Burning Talons - Animation changed or bugged in 2.0.5?

Cazic

I use Dark Talons morphed into Burning Talons, and the animation has apparently changed or might be bugged. There are no longer any actual talons.. just some wispy flames coming out of the ground. Not sure if this applies to Dark Talons (unmorphed) or the other morph.

This wasn't in the patch notes at all so I'm wondering what's up.

Pchela

Choking talons isn't showing up visually either. The impale synergy for burning works, so it appears to be a visual bug.

Cazic

Good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. I submitted it in game via /bug.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks all, we'll take a look!

Seravi

Ah I just posted in the Help forum about this.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/164919/burning-talons-issue-after-4-13-15-patch-ticket-150413-001466#latest

Soris

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fixed an issue where you could not view any effects. Note that this would only affect what you saw, and not what others could see.

Why do you always have to broke something after fixing other things?

Domander

Please fix it before next Monday?

Domander

The burning animation from fire ballista/treb is also getting stuck on my character in pvp. These both are cues that aren't working correctly.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I'm in the EU, so have not patched yet.

This is happening to me as well.

All The Best

Cazic

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks all, we'll take a look!

Thanks for the quick response.

CitraBenzoet_ESO

Burning talons animation is broken
Volatile armor isnt always showing its animation
And reflective scales... my flappy flapps arent opening all the way

Oh and not dk related, but there is a weird thing where you try to mount the horse almost get on it and then you dont...

Mujuro

Soris_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fixed an issue where you could not view any effects. Note that this would only affect what you saw, and not what others could see.

Why do you always have to broke something after fixing other things?

Failure/inability to conduct adequate regression testing.

Cazic

It is pretty surprising that things like this can make it into a patch. I understand that its a complex process, but wouldn't someone somewhere along the way notice this during testing? At least catch it and include it as a known issue (like the mount visuals last patch).

Domander

Cazic wrote: »

It is pretty surprising that things like this can make it into a patch. I understand that its a complex process, but wouldn't someone somewhere along the way notice this during testing? At least catch it and include it as a known issue (like the mount visuals last patch).

One would think.

ESOFanBoyz

To be fair they do a patch every week which means they probably have like 3-4 days of testing at best and I would actually think less. You can't really expect them to re-check everything in the game every time they make 10-15 fixes especially if the patch literally has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention I am sure most of their testing resources are on consoles or future content.

Phinix1

Cazic wrote: »

...wouldn't someone somewhere along the way notice this during testing?

Domander

ESOFanBoyz wrote: »

To be fair they do a patch every week which means they probably have like 3-4 days of testing at best and I would actually think less. You can't really expect them to re-check everything in the game every time they make 10-15 fixes especially if the patch literally has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention I am sure most of their testing resources are on consoles or future content.

Why not? I feel like I need to retest everything because random stuff breaks.

Cazic

ESOFanBoyz wrote: »

To be fair they do a patch every week which means they probably have like 3-4 days of testing at best and I would actually think less. You can't really expect them to re-check everything in the game every time they make 10-15 fixes especially if the patch literally has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention I am sure most of their testing resources are on consoles or future content.

Yeah that's a good point. Patch every week is nice, giives you something to look forward to. And overall I think they do a great job with the updates. There are just some things that make you wonder...

I_killed_Vivec

I'm not sure it's working at all - I just repeated talons on some low level trash mobs and despite the hand animation and loss of magica, nothing happened. They weren't held, they didn't die.

It is interesting that a patch that claimed to do nothing to DK abilities should have such a drastic effect...

onlinegamer1

ESOFanBoyz wrote: »

To be fair they do a patch every week which means they probably have like 3-4 days of testing at best and I would actually think less. You can't really expect them to re-check everything in the game every time they make 10-15 fixes especially if the patch literally has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention I am sure most of their testing resources are on consoles or future content.

That's not how it works. I know - I run a product and QA department.

Week 1: developers fix bugs for Patch "1"
Week 2: developers fix bugs for Patch "2", QA tests Patch "1" for an entire week, reject tickets which fail QA
Week 3: Patch "1" goes live with only passed tickets, developers fix bugs for Patch "3" and rejects from "2", QA tests Patch "2" for an entire week, reject tickets which fail QA
etc...ad infinitum.

There is no excuse for a "patch" to "break" anything other than "inadequate QA".

ZOS_RyanRuzich

CitraBenzoet_ESO wrote: »

Oh and not dk related, but there is a weird thing where you try to mount the horse almost get on it and then you dont...

A wild dev appears!

Greetings @CitraBenzoet_ESO!

Are you seeing this post 2.0.5? If so, do you also have an add-on installed that eats error messages? (Specifically, the ones the UI puts in the upper right hand corner? The addon "No, Thank you" does this for instance). If you can't mount at any time (there are several conditions that can prevent mounting, such as really uneven ground, being in the water swimming, etc) a message should appear in the upper right corner.

Are you encountering a situation where you can't mount at all, or do you shuffle a few feet and mounting works fine? Are you having issues dismounting?

Darlgon

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

CitraBenzoet_ESO wrote: »

Oh and not dk related, but there is a weird thing where you try to mount the horse almost get on it and then you dont...

A wild dev appears!

Greetings @CitraBenzoet_ESO!

Are you seeing this post 2.0.5? If so, do you also have an add-on installed that eats error messages? (Specifically, the ones the UI puts in the upper right hand corner? The addon "No, Thank you" does this for instance). If you can't mount at any time (there are several conditions that can prevent mounting, such as really uneven ground, being in the water swimming, etc) a message should appear in the upper right corner.

Are you encountering a situation where you can't mount at all, or do you shuffle a few feet and mounting works fine? Are you having issues dismounting?

Heh.. well.. wild dev... Right now, i summon, run about 10 steps and then the mount appears under me.. unless it does not appear at all after the whistle and mount motion emote. Pretty sure it happened three/four times yesterday, but maybe that is just left over memory cells from every day the last week. Will see if it happens again today.

I_killed_Vivec

Dev appears!

And hijacks a thread on Talons to talk about horses

ZOS_RyanRuzich

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Dev appears!

And hijacks a thread on Talons to talk about horses

You're correct. @Darlgon, and anyone else having issues, let's take the mount/dismount stuff over to http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163882/cant-dismount-bug-still-happening and keep this thread on topic.

Cazic

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

I'm not sure it's working at all - I just repeated talons on some low level trash mobs and despite the hand animation and loss of magica, nothing happened. They weren't held, they didn't die.

It is interesting that a patch that claimed to do nothing to DK abilities should have such a drastic effect...

I just tested it and it does appear to be working. Definitely doing damage and rooting as usual. It's just the visual effect/animation that isn't working, at least for me.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Dev appears!

And hijacks a thread on Talons to talk about horses

Lol, yeah.. that's kinda weird. I guess it was easier than asking CitraBenzoet to make their own thread.

ZOS_GinaBruno

To give you all an update on the Talons issue, we are currently working on a fix and hope to get it in for the next incremental patch (unfortunately due to the actual issue, it cannot easily be hotfixed).

Cazic

Cool, thanks for the update.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Oops, pressed Post too soon! Also wanted to confirm that the ability is doing the correct amount of damage, but it's just the visual effects that aren't displaying.

LonePirate

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

I'm not sure it's working at all - I just repeated talons on some low level trash mobs and despite the hand animation and loss of magica, nothing happened. They weren't held, they didn't die.

It is interesting that a patch that claimed to do nothing to DK abilities should have such a drastic effect...

I use Burning Talons a lot. It is almost always the first skill I execute when I get up close and personal with mobs. Prior to yesterday's patch, I would apply Burning Talons, the talons would appear on screen and the mobs would run off to some location 20m or more away with the talons visibly attached to the mob for the entire journey. This was obviously a bug.

Yesterday when I applied Burning Talons, not once did the mobs run away from me. All of them remained rooted in place as they should have been. However, apart from an occasional flame flicker, there was no visible animation on screen which displayed the actual talons. So, someone fixed the problem with the root not working; but in the process, the actual talons animation was sacrificed. Evidently fixing a broken skill is a tough job if the code is that sensitive.

Cazic

LonePirate wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

I'm not sure it's working at all - I just repeated talons on some low level trash mobs and despite the hand animation and loss of magica, nothing happened. They weren't held, they didn't die.

It is interesting that a patch that claimed to do nothing to DK abilities should have such a drastic effect...

I use Burning Talons a lot. It is almost always the first skill I execute when I get up close and personal with mobs. Prior to yesterday's patch, I would apply Burning Talons, the talons would appear on screen and the mobs would run off to some location 20m or more away with the talons visibly attached to the mob for the entire journey. This was obviously a bug.

Yesterday when I applied Burning Talons, not once did the mobs run away from me. All of them remained rooted in place as they should have been. However, apart from an occasional flame flicker, there was no visible animation on screen which displayed the actual talons. So, someone fixed the problem with the root not working; but in the process, the actual talons animation was sacrificed. Evidently fixing a broken skill is a tough job if the code is that sensitive.

I'm the same, it's one of my primary abilities, and have noticed mobs running around while rooted as well. I always thought it was just a timing issue, though, rather than a bug. Like if Talons are applied just a split second too late before the mob initiates a dodge or starts a movement path, then they would move even though they appear to be rooted. I could be wrong... maybe it is a bug. Would be nice to see a mod comment on that.

Domander

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Oops, pressed Post too soon! Also wanted to confirm that the ability is doing the correct amount of damage, but it's just the visual effects that aren't displaying.

I also want to make sure you know about reflective scales. The dragon wings aren't opening up all the way and it looks horrible.

Also the burning animation gets stuck from fire siege, which is frustrating because it's a cue to purge.