Lag.

Lyzaaa

I'm pretty sure U, zenimax are aware of the lag problem. Nontheless the communication between us ( the players, community ) and you as a company is terrible concerning the matter. I'd like to know if theres any word about this.

I like this game ALOT, pvp is like nothing else even tho i don't hop the zerg train. But the lag makes it completly and utterly useless to play. Theres nothing we can do.

Yes you are aware of this, but apparently theres not enough players complaining, I want that feedback, I like to know where the lag issue stands so I can decide wether or not I'm going to invest my time in this game for any longer or not.

Not to call anyone out, but if i don't get a response on this or the community doesnt on a very short term, I'll just asume the issue won't be solved in time ( or at all )

Regards,

Me, and probalby the rest of the community.

PS: I'd like to make this the community thread in general discussion regarding this issue, if anyone knows anything or whatever, this should hopefully be the thread to discuss matter. If theres already a thread like this open, good stuff but I'd like this one in the centre of all attention.

Kupoking

ZoS are like ducks in a pond.

On the surface they seem to be doing no efforts.

Under the surface, people are like : HOLY ***!!!!!!!!!!

Sinbaar

well, at least we get crown store updates almost weekly. *sarcasm on*

Lyzaaa

Guys, discuss the matter, dont make a fool out of zenimax, i want an update or useful information im being dead serious here. I've never came across a game that had lags this worse, not even partially.

dietlime

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

ZoS are like ducks in a pond.

On the surface they seem to be doing no efforts.

Under the surface, people are like : HOLY ***!!!!!!!!!!

1.) The developers are fairly confident they can solve the problem.

2.) It means re-engineering core functions of the game's networking.

3.) They don't know how long it will take.

4.) Marketing asks them to remain silent.

Any developer acknowledgement that the game has core issues still being worked on will kill sales and turn gamers away from the game permanently, because gamer's don't understand that software is never "complete" and it very likely will be ironed out. They know literally nothing about their own hobby. Since we, as a demographic, aren't intelligent or informed enough to have that conversation, ZoS can't have it.

Planetside 2 went though a phase like this also. Actually, heh, most of Sony's MMO's have. The early NCsoft games did, but sine then they'e been re-using a lot of back-end is my guess. WoW did.

Lorkhan

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Guys, discuss the matter, dont make a fool out of zenimax, i want an update or useful information im being dead serious here. I've never came across a game that had lags this worse, not even partially.

yes, this is a important issue.
one month already pass since Paul Sage wrote the "cyrodiil perfomance update" thread, but we still have a very poor perfomance. this is a serios problem.

dietlime

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Guys, discuss the matter, dont make a fool out of zenimax, i want an update or useful information im being dead serious here. I've never came across a game that had lags this worse, not even partially.

But let's be real here, it's intermittent. One second you're posting 120-200 ping, which is actually amazing for an MMO like this and even 250 ping would be playable; the next it spikes to over 900. Then it goes right back.

It's definitely some issue with the game's design, not just typical server failure which would be much more all-or-nothing. It's a really challenging issue to solve, possibly the most challenging thing you can attempt to design in game terms.

Kupoking

dietlime wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

ZoS are like ducks in a pond.

On the surface they seem to be doing no efforts.

Under the surface, people are like : HOLY ***!!!!!!!!!!

1.) The developers are fairly confident they can solve the problem.

2.) It means re-engineering core functions of the game's networking.

3.) They don't know how long it will take.

4.) Marketing asks them to remain silent.

Any developer acknowledgement that the game has core issues still being worked on will kill sales and turn gamers away from the game permanently, because gamer's don't understand that software is never "complete" and it very likely will be ironed out. They know literally nothing about their own hobby. Since we, as a demographic, aren't intelligent or informed enough to have that conversation, ZoS can't have it.

Planetside 2 went though a phase like this also. Actually, heh, most of Sony's MMO's have. The early NCsoft games did, but sine then they'e been re-using a lot of back-end is my guess. WoW did.

Same with wow at its beginning. They had to give free months to suscribers because of outrageous downtimes

Sacadon

dietlime wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Guys, discuss the matter, dont make a fool out of zenimax, i want an update or useful information im being dead serious here. I've never came across a game that had lags this worse, not even partially.

But let's be real here, it's intermittent. One second you're posting 120-200 ping, which is actually amazing for an MMO like this and even 250 ping would be playable; the next it spikes to over 900. Then it goes right back.

It's definitely some issue with the game's design, not just typical server failure which would be much more all-or-nothing. It's a really challenging issue to solve, possibly the most challenging thing you can attempt to design in game terms.

PvE is intermittent, PvP has very specific and noticeable patterns (> 12 players repeated use of certain AoE). Agreed, it's game design (but that's easy to say too).

NeoXanthus

Lyzaa, where’re you seeing this lag? I have seen a few of these threads pop-up and I kind of curious now I really want to know where this lag is. I have been playing ESO sense the beta and all I have been seeing is an increase in over all speed sense the last few updates. I play a vr14 NB in Thornblade almost every day after work and on the weekends. My network connection by today’s standards is by no means overkill it is mid grade Comcast biz connection at 75 down 15 up. My computer is on the high end but I don’t think this is a reason I am not experiencing any lag whatsoever.

Sacadon

dietlime wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

ZoS are like ducks in a pond.

On the surface they seem to be doing no efforts.

Under the surface, people are like : HOLY ***!!!!!!!!!!

1.) The developers are fairly confident they can solve the problem.

2.) It means re-engineering core functions of the game's networking.

3.) They don't know how long it will take.

4.) Marketing asks them to remain silent.

Any developer acknowledgement that the game has core issues still being worked on will kill sales and turn gamers away from the game permanently, because gamer's don't understand that software is never "complete" and it very likely will be ironed out. They know literally nothing about their own hobby. Since we, as a demographic, aren't intelligent or informed enough to have that conversation, ZoS can't have it.

Planetside 2 went though a phase like this also. Actually, heh, most of Sony's MMO's have. The early NCsoft games did, but sine then they'e been re-using a lot of back-end is my guess. WoW did.

Re: 1) above. If that's a statement, then please share when ZOS made it as I've never heard them speak to there confidence in resolving PvP lag with anything other than "oops" and "we're working on it" and "in the meantime it'll be less if you spread out".

Lyzaaa

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaa, where’re you seeing this lag? I have seen a few of these threads pop-up and I kind of curious now I really want to know where this lag is. I have been playing ESO sense the beta and all I have been seeing is an increase in over all speed sense the last few updates. I play a vr14 NB in Thornblade almost every day after work and on the weekends. My network connection by today’s standards is by no means overkill it is mid grade Comcast biz connection at 75 down 15 up. My computer is on the high end but I don’t think this is a reason I am not experiencing any lag whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with ur connection, its a server sided issue. It's on EU. If you're playing on EU and u didnt experience lag on thornblade, I have no idea how.

But i guess ur on NA

Sacadon

If you've not already, suggest you read this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157157/update-on-cyrodiil-performance#latest

Heromofo

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Guys, discuss the matter, dont make a fool out of zenimax, i want an update or useful information im being dead serious here. I've never came across a game that had lags this worse, not even partially.

Agreed guys keep it clean in looking at eso again for ps4. After been a beta tester and spending a few months live i gave up. It was a very sad day but eso was not in a good shape. I have decided to give them another chance for the console version. I plan to get my mates to give it another try as well. But i jumped on the computer and the lag is insane. Now i dont remember it been that bad last time around. So i would like answer this week before i convince anyone else to give eso a second chance.

Thanks Zenimax

dramsb14_ESO

Sacadon wrote: »

If you've not already, suggest you read this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157157/update-on-cyrodiil-performance#latest

Translation:

We don't know how to fix it, please play in smaller groups.

NeoXanthus

Lyzaaa wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaa, where’re you seeing this lag? I have seen a few of these threads pop-up and I kind of curious now I really want to know where this lag is. I have been playing ESO sense the beta and all I have been seeing is an increase in over all speed sense the last few updates. I play a vr14 NB in Thornblade almost every day after work and on the weekends. My network connection by today’s standards is by no means overkill it is mid grade Comcast biz connection at 75 down 15 up. My computer is on the high end but I don’t think this is a reason I am not experiencing any lag whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with ur connection, its a server sided issue. It's on EU. If you're playing on EU and u didnt experience lag on thornblade, I have no idea how.

But i guess ur on NA

Yes I am NA and it runs great, better than ever.

Lorkhan

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaa, where’re you seeing this lag? I have seen a few of these threads pop-up and I kind of curious now I really want to know where this lag is. I have been playing ESO sense the beta and all I have been seeing is an increase in over all speed sense the last few updates. I play a vr14 NB in Thornblade almost every day after work and on the weekends. My network connection by today’s standards is by no means overkill it is mid grade Comcast biz connection at 75 down 15 up. My computer is on the high end but I don’t think this is a reason I am not experiencing any lag whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with ur connection, its a server sided issue. It's on EU. If you're playing on EU and u didnt experience lag on thornblade, I have no idea how.

But i guess ur on NA

Yes I am NA and it runs great, better than ever.

everyday after work? i guess you work at night then

Lorkhan

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Lyzaa, where’re you seeing this lag? I have seen a few of these threads pop-up and I kind of curious now I really want to know where this lag is. I have been playing ESO sense the beta and all I have been seeing is an increase in over all speed sense the last few updates. I play a vr14 NB in Thornblade almost every day after work and on the weekends. My network connection by today’s standards is by no means overkill it is mid grade Comcast biz connection at 75 down 15 up. My computer is on the high end but I don’t think this is a reason I am not experiencing any lag whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with ur connection, its a server sided issue. It's on EU. If you're playing on EU and u didnt experience lag on thornblade, I have no idea how.

But i guess ur on NA

Yes I am NA and it runs great, better than ever.

here @NeoXanthus , let me show you how is lag EVERY night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGYuzKlZNI0

Lorkhan

another recent video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvrbN6XfXzA

inMorsAeterna

dietlime wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

ZoS are like ducks in a pond.

On the surface they seem to be doing no efforts.

Under the surface, people are like : HOLY ***!!!!!!!!!!

1.) The developers are fairly confident they can solve the problem.

2.) It means re-engineering core functions of the game's networking.

3.) They don't know how long it will take.

4.) Marketing asks them to remain silent.

Any developer acknowledgement that the game has core issues still being worked on will kill sales and turn gamers away from the game permanently, because gamer's don't understand that software is never "complete" and it very likely will be ironed out. They know literally nothing about their own hobby. Since we, as a demographic, aren't intelligent or informed enough to have that conversation, ZoS can't have it.

Planetside 2 went though a phase like this also. Actually, heh, most of Sony's MMO's have. The early NCsoft games did, but sine then they'e been re-using a lot of back-end is my guess. WoW did.

The logic pans out; I hope you are correct. +1

Sacadon

dramsb14_ESO wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

If you've not already, suggest you read this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157157/update-on-cyrodiil-performance#latest

Translation:

We don't know how to fix it, please play in smaller groups.

Precisely

dramsb14_ESO

One can only hope that (with the current focus on the console) that the lag for console players will be somewhat improved upon by launch....

Cathrin

Today I took a ride from the stables in Craglorn to the WS near. Tha game took me to a loading screen twice on that ride
It is not only a PVP lag problem, characters take ages to load, sometimes I run and end up in a group of enemies, that just have been loaded.

Artemiisia

next patch in crown store:

Lag-Free potions

eserras7b16_ESO

Zenimax.. you might get some population on consoles, doubt there's a lot really... but you've sure lost milions of PvP players wich would be there if Lag in zcyrodil was non-existant.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

I really think PvP for the PC game is toast, because I doubt they will be able to fix it before everyone has left in disgust.

The official thread about the issue turned into a place for rage posts, and the developers did not say one word after the inital post. Now, after a month of silence on the matter, that thread moved off the sticky list and is going to be forgotten soon.

SHADOW2KK

Artemiisia wrote: »

next patch in crown store:

Lag-Free potions

Hehe already came up with that a few days ago in a rant.

I can feel another rant coming on about the lag, so I shall stop there.

But never fear, its being "worked" on...ye right...