What was the point of changing the ulti gain and animations??????

vortexman11

Ishammael wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Making everything "fair" is never actually "fair" to everyone. They should have kept a dynamic ultimate gain system and toned down gain from things like streak and impulse, instead of this boring crap that we have now.

Agreed

Double agreed

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

Rune_Relic wrote: »

It was so the game couldnt be exploited to the max by specific classes and builds.
Its called balance I guess.
Ellite players are usually far more interested in finding godmode hax than balance though.
Then get all defensive and say things like casual and carebear because ZOS took their toys away.

Can we all just stop calling it "balance" and call it what it really is? "Neuter". Every nerf ZOS puts in place to "Balance" the game just neuters it, plain and simple.

Tintinabula

heavy and light attacks..use them...you'll not have any problem gaining ult.

Huntler

Tintinabula wrote: »

heavy and light attacks..use them...you'll not have any problem gaining ult.

You're that guy.... that guy at a party that kind of walks up and well yeah.

Tintinabula

Huntler wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

heavy and light attacks..use them...you'll not have any problem gaining ult.

You're that guy.... that guy at a party that kind of walks up and well yeah.

what?..I'm with Ezareth on this one..I have an ultimate up almost always and if there's a lot of targets it's crazy.

Huntler

Tintinabula wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

heavy and light attacks..use them...you'll not have any problem gaining ult.

You're that guy.... that guy at a party that kind of walks up and well yeah.

what?..I'm with Ezareth on this one..I have an ultimate up almost always and if there's a lot of targets it's crazy.

The guy at the party never gets it either....

Tintinabula

If you guys are complaining about the fact that Ultimates themselves don't generate ULT anymore or as much..suck it up..I played a year with Dragon leap not gaining any ult when it killed multiple targets.

Huntler

Tintinabula wrote: »

If you guys are complaining about the fact that Ultimates themselves don't generate ULT anymore or as much..suck it up..I played a year with Dragon leap not gaining any ult when it killed multiple targets.

Maulkin

I like the ult generation in 1.6 much much much better than in 1.5

I don't see what your problem is Jurra and Lasto. You can still gain ultimate much faster than others by simply killing people and the Combat Frenzy passive.

The previous system was flawed to the core for me. DoTs and Hots generating ultimate with each tick, ultimate for every block. Thus a block-casting, DoT-stacking meta that allowed certain builds to drop ulties as frequently as if they were skills. Healing Spring spam, to build up ulties before fights.

I'm sorry, but if that's what you reminisce, I'm not with you. Not one bit.

Etaniel

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Maulkin

Etaniel wrote: »

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Look man I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks. Block cost reduction rings, charge in, talons, inhale, cinder storm, impulse or engulfing flames, get 3-4 dots going per person around, drop bats, battler-roar, get 2-3 kills, drops bats again, repeat, never let go of RMB.

But it was rather stupid and cheesy imo. You can still tank but you can't kill. You can still kill but you can't tank.

Just adapt. Get some people in the group to tank and CC while others do the damage and switch to your damage build when you're playing solo.

I kinda like what this patch did to the game overall. Sure there are issues that arose from the removal of softcaps like the sustain and burst damage, but overall I think it's been good.

Etaniel

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Look man I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks. Block cost reduction rings, charge in, talons, inhale, cinder storm, impulse or engulfing flames, get 3-4 dots going per person around, drop bats, battler-roar, get 2-3 kills, drops bats again, repeat, never let go of RMB.

But it was rather stupid and cheesy imo. You can still tank but you can't kill. You can still kill but you can't tank.

Just adapt. Get some people in the group to tank and CC while others do the damage and switch to your damage build when you're playing solo.

I kinda like what this patch did to the game overall. Sure there are issues that arose from the removal of softcaps like the sustain and burst damage, but overall I think it's been good.

Even though i want to throw a bunch of valid arguments at you about why 1.5 dk didn't deserve that big a nerf, what's the point. Plus i'm having fun with my DK atm so all's well I still think the new ulti generation system isn't flawless and needs some tweaking.

Juraigr

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I like the ult generation in 1.6 much much much better than in 1.5

I don't see what your problem is Jurra and Lasto. You can still gain ultimate much faster than others by simply killing people and the Combat Frenzy passive.

The previous system was flawed to the core for me. DoTs and Hots generating ultimate with each tick, ultimate for every block. Thus a block-casting, DoT-stacking meta that allowed certain builds to drop ulties as frequently as if they were skills. Healing Spring spam, to build up ulties before fights.

I'm sorry, but if that's what you reminisce, I'm not with you. Not one bit.

Dynamic ultimate mate not this static bs, for me I agree that dks had it easy for building up ulti I still blame scrubs for it. Healing springs generating ultimate outside of combat was nonsense that had to change, I like the gain in small fights with other small groups but what annoys me is the fact that when 8 people go up against 24 everyone gains it at the same rate which is bs, you shouldn't have an easier time playing just because of numbers.

Dynamic ulti gain for me allowed small numbers to wipe large group due to having stronger utility using ultimates, now zergs have a much easier time steamrolling imho. This system is flawed as the weak are inline with the strong because they don't have to worry about getting bombed to kingdom come by an organised bomb group of 10, you can still do it but it's far more difficult

Rune_Relic

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

It was so the game couldnt be exploited to the max by specific classes and builds.
Its called balance I guess.
Ellite players are usually far more interested in finding godmode hax than balance though.
Then get all defensive and say things like casual and carebear because ZOS took their toys away.

Can we all just stop calling it "balance" and call it what it really is? "Neuter". Every nerf ZOS puts in place to "Balance" the game just neuters it, plain and simple.

You can call it neuter.
I will call it balance

Maulkin

Etaniel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Look man I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks. Block cost reduction rings, charge in, talons, inhale, cinder storm, impulse or engulfing flames, get 3-4 dots going per person around, drop bats, battler-roar, get 2-3 kills, drops bats again, repeat, never let go of RMB.

But it was rather stupid and cheesy imo. You can still tank but you can't kill. You can still kill but you can't tank.

Just adapt. Get some people in the group to tank and CC while others do the damage and switch to your damage build when you're playing solo.

I kinda like what this patch did to the game overall. Sure there are issues that arose from the removal of softcaps like the sustain and burst damage, but overall I think it's been good.

Even though i want to throw a bunch of valid arguments at you about why 1.5 dk didn't deserve that big a nerf, what's the point. Plus i'm having fun with my DK atm so all's well I still think the new ulti generation system isn't flawless and needs some tweaking.

That's contrary to what I'm saying.

I also don't think DK needed any nerfing but that's BECAUSE the issue was ult generation, which has been sorted. Reducing the banner at 200, having Cinder Storm give you dodge chance while inside it, having Scales reflect unlimited projectiles.... yeah I can get behind all that.

But only given that you can't block forever as a magicka build and you won't get Bats every 6".

I'm glad you're having fun with the DK, it's still a pretty awesome class. Doesn't that show that it's in a good place in 1.6 and you didn't really need the ridiculous ult gen in the first place?

Lava_Croft

Deal with it. The new system seems to be working just fine.

Oughash

Juraigr wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I like the ult generation in 1.6 much much much better than in 1.5

I don't see what your problem is Jurra and Lasto. You can still gain ultimate much faster than others by simply killing people and the Combat Frenzy passive.

The previous system was flawed to the core for me. DoTs and Hots generating ultimate with each tick, ultimate for every block. Thus a block-casting, DoT-stacking meta that allowed certain builds to drop ulties as frequently as if they were skills. Healing Spring spam, to build up ulties before fights.

I'm sorry, but if that's what you reminisce, I'm not with you. Not one bit.

Dynamic ultimate mate not this static bs, for me I agree that dks had it easy for building up ulti I still blame scrubs for it. Healing springs generating ultimate outside of combat was nonsense that had to change, I like the gain in small fights with other small groups but what annoys me is the fact that when 8 people go up against 24 everyone gains it at the same rate which is bs, you shouldn't have an easier time playing just because of numbers.

Dynamic ulti gain for me allowed small numbers to wipe large group due to having stronger utility using ultimates, now zergs have a much easier time steamrolling imho. This system is flawed as the weak are inline with the strong because they don't have to worry about getting bombed to kingdom come by an organised bomb group of 10, you can still do it but it's far more difficult

This here is an excellent explanation. Static ult generation does nothing to differentiate good play from bad. Thus you have the case where 8man groups are no longer viable because they can't take advantage of superior coordination with ults to defeat a larger force. The larger force now always has more ults available and more ults generating.

Rune_Relic

Juraigr wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

It was so the game couldnt be exploited to the max by specific classes and builds.
Its called balance I guess.
Ellite players are usually far more interested in finding godmode hax than balance though.
Then get all defensive and say things like casual and carebear because ZOS took their toys away.

Agreed that some builds cos do that but that was what the build was BUILT for, when it came to single target they struggled to do 200dps lol, from what im getting people don't like elite players is that the problem? if your not good enough to be called elite get better or do something else. If something is hard to figure out you dont complain till the cows come home you adapt to it, learn and become elite yourself. Thats how i see it anyway

timidobserver wrote: »

Because some classes had a significant advantage on getting their ultimate up over others. Some had ways to get ultimate up almost instantly. Now, most people get ultimate at a pretty similar rate.

Which is boring and static and not what i liked about the game

But its not what elite means in this game.
Here its about spending weeks on PTS finding every piece of bugged/broken gear (or totally unbalanced class combos) that doesn't work anything like intended to get a distinct advantage over everyone else and then palm it off as some kind of skill and being a better player when you harvest all that AP and top the leader boards. Advising your guild mates of all the game flaws/tricks to give you an advantage over everyone else.

I have no issue with exceptional players who don't exploit at every possible opportunity and actually beat people/content fair and square. That's someone I can admire and respect. They are simply better tacticians with better timing and awareness. Unlike the people above. If you were really that good you wouldn't need a crutch to win anyway so this thread wouldn't even be started.

Juraigr

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

It was so the game couldnt be exploited to the max by specific classes and builds.
Its called balance I guess.
Ellite players are usually far more interested in finding godmode hax than balance though.
Then get all defensive and say things like casual and carebear because ZOS took their toys away.

Agreed that some builds cos do that but that was what the build was BUILT for, when it came to single target they struggled to do 200dps lol, from what im getting people don't like elite players is that the problem? if your not good enough to be called elite get better or do something else. If something is hard to figure out you dont complain till the cows come home you adapt to it, learn and become elite yourself. Thats how i see it anyway

timidobserver wrote: »

Because some classes had a significant advantage on getting their ultimate up over others. Some had ways to get ultimate up almost instantly. Now, most people get ultimate at a pretty similar rate.

Which is boring and static and not what i liked about the game

But its not what elite means in this game.
Here its about spending weeks on PTS finding every piece of bugged/broken gear (or totally unbalanced class combos) that doesn't work anything like intended to get a distinct advantage over everyone else and then palm it off as some kind of skill and being a better player when you harvest all that AP and top the leader boards. Advising your guild mates of all the game flaws/tricks to give you an advantage over everyone else.

I have no issue with exceptional players who don't exploit at every possible opportunity and actually beat people/content fair and square. That's someone I can admire and respect. They are simply better tacticians with better timing and awareness. Unlike the people above. If you were really that good you wouldn't need a crutch to win anyway so this thread wouldn't even be started.

You don't even know me lolol so accusing me of using a crutch is just stupid at best

Rune_Relic

Ishammael wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I like the ult generation in 1.6 much much much better than in 1.5

I don't see what your problem is Jurra and Lasto. You can still gain ultimate much faster than others by simply killing people and the Combat Frenzy passive.

The previous system was flawed to the core for me. DoTs and Hots generating ultimate with each tick, ultimate for every block. Thus a block-casting, DoT-stacking meta that allowed certain builds to drop ulties as frequently as if they were skills. Healing Spring spam, to build up ulties before fights.

I'm sorry, but if that's what you reminisce, I'm not with you. Not one bit.

Dynamic ultimate mate not this static bs, for me I agree that dks had it easy for building up ulti I still blame scrubs for it. Healing springs generating ultimate outside of combat was nonsense that had to change, I like the gain in small fights with other small groups but what annoys me is the fact that when 8 people go up against 24 everyone gains it at the same rate which is bs, you shouldn't have an easier time playing just because of numbers.

Dynamic ulti gain for me allowed small numbers to wipe large group due to having stronger utility using ultimates, now zergs have a much easier time steamrolling imho. This system is flawed as the weak are inline with the strong because they don't have to worry about getting bombed to kingdom come by an organised bomb group of 10, you can still do it but it's far more difficult

This here is an excellent explanation. Static ult generation does nothing to differentiate good play from bad. Thus you have the case where 8man groups are no longer viable because they can't take advantage of superior coordination with ults to defeat a larger force. The larger force now always has more ults available and more ults generating.

Two wrongs dont make a right.
A fix for blobs/groups is needed.
Make people gods to achieve it is not a solution.

Rune_Relic

Juraigr wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

It was so the game couldnt be exploited to the max by specific classes and builds.
Its called balance I guess.
Ellite players are usually far more interested in finding godmode hax than balance though.
Then get all defensive and say things like casual and carebear because ZOS took their toys away.

Agreed that some builds cos do that but that was what the build was BUILT for, when it came to single target they struggled to do 200dps lol, from what im getting people don't like elite players is that the problem? if your not good enough to be called elite get better or do something else. If something is hard to figure out you dont complain till the cows come home you adapt to it, learn and become elite yourself. Thats how i see it anyway

timidobserver wrote: »

Because some classes had a significant advantage on getting their ultimate up over others. Some had ways to get ultimate up almost instantly. Now, most people get ultimate at a pretty similar rate.

Which is boring and static and not what i liked about the game

But its not what elite means in this game.
Here its about spending weeks on PTS finding every piece of bugged/broken gear (or totally unbalanced class combos) that doesn't work anything like intended to get a distinct advantage over everyone else and then palm it off as some kind of skill and being a better player when you harvest all that AP and top the leader boards. Advising your guild mates of all the game flaws/tricks to give you an advantage over everyone else.

I have no issue with exceptional players who don't exploit at every possible opportunity and actually beat people/content fair and square. That's someone I can admire and respect. They are simply better tacticians with better timing and awareness. Unlike the people above. If you were really that good you wouldn't need a crutch to win anyway so this thread wouldn't even be started.

You don't even know me lolol so accusing me of using a crutch is just stupid at best

It was generic. Do you need a crutch ? Then why defend it ?

Etaniel

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Look man I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks. Block cost reduction rings, charge in, talons, inhale, cinder storm, impulse or engulfing flames, get 3-4 dots going per person around, drop bats, battler-roar, get 2-3 kills, drops bats again, repeat, never let go of RMB.

But it was rather stupid and cheesy imo. You can still tank but you can't kill. You can still kill but you can't tank.

Just adapt. Get some people in the group to tank and CC while others do the damage and switch to your damage build when you're playing solo.

I kinda like what this patch did to the game overall. Sure there are issues that arose from the removal of softcaps like the sustain and burst damage, but overall I think it's been good.

Even though i want to throw a bunch of valid arguments at you about why 1.5 dk didn't deserve that big a nerf, what's the point. Plus i'm having fun with my DK atm so all's well I still think the new ulti generation system isn't flawless and needs some tweaking.

That's contrary to what I'm saying.

I also don't think DK needed any nerfing but that's BECAUSE the issue was ult generation, which has been sorted. Reducing the banner at 200, having Cinder Storm give you dodge chance while inside it, having Scales reflect unlimited projectiles.... yeah I can get behind all that.

But only given that you can't block forever as a magicka build and you won't get Bats every 6".

I'm glad you're having fun with the DK, it's still a pretty awesome class. Doesn't that show that it's in a good place in 1.6 and you didn't really need the ridiculous ult gen in the first place?

I guess I misunderstood when you said " I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks [...] it was rather stupid and cheesy". A large amount of dk ulti regen came from reflected projectiles. And since the concept of not shooting projectiles into scales was a tough one to grasp for most players, well it had to be nerfed.

And I do agree that ulti regen had to be toned down, it truly made dk strong against large amounts of scrubs. But just like Jurra explained it very well, the regen should be dynamic. Some random guy who uses a light attack every 8 seconds from a distance should not be rewarded the same way as someone who is trying to take on multiple foes. It just doesnt make sense to me.

the "ridiculous ult gen" as you call it wasn't just a dk thing anyways, the nerf also affected all the nb sap tanks and the swarm/streak sorcerers.

Rook_Master

ITT: Lots of DKs that are QQing because they can't spam Talons and have 100% Ultimate uptime.

Oughash

Etaniel wrote: »

I guess I misunderstood when you said " I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks [...] it was rather stupid and cheesy". A large amount of dk ulti regen came from reflected projectiles. And since the concept of not shooting projectiles into scales was a tough one to grasp for most players, well it had to be nerfed.

And I do agree that ulti regen had to be toned down, it truly made dk strong against large amounts of scrubs. But just like Jurra explained it very well, the regen should be dynamic. Some random guy who uses a light attack every 8 seconds from a distance should not be rewarded the same way as someone who is trying to take on multiple foes. It just doesnt make sense to me.

the "ridiculous ult gen" as you call it wasn't just a dk thing anyways, the nerf also affected all the nb sap tanks and the swarm/streak sorcerers.

Agreed. Also add: Ult gen also came from using Volatile Amor, hitting people with inhale/impulse/talons, hitting players with standards and Bats. Basically, all things which comprise efficient gameplay.... and require melee range. Did they need slight adjustments? Yes. However, since the changes to 1.6 melee magicka does not scale as well b/c of itemization availability, armor changes, and the removal of softcaps. The problem would have self-corrected itself while still allowing for players to take risks by zerg-diving.

I mean for crying out loud, I get hit by 8k+ wrecking blows all day long in Cyrodiil by every noob with a 2-h sword and Hundings Rage set. That sh*t is so broken it goes through block and hits from 15m+ away. How much dmg does inhale do? 2.5k. How much does Whip do? 3.5-4k. DOTs don't even tick on shields!!! (although they never did. Still means I can't beat a Sorc open field) Eruption/Cinder storm is now a joke, also.

Juraigr

Etaniel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Ulti generation like healing springs spamming had to go yes, but why not just remove ulti generation when out of combat ?

Look man I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks. Block cost reduction rings, charge in, talons, inhale, cinder storm, impulse or engulfing flames, get 3-4 dots going per person around, drop bats, battler-roar, get 2-3 kills, drops bats again, repeat, never let go of RMB.

But it was rather stupid and cheesy imo. You can still tank but you can't kill. You can still kill but you can't tank.

Just adapt. Get some people in the group to tank and CC while others do the damage and switch to your damage build when you're playing solo.

I kinda like what this patch did to the game overall. Sure there are issues that arose from the removal of softcaps like the sustain and burst damage, but overall I think it's been good.

Even though i want to throw a bunch of valid arguments at you about why 1.5 dk didn't deserve that big a nerf, what's the point. Plus i'm having fun with my DK atm so all's well I still think the new ulti generation system isn't flawless and needs some tweaking.

That's contrary to what I'm saying.

I also don't think DK needed any nerfing but that's BECAUSE the issue was ult generation, which has been sorted. Reducing the banner at 200, having Cinder Storm give you dodge chance while inside it, having Scales reflect unlimited projectiles.... yeah I can get behind all that.

But only given that you can't block forever as a magicka build and you won't get Bats every 6".

I'm glad you're having fun with the DK, it's still a pretty awesome class. Doesn't that show that it's in a good place in 1.6 and you didn't really need the ridiculous ult gen in the first place?

I guess I misunderstood when you said " I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks [...] it was rather stupid and cheesy". A large amount of dk ulti regen came from reflected projectiles. And since the concept of not shooting projectiles into scales was a tough one to grasp for most players, well it had to be nerfed.

And I do agree that ulti regen had to be toned down, it truly made dk strong against large amounts of scrubs. But just like Jurra explained it very well, the regen should be dynamic.Some random guy who uses a light attack every 8 seconds from a distance should not be rewarded the same way as someone who is trying to take on multiple foes. It just doesnt make sense to me.

The Game should react to the way I played, the reason I never played mmo was the cooldowns on everything the game played you not the other way around imo, the dynamic ultimate reflected that

Juraigr

Ishammael wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I guess I misunderstood when you said " I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks [...] it was rather stupid and cheesy". A large amount of dk ulti regen came from reflected projectiles. And since the concept of not shooting projectiles into scales was a tough one to grasp for most players, well it had to be nerfed.

And I do agree that ulti regen had to be toned down, it truly made dk strong against large amounts of scrubs. But just like Jurra explained it very well, the regen should be dynamic. Some random guy who uses a light attack every 8 seconds from a distance should not be rewarded the same way as someone who is trying to take on multiple foes. It just doesnt make sense to me.

the "ridiculous ult gen" as you call it wasn't just a dk thing anyways, the nerf also affected all the nb sap tanks and the swarm/streak sorcerers.

Agreed. Also add: Ult gen also came from using Volatile Amor, hitting people with inhale/impulse/talons, hitting players with standards and Bats. Basically, all things which comprise efficient gameplay.... and require melee range. Did they need slight adjustments? Yes. However, since the changes to 1.6 melee magicka does not scale as well b/c of itemization availability, armor changes, and the removal of softcaps. The problem would have self-corrected itself while still allowing for players to take risks by zerg-diving.

I mean for crying out loud, I get hit by 8k+ wrecking blows all day long in Cyrodiil by every noob with a 2-h sword and Hundings Rage set. That sh*t is so broken it goes through block and hits from 15m+ away. How much dmg does inhale do? 2.5k. How much does Whip do? 3.5-4k. DOTs don't even tick on shields!!! (although they never did. Still means I can't beat a Sorc open field) Eruption/Cinder storm is now a joke, also.

Don't even get me started on cinder omfg

Etaniel

Ishammael wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I guess I misunderstood when you said " I know you guys miss your light armor supertanks [...] it was rather stupid and cheesy". A large amount of dk ulti regen came from reflected projectiles. And since the concept of not shooting projectiles into scales was a tough one to grasp for most players, well it had to be nerfed.

And I do agree that ulti regen had to be toned down, it truly made dk strong against large amounts of scrubs. But just like Jurra explained it very well, the regen should be dynamic. Some random guy who uses a light attack every 8 seconds from a distance should not be rewarded the same way as someone who is trying to take on multiple foes. It just doesnt make sense to me.

the "ridiculous ult gen" as you call it wasn't just a dk thing anyways, the nerf also affected all the nb sap tanks and the swarm/streak sorcerers.

Agreed. Also add: Ult gen also came from using Volatile Amor, hitting people with inhale/impulse/talons, hitting players with standards and Bats. Basically, all things which comprise efficient gameplay.... and require melee range. Did they need slight adjustments? Yes. However, since the changes to 1.6 melee magicka does not scale as well b/c of itemization availability, armor changes, and the removal of softcaps. The problem would have self-corrected itself while still allowing for players to take risks by zerg-diving.

I mean for crying out loud, I get hit by 8k+ wrecking blows all day long in Cyrodiil by every noob with a 2-h sword and Hundings Rage set. That sh*t is so broken it goes through block and hits from 15m+ away. How much dmg does inhale do? 2.5k. How much does Whip do? 3.5-4k. DOTs don't even tick on shields!!! (although they never did. Still means I can't beat a Sorc open field) Eruption/Cinder storm is now a joke, also.

And don't get ME started on wrecking blow / uppercunt

vortexman11

Why do you people think that bringing back dynamic ultimate gain will bring back "light armour super tanks"? You act like the switch from dynamic to static ultimate gain was the only change made in 1.6. There are MANY things stopping light armour super tanks from coming back, the fact that they'll have 5k armour, the fact that block/break free costs way more than it used to, DragonKnights will thankfully NEVER be as overpowered as they used to.

People who spec into AoE builds will NEVER be as overpowered as they used to either. Other than SteelTornado AoE's are much weaker and on top of that are now blockable, not to mention the fact that if you ever caught them by themselves, they're basically useless.

And now after this I'd like to agree with all the people in this thread that say to bring back dynamic ultimate game, NO ONE EVER SAID TO BRING IT BACK EXACTLY HOW IT WAS the amount of ultimate build from AoE's could always be lowered, ultimate could (as it is now) be made to not build in combat, changes can be made.

Stop thinking people want to revert the entire PvP system back to 1.5 when they clearly don't and I doubt anyone does, instead look at the way the game is now and tell me how it makes sense that some random archer standing in the back in little to no danger can use ONE LIGHT ATTACK and build just as much ultimate as someone inside the fight.

GIVE ME MY INCENTIVE TO FIGHT AS A SKILLED PLAYER BACK. I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR INTERRUPTING THE PEOPLE THAT SPAM JESUS BEAM AT 100% HEALTH, I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR SKILLFUL PLAY NOT FOR HITTING SOMEONE ONCE WITH MY SWORD OR FOR BLOCKING AN ATTACK.

Juraigr

vortexman11 wrote: »

Why do you people think that bringing back dynamic ultimate gain will bring back "light armour super tanks"? You act like the switch from dynamic to static ultimate gain was the only change made in 1.6. There are MANY things stopping light armour super tanks from coming back, the fact that they'll have 5k armour, the fact that block/break free costs way more than it used to, DragonKnights will thankfully NEVER be as overpowered as they used to.

People who spec into AoE builds will NEVER be as overpowered as they used to either. Other than SteelTornado AoE's are much weaker and on top of that are now blockable, not to mention the fact that if you ever caught them by themselves, they're basically useless.

And now after this I'd like to agree with all the people in this thread that say to bring back dynamic ultimate game, NO ONE EVER SAID TO BRING IT BACK EXACTLY HOW IT WAS the amount of ultimate build from AoE's could always be lowered, ultimate could (as it is now) be made to not build in combat, changes can be made.

Stop thinking people want to revert the entire PvP system back to 1.5 when they clearly don't and I doubt anyone does, instead look at the way the game is now and tell me how it makes sense that some random archer standing in the back in little to know danger can use ONE LIGHT ATTACK and build just as much ultimate as someone inside the fight.

GIVE ME MY INCENTIVE TO FIGHT AS A SKILLED PLAYER BACK. I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR INTERRUPTING THE PEOPLE THAT SPAM JESUS BEAM AT 100% HEALTH, I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR SKILLFUL PLAY NOT FOR HITTING SOMEONE ONCE WITH MY SWORD OR FOR BLOCKING AN ATTACK.

THIS *** RIGHT HERE I've said many times in-game I like the new changes, everything isnt THAT bad except the cp system what's that about? NEW ANIMATIONS THATS WHAT SUCKS THE MOST and the new numbers bloat, apart from the obviously glaring issue of ulti gen

Oughash

Juraigr wrote: »

Don't even get me started on cinder omfg

Can I get ...

Etaniel wrote: »

And don't get ME started on wrecking blow / uppercunt

... a Halleluia ...

vortexman11 wrote: »

Stop thinking people want to revert the entire PvP system back to 1.5 when they clearly don't and I doubt anyone does, instead look at the way the game is now and tell me how it makes sense that some random archer standing in the back in little to no danger can use ONE LIGHT ATTACK and build just as much ultimate as someone inside the fight.

GIVE ME MY INCENTIVE TO FIGHT AS A SKILLED PLAYER BACK. I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR INTERRUPTING THE PEOPLE THAT SPAM JESUS BEAM AT 100% HEALTH, I WANT TO BE REWARDED FOR SKILLFUL PLAY NOT FOR HITTING SOMEONE ONCE WITH MY SWORD OR FOR BLOCKING AN ATTACK.

Praise the almighty D-Tick! Our savior and protector from O-Tick!

(also, please fix fiery grip. That skills sucks and doesn't work anyway. DKs need a magicka-based gap closer.)