with one hand...
There's no point in posting your build if you get so defensive when someone tries to give constructive criticism .
whats "oom"?? and im not rlly defensive, i am just annoyed about some people not understanding the point of the build...
oom = out of mana (magicka here)Just saying I think your build would be far superior simply by switching the jewelry enchants to reduce magicka cost :-)
bro, if ur not runing outa magika with reduction glyphs and ur doing great damage. And if ur not running outa magicka with spell damage glyphs, and ur doing even MORE GReat damage...
then which would u take??? xD
cost reduction, since I wasn't using the highest damage I could in the first place so this allows me to increase both damage and sustain
that is true but the only thing is, u wont have 32k magika to begind with, most ppl average around 28-29k magika only cases were u go above 30k is when u run necropetence with pets... in other words what u said coulda have been valid if u were running pets only... and anyways if u do run 32k magika im almost positive u will not have 2.15k magika.
Point is, when u presented me the two options: 32k magika and 2.15k spell damage and the second: 24k magika and 2.9k spell damage... in both cases, U WILL NOT RUN OUTA MAGIKA!! meaning who gives a *** what ur magika is at when ur not going to run out??? when u get to a point where magika dont matter.... next thing u should look at would be ur dps, ur Damage.
I do run around with 32k magicka and if I'd use my more on spell damage focused setup, I'd loose 2 magicka set boni and get on 1.9k spell damage. You need 1.8k for a buffed spell damage of 2.15k. That was already 2 weeks ago, I couldn't play for some time now - I had 155 CP, so it would be higher if I'd have played those 2 past weeks. And no, I don't run any toggle besides Overload and I don't use Necropotence. My Sorc is Dunmer, that gives only 9% max magicka instead of 10% for Altmer/Breton.
As was said already, spell damage set bonuses are more efficient to stack for raw damage than max magicka set bonuses. But magicka is good for various reasons, it gives damage, shield strength and sustain.
It's not a bad idea stacking spell damage, not at all - your problem is how you do it.
On one hand you even use 3 spell damage enchantments on your jewelry - very inefficient - on the other hand you run around with one hand/shield and drinks.
Your stats could be a lot higher if you'd just use your resources more efficiently.
i do already have a seperate build in the way ur talking about, but this build was meant to be different, my resources are efficient in this build, both stam and magicka are good, and my health is average, i dont run out only in rare occasions
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BOLTERITY✭✭✭Pixysticks wrote: »
3.4% damage increase for increasing max magicka by 2321 (8%).
So for me, 682 magicka is a 1% damage increase, and 61 spell damage is also a 1% damage increase.
682 magicka = 61 spell damage, or think of it as a 10:1 damage ratio if that makes it easier (it's close enough).
hm... i see what ur saying but i honestly am not sure how u got 39k magika... the mosti managed to get was like 35 but i had necropotence and pets, and i doubt thats what ur doing, see id defenitely go for a build with 39k magika and put reductions on my glyph instead on damage, not sure how u got ursmagika to 39k though... mayb CP's or hm.... not sure tbh. honestly didnt see any1 with that much magika yet.Bolterity's Youtube!!
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭So going a step further, for my character: 1 spell damage bonus on a set is a 3.6% damage increase. 1 magicka bonus on a set is a 2% damage increase.
1.6% more damage from having spell damage on a set bonus over a single magicka bonus.
But 2 magicka bonuses = 4% damage increase, so that is .4% more damage than a single spell damage set bonus.Alacrity
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