Would you like the option to transfer crowns to other players in-game?

pugyourself

Feel free to elaborate or not.

SHADOW2KK

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

Aye I do, great gifting idea.

I and I dare say many of us would not mind gifting Crowns to family/friends.

And would still generate revenue for Zeni, win win situation.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

I tend to find polls that only provide options at the extreme end of possibilities tend to be of little value in determining people's views.

I fit in neither category this poll allows for.

SHADOW2KK

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

I tend to find polls that only provide options at the extreme end of possibilities tend to be of little value in determining people's views.

I fit in neither category this poll allows for.

Well tbh there are only 2 answers to give, yes or no, so there is your extremes there:P

And people saying yes or no with a wee explanation is of value, as it is giving the person`s view. (more so if they actually give an explanation why yes or no)

And if you fit in neither category, then why bother posting in the first place?

Revenant_Spartan

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

My answer is also NO when it comes to "gifting" items... because it will be 10% people gifting stuff to friends and 90% will be people making ingame gold for real world money.

The moment you bring a system in that allows it, it will effect the ingame market as people will start selling items at stupid prices to make enough money to buy crowns that are being sold for stupid amounts. What ends up happening is the quest rewards and item value sold to vendors become completely useless and the only means of making money is the AH. Then you have to compete with people who has more time on there hands and like to play the AH. And you can't even buy simple gear for less than an arm and a leg, even if the intention was to deconstruct or wear.

Whenever real world financial strength starts influencing the financial means your character has, it will screw the game's economy. Because it essentially becomes gold-buying (with 1 step added). No one would approve of buying gold directly from the crownstore - allowing a system like this is no different.

UrQuan

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Absolutely terrible idea for exactly the reasons @Revenant_Spartan says. I guarantee you that's exactly why ZOS set it up so that Crowns were non-transferrable, and so that anything bought from the Crown Store either gets put in your collection rather than being an actual item, or is bound on pickup.

SHADOW2KK

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

Revenant_Spartan wrote: »

My answer is also NO when it comes to "gifting" items... because it will be 10% people gifting stuff to friends and 90% will be people making ingame gold for real world money.

The moment you bring a system in that allows it, it will effect the ingame market as people will start selling items at stupid prices to make enough money to buy crowns that are being sold for stupid amounts. What ends up happening is the quest rewards and item value sold to vendors become completely useless and the only means of making money is the AH. Then you have to compete with people who has more time on there hands and like to play the AH. And you can't even buy simple gear for less than an arm and a leg, even if the intention was to deconstruct or wear.

Whenever real world financial strength starts influencing the financial means your character has, it will screw the game's economy. Because it essentially becomes gold-buying (with 1 step added). No one would approve of buying gold directly from the crownstore - allowing a system like this is no different.

Fair points, but then there are always those who will abuse a system that would be honourable in it`s inception.

WhiskyBob

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

This would lead to selling crowns for gold.

BuggeX

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Revenant_Spartan wrote: »

My answer is also NO when it comes to "gifting" items... because it will be 10% people gifting stuff to friends and 90% will be people making ingame gold for real world money.

The moment you bring a system in that allows it, it will effect the ingame market as people will start selling items at stupid prices to make enough money to buy crowns that are being sold for stupid amounts. What ends up happening is the quest rewards and item value sold to vendors become completely useless and the only means of making money is the AH. Then you have to compete with people who has more time on there hands and like to play the AH. And you can't even buy simple gear for less than an arm and a leg, even if the intention was to deconstruct or wear.

Whenever real world financial strength starts influencing the financial means your character has, it will screw the game's economy. Because it essentially becomes gold-buying (with 1 step added). No one would approve of buying gold directly from the crownstore - allowing a system like this is no different.

+1

pugyourself

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

I think I'd like to be able to give Crowns to my friends and family. Items are still bind-on-equip for the person who buys them. It's just me giving them the Crowns instead of the money to buy the Crowns.

I would love to see the option to gift Crowns to other players.

I'd probably do a lot of Christmas and birthday shopping there.

SHADOW2KK

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

pugyourself wrote: »

I think I'd like to be able to give Crowns to my friends and family. Items are still bind-on-equip for the person who buys them. It's just me giving them the Crowns instead of the money to buy the Crowns.

I would love to see the option to gift Crowns to other players.

I'd probably do a lot of Christmas and birthday shopping there.

Yup think pretty much the same thing.

Sorta similar to the Steam gifting idea as well, but in this context if everyone was moral about it, it probably would hopefully work out well.

But then as a couple mentioned earlier, the pitfalls of this grand thing are many and there are always certain people with the moral integrity of a gnat who would abuse it, but I think safeguards could be implemented.

asteldian

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

No, if I want to gift friends and family crowns I will PayPal them.
An in game system will simply mean selling currency for gold. The whole reason I don't care motifs are on crown store is because it isn't a way of buying gold.

P3ZZL3

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Gifting is fine. I have no issue with it. IT would just have to be account tied to whoever you gift it to.

That being said, I can already see 2 ways to make a profit on this so with a little bit of effort, it would be heavily open to abuse no matter how it's done.

Rune_Relic

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Revenant_Spartan wrote: »

My answer is also NO when it comes to "gifting" items... because it will be 10% people gifting stuff to friends and 90% will be people making ingame gold for real world money.

The moment you bring a system in that allows it, it will effect the ingame market as people will start selling items at stupid prices to make enough money to buy crowns that are being sold for stupid amounts. What ends up happening is the quest rewards and item value sold to vendors become completely useless and the only means of making money is the AH. Then you have to compete with people who has more time on there hands and like to play the AH. And you can't even buy simple gear for less than an arm and a leg, even if the intention was to deconstruct or wear.

Whenever real world financial strength starts influencing the financial means your character has, it will screw the game's economy. Because it essentially becomes gold-buying (with 1 step added). No one would approve of buying gold directly from the crownstore - allowing a system like this is no different.

QFT.... it allows external control of the internal market.

Tors

Currently there are few gold sellers, and few attempts at account theft.

The moment you can swap out crowns, people would start to see accounts hijacked and ransacked

pema

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

no, and the reason for that is. You can then get crown spammers in the game, just like we had with gold in the start.
People will be hoarding crowns for services or for real money.
I prefer to keep it bound.

The idea of giving some as a gift could be nice, but it will go trough the store not ingame. Kind of like Steam does it.

Let's be carefull not to break the game's economics by inviting people to abuse a well intended option.

Tabbycat

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

The only way it would work without destroying the economy would be if ZOS controlled the market the same way that ANet does in GW2.

Revenant_Spartan

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Tabbycat wrote: »

The only way it would work without destroying the economy would be if ZOS controlled the market the same way that ANet does in GW2.

Except that starts the horrible spinning wheel of ZOS making the crowns worth way more than gold so that those buying crowns for selling has an incentive (because who is going to buy say 1000 crowns if it only gets you 10000 gold?) and the cycle will continue to the point where the crowns prices need to be high enough for people to sell yet low enough for people to want to buy with gold.

What ends up happening? Bots and grinders...tons and tons of farming bots and grinders. The only way to make enough gold to buy them crowns. And what happens, honest Joe becomes Joe dirt because he refuses to use bots and simply can't keep up with 24/7 grinders and bots. AH prices inflate as a result to try and keep up with the fluctuating crown prices... and back to gold buying we go.

I've even seen like in Archeage how it goes. In a span of 4 weeks after release the prices of the game-tokens went up 300% or something stupid like that. And what happens, hoarders. Hoarders will hoard cheap crowns. Wait for the market prices to go up and then make an insane profit.

Sadly would just be degenerative to the game. It's Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Stockmarket Online. I say keep capitalism with real money out of the game. Period.

GaldorP

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

I remember when gifting was introduced for Lineage 2. People soon started giving items bought for real money to other players as "gifts" in exchange for ingame currency. In the end, it was just massively abused to buy ingame gold for real money.

Lionxoft

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Would you be ready to see this?

WTS 2500 crowns 300k gold. pst!

Terrible idea.

Danikat

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

I'm confused: are we talking about buying crowns with real money and then sending them to another person, or buying crowns with in-game gold? A lot of people seem to be talking about the effect this will have on the economy within the game, but as long as crowns can only be bought with real money (or via a subscription bought with real money) and the items are all bound I can't see how it would have any impact.

Sure people might offer to transfer crowns to someone in return for them sending in-game gold. But surely that would be handled the same way as existing gold seller tactics are.

SHADOW2KK

Yes, I think that's a wonderful idea.

Danikat wrote: »

I'm confused: are we talking about buying crowns with real money and then sending them to another person, or buying crowns with in-game gold? A lot of people seem to be talking about the effect this will have on the economy within the game, but as long as crowns can only be bought with real money (or via a subscription bought with real money) and the items are all bound I can't see how it would have any impact.

Sure people might offer to transfer crowns to someone in return for them sending in-game gold. But surely that would be handled the same way as existing gold seller tactics are.

If you use Steam for gifting to friends/family or your pet budgie, sorta like that.

BigM

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

If they do this then we will have.....

RedTalon

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

We don't need a system for in-game gold buying

Revenant_Spartan

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Danikat wrote: »

Sure people might offer to transfer crowns to someone in return for them sending in-game gold. But surely that would be handled the same way as existing gold seller tactics are.

Doubt it - because it becomes a grey area. Gold selling is strictly forbidden - but how will you selectively police "gifting items" for gold? It's an in game system that allows for it. It becomes too fuzzy. Where as current gold buying would require you too make a deal outside of the game with monetary transactions.

Tiitus

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

Revenant_Spartan wrote: »

My answer is also NO when it comes to "gifting" items... because it will be 10% people gifting stuff to friends and 90% will be people making ingame gold for real world money.

The moment you bring a system in that allows it, it will effect the ingame market as people will start selling items at stupid prices to make enough money to buy crowns that are being sold for stupid amounts. What ends up happening is the quest rewards and item value sold to vendors become completely useless and the only means of making money is the AH. Then you have to compete with people who has more time on there hands and like to play the AH. And you can't even buy simple gear for less than an arm and a leg, even if the intention was to deconstruct or wear.

Whenever real world financial strength starts influencing the financial means your character has, it will screw the game's economy. Because it essentially becomes gold-buying (with 1 step added). No one would approve of buying gold directly from the crownstore - allowing a system like this is no different.

+1

Alphashado

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

People would just be selling their crowns for gold. Terrible idea.

Thymos

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

No, because it would just create a much easier avenue for gold sellers.

jluceyub17_ESO

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

This is just gold selling, straight up

Bookwyrm

Would I like to be able to transfer crowns to my hubby or a friend? Yes. Would I like them to open up that possibility? No, because as others have mentioned this would open up the "Crowns for Gold" problem and we really, really don't need (and I don't want) that. Being able to buy "premium cash" for in-game cash always has terrible effects on the in-game economy.

Saturn

No, I think that's a terrible idea.

No. However, I would love the ability to have a Guild Wars 2 type system, where ingame currency can be exchanged for gold, because what do we need our millions of gold for, when there is not that much to dump them into ?