ZOS, how rare is the Valkyn Skoria helm supposed to be ?

Cyhawk

After extensive stat keeping (6 chars a day, 5 months every day + extra dungeons. I do a lot of dailies)

Helm Drop: 1/10
Shoulders: 1/3 (as confirmed by ZoS in patch notes, was 1/6 prior)

The weight and trait of each drop is 100% random

akriden

We finished about 60 Runs after 1.6. There were always a 90% chance for a guildmate, which received nearly 40 valkyn skoria helmets. No joke. No helmet drop for any other mate. Never. Sounds funny, sorry this is just frustrating. We can reproduce this every time you want. Just say a word. Perhaps it can help finding a solution.

Merlin13KAGL

RNG is odd. I've no Valkyn helms, 1 Grotto, and more of the others than I can keep track of.

At the same time, I don't think there is a single set I only have one shoulders for.

Sallington

The rule of RNG is that it only drops when you don't need/want it.

Teiji

Jorgeaux wrote: »

3 runs, 2 helmets ( 1 heavy and 1 medium ).

Still doing gold pledges for the shoulders, more than 30 boxes oppened

Done over 160 golds, no Skoria shoulder.

I hope you don't have to suffer this nonsense.

Valymer

Sallington wrote: »

The rule of RNG is that it only drops when you don't need/want it.

I'm no mathematician but that doesn't sound very random to me.

Sylvyr

Cyhawk wrote: »

After extensive stat keeping (6 chars a day, 5 months every day + extra dungeons. I do a lot of dailies)

Helm Drop: 1/10
Shoulders: 1/3 (as confirmed by ZoS in patch notes, was 1/6 prior)

The weight and trait of each drop is 100% random

Why would they have two vastly different drop rates? ZoSense.

Sylvyr

Tokens would be great. Then they could sell them in the Crown $tore.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

grimsfield wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

But yeah. When the RNG in this game hates you, it REALLY hates you...

The RNG in this game, as concerned to loot, is not really RNG. How many times have you been waiting for months for something like the engine gaurdian epaulets to drop for you, when all of a sudden two pairs drop one after the other. Same goes for Master weapons and weekly rewards. Even trial rewards; loot drops in bunches. The loot drop in this game is not completely random and it really could be worked better.

This seems like my observation as well. When I run DSA it seems like I can tell within the first 2-3 rounds if I'm going to be getting some good set pieces from the chests. If I get all crappy blues, I usually get nothing of value. If I get one set piece, I can almost always count on getting more from that same set.

yotanut

I just hit v14 on my DK, and began farming for Valkyn Skoria 2 days ago. I got my first Gold key at VR14 from doing the daily Undaunted pledge and got Valkyn Skoria shoulders (medium w/ reinforced trait). Then I started farming for helm, and after about the 8th run, I got it (heavy w/ well-fitted trait). Crappy traits, so I will continue to farm the right traits, but great armor for undaunted passive. I am a magicka build so having 1 med and 1 heavy works well with my other 5 light.

cote-bmsb16_ESO

I got all three versions of Skoria gear. Lol .. Maybe your luck is just bad.

My luck is terrible in vet dsa.. I'll never get a master's resto staff.

Pallmor

grimsfield wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

But yeah. When the RNG in this game hates you, it REALLY hates you...

The RNG in this game, as concerned to loot, is not really RNG. How many times have you been waiting for months for something like the engine gaurdian epaulets to drop for you, when all of a sudden two pairs drop one after the other. Same goes for Master weapons and weekly rewards. Even trial rewards; loot drops in bunches. The loot drop in this game is not completely random and it really could be worked better.

I played forever in the silver vet zone before I finally got a rare motif. Then I got three in one week. Go figure.

Shunravi

Pallmor wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

But yeah. When the RNG in this game hates you, it REALLY hates you...

The RNG in this game, as concerned to loot, is not really RNG. How many times have you been waiting for months for something like the engine gaurdian epaulets to drop for you, when all of a sudden two pairs drop one after the other. Same goes for Master weapons and weekly rewards. Even trial rewards; loot drops in bunches. The loot drop in this game is not completely random and it really could be worked better.

I played forever in the silver vet zone before I finally got a rare motif. Then I got three in one week. Go figure.

When the RNG gods choose to hold you in their favor, do not question it. Milk it for what it's worth.

RinaldoGandolphi

I have gotten 2 Helmets and 2 Shoulders(only one complete set) since October 2014 (6 months) doing pledges everyday, farming bosses countless times.Think about that...4 total drops in over 6 months.....in my case chances are not good, and i don't have time to level 5+ alts to keep doing the same nonsense over and over...thanks but no no thanks.

Cuyler

My experience is something like 20 Maw of the infernal, 20 Malbeth's and only 2 Valkyn's......it doesn't seem random. There's how many of these sets? Why is it 9/10 I'm getting a MAW?! I agree something doesn't seem right to me.

Helms are another story...I've seen 1 Valkyn in about 15 runs. Seems legit atm.

Sandmanninja

MMOs and boss drops are like that.
I (and many others) in WoW have run dungeons and raids over and over (with a WEEKLY cooldown on loot!!) only to have the one item we want never drop.
At least in ESO we can do it as many times as we want.

Islyn

Neighbor wrote: »

I got it on my first run, and pretty much everyone has gotten it within 5 runs. You ran it 30+ times? That's complete BS and you know it.

I WAS WITH SOMEONE and we RAN IT TOGETHER 33x LITERALLY and he did not get a hat in all that time.

Then we run it 34th time and he gets it. (I was there for all runs over a few days and it is true)
*ETA: but the tank switched for that last run

I know another guy who ran DC a BUNCH of times and no hat.

Locke_ESO

I really dont know what to think about it. On one hand a token or increased chance system is in danger of making things a bit too easy but on the other hand it stops a great deal of frustration for players and after all it's a game right? RNG has always been horrible in terms of rewarding people...

Honestly I doubt they will ever consider adjusting it even if it makes sense until they can start pumping out some content because without a compelling reason to run Vet Dungons, CoA and vDSA there isn't much of an incentive to play the game atm apart from PvP for vr14 players. Many of us have done those encounters so many times it's just about the prospect of a potential reward rather than a fun interesting experience or challenge.

Benawaw89

Valymer wrote: »

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Beyond that, put in the work and roll your 1% ish chance each time.

Work? And here I thought this was a game we play for fun.

game is fun for casual player. but to compete in leaderboard with end game gear like valkyn skoria, then its not fun at all , maybe fun after your hardwork , you reached #1 leaderboard and got all end game gear. that s why i m so happy that getting valkyn is rng and need to do it over and over, because its a end game gear. and all end game gear should be rng, BoP, and drop from hardest content. not something you can buy in guild store or trade.

sagitter

I got the first and the only helm (heavy) of the skoria set after 25+ runs. It's random. I got the engine guardian helm after 3 runs, but have done Darkshade others 40+ times and not droppen 1 anymore.

Valymer

Benawaw89 wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Beyond that, put in the work and roll your 1% ish chance each time.

Work? And here I thought this was a game we play for fun.

game is fun for casual player. but to compete in leaderboard with end game gear like valkyn skoria, then its not fun at all , maybe fun after your hardwork , you reached #1 leaderboard and got all end game gear. that s why i m so happy that getting valkyn is rng and need to do it over and over, because its a end game gear. and all end game gear should be rng, BoP, and drop from hardest content. not something you can buy in guild store or trade.

But in 1.6 PvE it's at best only marginally better than stuff I can craft, especially since they "fixed" it.

Certainly nothing that justifies running CoA over and over just to farm it and hope to get lucky.

I would gain a lot more power using that time to grind champion points, which will always stay with my character. The current Undaunted sets will in all likelihood go obsolete once they roll out some new content (albeit some months from now, but still).

The only Undaunted set I see as worth farming right now is Engine Guardian, and that is really only for PvP or maybe for tanks in PvE. As a magicka dps, I'd rather just stack spell damage or magicka...the difference is very small in single-target situations.

If anything, the best "endgame gear" is from PvP bags right now...and you can damn near afk grind AP, so I don't really see the correlation between skill and obtaining endgame gear there.

Valymer

And let me just say that I already have the Valkyn helm, infused. I am just commenting on the general time spent vs. reward aspect of it from an objective point of view.

Shunravi

Valymer wrote: »

Benawaw89 wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Beyond that, put in the work and roll your 1% ish chance each time.

Work? And here I thought this was a game we play for fun.

game is fun for casual player. but to compete in leaderboard with end game gear like valkyn skoria, then its not fun at all , maybe fun after your hardwork , you reached #1 leaderboard and got all end game gear. that s why i m so happy that getting valkyn is rng and need to do it over and over, because its a end game gear. and all end game gear should be rng, BoP, and drop from hardest content. not something you can buy in guild store or trade.

But in 1.6 PvE it's at best only marginally better than stuff I can craft, especially since they "fixed" it.

Certainly nothing that justifies running CoA over and over just to farm it and hope to get lucky.

I would gain a lot more power using that time to grind champion points, which will always stay with my character. The current Undaunted sets will in all likelihood go obsolete once they roll out some new content (albeit some months from now, but still).

The only Undaunted set I see as worth farming right now is Engine Guardian, and that is really only for PvP or maybe for tanks in PvE. As a magicka dps, I'd rather just stack spell damage or magicka...the difference is very small in single-target situations.

If anything, the best "endgame gear" is from PvP bags right now...and you can damn near afk grind AP, so I don't really see the correlation between skill and obtaining endgame gear there.

A few guys I know actually said their dps is better without it... So much for a rare set.

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO

Update for me, on my 26th run got the helm, heavy Sturdy trait, literally the worst for my build. Probably didn't matter but i put the shoulders into my bank the time it dropped.

PS. My dps has prob gone up 1-2k with my templar mag dps build with the set.

Shader_Shibes

Only done about 15 times, but no helm. I know 2 people who have dropped it on their first run (damn you)!! Shoulder wise im pretty lucky i guess, have multiples of each set.

Valkyn and Engine helm seem to be rare as rocking horse *** for me, the only 2 sets i want..........meh.

Valymer

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO wrote: »

PS. My dps has prob gone up 1-2k with my templar mag dps build with the set.

But what pieces did you replace with it? In lengthy single-target fights, the set generally does like 600 dps (which isn't all that much in reality)

AOE situations are another story.

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO

Yeah replaced my 5th Martial knowledge piece and a random shoulder piece without a set, with the build i am using it focuses on DOT for single target and AOE DPS, so does well, i think that is why. Check out Lightbringer build on Tamriel foundry, similar to that.

G0ku

150 runs at least, got one light, one medium, one heavy all with sturdy trait. Shoulders come in regularly.

Funny thing is whenever we replace one member of our 4-man-group, this one gets the helmet on his first run, mostly light armor infused. Our healer needed about 100 runs to get his first helmet.

I´ve done countless runs into the vet dungeons, got at least one set of every undaunted set aorund, only the head of the Maw of the Infernal never dropped for me until now.

Some of my chars have better drop chances than other, I guess I need to stop going for loot with my templar - but he is my main and I want these Achievement points for Undaunted. Still not done yet because I had to run with my alts to get the undaunted passives. Takes quite long when you have done the dungeon achievements before the introduction of the undaunted camps as these achievements didn´t count to the undaunted skilltree if you have finished them before.

BuggeX

I have done now 150 runs of all vet dungeons with the plegde, ~35 coa. 3 Usefull shoulders and no helm.....
Well i dont Need them anyway

inf.toniceb17_ESO

I had like 4 or 5 helmets (did about 20-25 CoA runs total). Not a single shoulder piece since i came back after release of TU tho. Not that i really need this set. IMO it's value is very questionable.