Armor Question

Vaerth

So, Light Armor Protects against Spell Damage

Medium is good against physical

Heavy Armor is good against both Physical and Spell

So why not have any (DPS, Healer, Tank) role wear all heavy? Toss on Magicka glyphs and Stamina glyphs? Apply correct CP and Mundus and call it a day?

Vaerth

Anyone else dislike Stamina builds for Nightblade? No ranged attacks

Takhistis

Err My NB Bow/2H build is totally stamina based... Full medium, more crib, sneaking, stamina

ajamison

I think Heavy armor also slows you down unless you have invested some skill points into heavy armor

PKMN12

nope, heavy armor is the only one that has major protection against anything.

Light armor has the worst defense (it IS cloth), but increases magicka and magicka regen, thus allowing Casters to do more DPS for longer periods

Stamina has slightly better defense, because it does the same thing, except for Stamina (which is in melee)

Heavy armor offers NO way to increase DPS at all, and instead is all about soaking up damage. If you are a tank, you are wearing at least mostly heavy armor, no exceptions.

Vaerth

PKMN12 wrote: »

nope, heavy armor is the only one that has major protection against anything.

Light armor has the worst defense (it IS cloth), but increases magicka and magicka regen, thus allowing Casters to do more DPS for longer periods

Stamina has slightly better defense, because it does the same thing, except for Stamina (which is in melee)

Heavy armor offers NO way to increase DPS at all, and instead is all about soaking up damage. If you are a tank, you are wearing at least mostly heavy armor, no exceptions.

So basically I get a tiny buff in regen and cost reduction to wear all medium/light at the cost of dying faster? Dead DPS is 0 DPS in my opinion. It clearly says that heavy armor have spell resist and physical resist on ESOhead skill calculator.

mfrd36nrb18_ESO

Hybrid builds are not effective in any ways, so choose your role and do it properly, that is the point of the little icons on your right when you press P. I hate grouping up with tank/healers that try to show off that can do both tasks good when they DO NOT. That is the only purpose of having alts, beside mules, to have each toon speced for each role. Or even having one toon that have well CPs distribution and gear but when the dungeon starts, that toon only tanks or heal or dps.

Stop trying to demonstrate that you are good tanking and healing (as an example) at the same time, nobody cares and ruins the fun on this game.

Some people claiming that they can tank and heal VDSA... I wanna see it...

Aett_Thorn

Vaerth wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

nope, heavy armor is the only one that has major protection against anything.

Light armor has the worst defense (it IS cloth), but increases magicka and magicka regen, thus allowing Casters to do more DPS for longer periods

Stamina has slightly better defense, because it does the same thing, except for Stamina (which is in melee)

Heavy armor offers NO way to increase DPS at all, and instead is all about soaking up damage. If you are a tank, you are wearing at least mostly heavy armor, no exceptions.

So basically I get a tiny buff in regen and cost reduction to wear all medium/light at the cost of dying faster? Dead DPS is 0 DPS in my opinion. It clearly says that heavy armor have spell resist and physical resist on ESOhead skill calculator.

You get a decent buff for both regen and cost reduction when wearing light or medium armor. Medium armor also gives you bonuses to sneaking, as well as a bonus to weapon damage if you're wearing five pieces.

Light armor also gives you bonuses to spell crit and spell penetration for wearing five pieces. So you will gain significant DPS and sustainability increases for choosing medium/light armor over heavy armor. Heavy armor is great for staying alive for a while, but after a time, the resource generation limits that it has will slow you down in combat, forcing you to rely on light/heavy attacks instead of using skills. So whereas a heavy-armor user may survive a long fight, the medium/light armor users had a shorter fight and as such they took less incoming attacks.

There are benefits to each armor type. If you don't think they are that great, that's fine, and all of your characters can wear heavy armor. Me, I choose the armor type that is best for the character I am making, and that may be either light, medium, or heavy depending on their role.

TheShadowScout

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

PKMN12

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

The "protection" light and medium armor has is basically non-existant

Vaerth

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

My heavy armor magicka build never has issues with resources, I use my Stamina to block / dodge / sprint and my magicka to buff or damage. I wear 7/7 heavy and have EVERYTHING else focused on max magicka for a bigger pool and more damage.

WolfingHour

Vaerth wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

My heavy armor magicka build never has issues with resources, I use my Stamina to block / dodge / sprint and my magicka to buff or damage. I wear 7/7 heavy and have EVERYTHING else focused on max magicka for a bigger pool and more damage.

So, out of curiosity, what is your spell crt/dmg and magicka reg/max? Or straight up DPS, for that matter?

I mean, if you reach values similar to those of magicka dps wearing all armor light there is no reason not to use your approach.

It's a bit weird if you DPS is on par with the rest, I guess, but this is what you get when you don't have softcaps. The holy trinity paradigm just goes out the window.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Because heavy armor is ONLY good for defence. LA give a giant boost to magical skills increaseing power and reduce cost and vis versa with MA with stamina and physical attacks. All HA does is increase health and defence that's it no reduce cost to magical or physical skills no increases to damage no nothing in the offensive group.

Hope that help clear stuff up cause if you wanna DPS the best choices are LA or MA. Ask me HA still needs some boost cause yes it's good in PvE but still kinda lacking in PvP since players shield stacking is a better defence than actual blocking or just having high defence cause that stupid nirnhond stacked with LA passives and champions skills is able to by pass like 10K spell res.

But yea my best answer to the question with a little bit of my own personal opinion.

Vaerth

WolfingHour wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

My heavy armor magicka build never has issues with resources, I use my Stamina to block / dodge / sprint and my magicka to buff or damage. I wear 7/7 heavy and have EVERYTHING else focused on max magicka for a bigger pool and more damage.

So, out of curiosity, what is your spell crt/dmg and magicka reg/max? Or straight up DPS, for that matter?

I mean, if you reach values similar to those of magicka dps wearing all armor light there is no reason not to use your approach.

It's a bit weird if you DPS is on par with the rest, I guess, but this is what you get when you don't have softcaps. The holy trinity paradigm just goes out the window.

I assume an addon is needed for that?

I put on 7/7 light armor and all my skills had the same damage, I then put on 7/7 heavy and the damage remained the exact same.

As for reduction to magicka cost and spell crit, quite simple to boost it with Mages guild and CP system now. So no, I wont go back to be ultra squish for a little more reduction when the CP system does a fine job with reduction cost and regeneration.

Vaerth

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Because heavy armor is ONLY good for defence. LA give a giant boost to magical skills increaseing power and reduce cost and vis versa with MA with stamina and physical attacks. All HA does is increase health and defence that's it no reduce cost to magical or physical skills no increases to damage no nothing in the offensive group.

Hope that help clear stuff up cause if you wanna DPS the best choices are LA or MA. Ask me HA still needs some boost cause yes it's good in PvE but still kinda lacking in PvP since players shield stacking is a better defence than actual blocking or just having high defence cause that stupid nirnhond stacked with LA passives and champions skills is able to by pass like 10K spell res.

But yea my best answer to the question with a little bit of my own personal opinion.

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

WolfingHour

Vaerth wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Light armor protects against spells and supports magica & spells...

Medium armor protects against physical attacks and supports stamina & sneaks...

Heavy armor protects against spells and physical attacks, but doesn't support anything but tankyness.

...and that's why casters usually wear robes, stamina DPS often wear medium, and tanks wear heavy. Though you can put out some decent DPS with heavy armor as well, just by using more heavy attacks for the recovery...

My heavy armor magicka build never has issues with resources, I use my Stamina to block / dodge / sprint and my magicka to buff or damage. I wear 7/7 heavy and have EVERYTHING else focused on max magicka for a bigger pool and more damage.

So, out of curiosity, what is your spell crt/dmg and magicka reg/max? Or straight up DPS, for that matter?

I mean, if you reach values similar to those of magicka dps wearing all armor light there is no reason not to use your approach.

It's a bit weird if you DPS is on par with the rest, I guess, but this is what you get when you don't have softcaps. The holy trinity paradigm just goes out the window.

I assume an addon is needed for that?

I put on 7/7 light armor and all my skills had the same damage, I then put on 7/7 heavy and the damage remained the exact same.

As for reduction to magicka cost and spell crit, quite simple to boost it with Mages guild and CP system now. So no, I wont go back to be ultra squish for a little more reduction when the CP system does a fine job with reduction cost and regeneration.

Foundry Tactical Combat will give you a dps meter. Everything else is on your character screen.

Your reply seems a bit... evasive? Rest assured that I don't mean to come around pointing and screaming "zOMG! bad build! lal!". If your build works for you that's great. If you are successfully running group content with it, double great. I'm just curious how your build fits in the meta.

eNumbra

Vaerth wrote: »

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

Not true, with full sets and the passives taken you get extra spell crit and penetration with Light and extra crits and weapon power with Medium.

Weapon power directly correlates to more damage and crits obviously lead to better DPS

Nestor

Vaerth wrote: »

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

Light Armor has a passive that gives increased spell penetration, so it does increase damage. It just does not show that in the tool tip for the spell damage. Since the amount of extra damage is really dependent on what your fighting.

I have a Heavy Armor DK, and I can keep him going on magic attacks for a fight, but I don't think I could run Trials with him as a DPS, a Tank, sure, but not a DPS.

I have doubled my protection on my light armor character just by adding in two heavy pieces (chest and helm) and it looks good. I also run a shield on my Sorcerer, Hardened Ward. Sometimes I stack another shield on top, but I don't find it to be required in the fights I do.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Vaerth wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Because heavy armor is ONLY good for defence. LA give a giant boost to magical skills increaseing power and reduce cost and vis versa with MA with stamina and physical attacks. All HA does is increase health and defence that's it no reduce cost to magical or physical skills no increases to damage no nothing in the offensive group.

Hope that help clear stuff up cause if you wanna DPS the best choices are LA or MA. Ask me HA still needs some boost cause yes it's good in PvE but still kinda lacking in PvP since players shield stacking is a better defence than actual blocking or just having high defence cause that stupid nirnhond stacked with LA passives and champions skills is able to by pass like 10K spell res.

But yea my best answer to the question with a little bit of my own personal opinion.

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

Uh one of MA passive increases weapon damage per piece of MA you wear and alot of skills are based of weapon damage now so yea MA does increase damage.

Kurimugann

From what I understood.

Light armor is for Magic DPS and Healers.
Medium armor is for Stamina DPS.
Heavy Armor is for Tanks.

Vaerth

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Because heavy armor is ONLY good for defence. LA give a giant boost to magical skills increaseing power and reduce cost and vis versa with MA with stamina and physical attacks. All HA does is increase health and defence that's it no reduce cost to magical or physical skills no increases to damage no nothing in the offensive group.

Hope that help clear stuff up cause if you wanna DPS the best choices are LA or MA. Ask me HA still needs some boost cause yes it's good in PvE but still kinda lacking in PvP since players shield stacking is a better defence than actual blocking or just having high defence cause that stupid nirnhond stacked with LA passives and champions skills is able to by pass like 10K spell res.

But yea my best answer to the question with a little bit of my own personal opinion.

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

Uh one of MA passive increases weapon damage per piece of MA you wear and alot of skills are based of weapon damage now so yea MA does increase damage.

Indeed it does, I guess for Magicka users Heavy is fine but Stamina DPS should certain have the 5 medium at least.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Vaerth wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Because heavy armor is ONLY good for defence. LA give a giant boost to magical skills increaseing power and reduce cost and vis versa with MA with stamina and physical attacks. All HA does is increase health and defence that's it no reduce cost to magical or physical skills no increases to damage no nothing in the offensive group.

Hope that help clear stuff up cause if you wanna DPS the best choices are LA or MA. Ask me HA still needs some boost cause yes it's good in PvE but still kinda lacking in PvP since players shield stacking is a better defence than actual blocking or just having high defence cause that stupid nirnhond stacked with LA passives and champions skills is able to by pass like 10K spell res.

But yea my best answer to the question with a little bit of my own personal opinion.

Medium and Light armor do not increase the damage, just resource regen and cost...

Uh one of MA passive increases weapon damage per piece of MA you wear and alot of skills are based of weapon damage now so yea MA does increase damage.

Indeed it does, I guess for Magicka users Heavy is fine but Stamina DPS should certain have the 5 medium at least.

Well the passive is only active for full set that means all 7 pieces. So what it really is right now is magic use LA sword swinger use MA and defence ((in PvE atleast) HA. Which kinda makes seance cause when you think of armor you'll use to survive in you think of fully plated armor like knights wore or when comes to a swordsmen you think of either of samurais form the movies wearing clothing or some assassin type guy in a skin tight leather suit.