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It is not fun when one faction has complete control of the map

BL44ZR
BL44ZR
Soul Shriven
I have played this game from beta and every time one faction has the entire map the game becomes a waste of money. factions should become WEAKER the more they have. Just like the Romans did.

This needs to change. It takes more than one player to play
Edited by BL44ZR on April 12, 2015 3:13AM
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    "Working as intended"- ZOS



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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Any EP players come to Haderus (NA) we give a good fight and stick it to the yellow dogs every day even if they are pop locked and have 24/7 zergs. Just need some more night players to stop there night capping every single day cause we may go to bed with the map fairly even but when we wake up it's yellow thanks to the 24/7 zergs. No TB players.
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  • Bouvin
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    Actually, that can be the most fun.

    I used to love going into Chill and killing people in the quest areas who though they were safe because they were on the DC buff server. Muwahahha
  • eliisra
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    PaulScelus wrote: »
    There are plenty of enemy forces on every side that can easily take back a good portion of a dominated map. The problem is the players. As soon as it looks as though the map is going all one colour, bam, people leave the campaign and make it even easier for said colour to continue to dominate the entire map. It's stupid, really. It's like a hive mind of people saying "Well, woke up and only have X number of keeps. I'm going to XYZ campaign instead". The moment that campaign starts going one colour, I guarantee it will end up having the same problem. People are the problem, not the systems in place. ZOS has made many mistakes with ESO, fair enough, but they cannot be held accountable for people abandoning campaigns at the first sight of a map-overtake challenge.

    But It's exactly like that in 100% of all online games with large scale combat. When one side has to greater numbers, the opposition just leaves and goes somewhere else. PvP is nowhere to be found. In every single game I ever played over the last 15 years, that always happened.

    So no, it's not about ESO having more cowards or opportunist players. Your average MMO player only wants to have a bit of easy accessible fun. He doesn't care about anything else. He's no willing to lead and organise the resistance, fight heavily outnumbered for the sake of it, for the faction and change the outcome of a war lol. These are facts, we cant change your average MMO player. He will always leave the campaign when gate camped. So It's rather up to the guys designing and developing games to prevent these types of one-sided battles.
  • Preyfar
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    I'd at least prefer an incentive for people to join the campaign, but also reward those who stuck through it. I'm DC on Thornblade, and we've been pretty consistent with a single bar of pop t his entire campaign. So many people keep dropping out of the campaign due to being discouraged and having no reason to join.

    That, and the argument I hear is it's a 30 day campaign, so people can drop out, join another campaign, get a Tier 3 reward, then jump back to Thorn to get another one. It's really frustrating to be one of the seemingly few who stick around to try to make a difference.
  • filmoretub17_ESO
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    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. Right now EP on Thorn or Ad on Haderus is just a joke. The other campaigns can sometimes have crazy stuff happening just wait a few hours it bounces back.
  • Kelleton
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    Bouvin wrote: »
    Actually, that can be the most fun.

    I used to love going into Chill and killing people in the quest areas who though they were safe because they were on the DC buff server. Muwahahha

    The truth, I always play on underdog servers they are the most fun
  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    It's fun if your side is the one in control. On that note I'm having a blast in Thornblade right now doing quests with impunity and no worry of any opposing sides; and the XP is just fantastic!
    :trollin:
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    It's fun if your side is the one in control. On that note I'm having a blast in Thornblade right now doing quests with impunity and no worry of any opposing sides; and the XP is just fantastic!

    All the buffs from the zone plus enlightened = champ point in about 10-20 minutes of dungeon grinding. Really fast. Overall the delves in Cyrodiil are very lucrative. Dolmens are nice (and soloable due to really being V5, but counting as v12) and can net you Martial Knowledge pieces to sell and Cold Fire weaponry.

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  • Armitas
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    Any EP players come to Haderus (NA) we give a good fight and stick it to the yellow dogs every day even if they are pop locked and have 24/7 zergs. Just need some more night players to stop there night capping every single day cause we may go to bed with the map fairly even but when we wake up it's yellow thanks to the 24/7 zergs. No TB players.

    ^ This is how you get good. You fight against the odds, not with them. If you're EP and you want to refine yourself go to haderus. You will learn to fight worth 3 players because you will be fighting 3 to 1 every day.
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  • Rune_Relic
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    I gave a similar solution months ago.
    Every PVE bonus you gain as a buff server is countered by its PVP negative.
    Gain 5000 health in PVE ~ Lose 5000 Health on PVP.

    So who want the health then....PVE or PVP players ?
    The status quo will give you no gains anywhere.
    If you are wiped off the map you get max PVP bonus (giving the weakest a buff).
    If you dominate the map you get max PVE bonus (giving the strongest a penalty..but not totally negative)

    The natural state of things is a balnaced campaign rather than buff servers.
    There is no cons to having a buff server at present
    Edited by Rune_Relic on April 13, 2015 9:52PM
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Bouvin wrote: »
    Actually, that can be the most fun.

    I used to love going into Chill and killing people in the quest areas who though they were safe because they were on the DC buff server. Muwahahha

    Dude not cool don't be arse.... unless you have a good reason then be a giant arse.
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on April 14, 2015 1:59AM
    "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage."
    "It's the warrior not the weapon that decides the battle ."
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Armitas wrote: »
    Any EP players come to Haderus (NA) we give a good fight and stick it to the yellow dogs every day even if they are pop locked and have 24/7 zergs. Just need some more night players to stop there night capping every single day cause we may go to bed with the map fairly even but when we wake up it's yellow thanks to the 24/7 zergs. No TB players.

    ^ This is how you get good. You fight against the odds, not with them. If you're EP and you want to refine yourself go to haderus. You will learn to fight worth 3 players because you will be fighting 3 to 1 every day.

    Or maybe and try to follow along... Some of us were at Haderus when it was a fun server were real PvP can happen and not a rage broken skill spam fest and want it to go back to how it was before TB rejects came in and started to use it as a emperor farm server and that goes to all factions emperor farming groups you know who you are your nothing special if you get emperor I see atleast 20+ players a day with the former emperor title.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    I gave a similar solution months ago.
    Every PVE bonus you gain as a buff server is countered by its PVP negative.
    Gain 5000 health in PVE ~ Lose 5000 Health on PVP.

    So who want the health then....PVE or PVP players ?
    The status quo will give you no gains anywhere.
    If you are wiped off the map you get max PVP bonus (giving the weakest a buff).
    If you dominate the map you get max PVE bonus (giving the strongest a penalty..but not totally negative)

    The natural state of things is a balnaced campaign rather than buff servers.
    There is no cons to having a buff server at present

    And this is why buffs either need to be removed from PvE or just removed in general.
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    "It's the warrior not the weapon that decides the battle ."
    #StopOneTamriel
  • Ley
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    Bouvin wrote: »
    Actually, that can be the most fun.

    I used to love going into Chill and killing people in the quest areas who though they were safe because they were on the DC buff server. Muwahahha

    Dude not cool don't be arse.... unless you have a good reason then be a giant arse.

    Adds to immersion, I'm all for it. If you're going to be questing in a pvp zone, you should encounter pvp from time to time.
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  • Tors
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    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. .

    No, it just makes a single server fun to play on with long long queues.

    Aside from people not wanting to leave a campain due to their time invested, many just dont want to join a queue that can take 30 mins to an hour when they is their play time for the evening.

    They stick with where they can get in and then when a new game comes out they go to that.

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  • kewl
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    You have to bait the other alliances. Let them take a keep or two. Heck let them PvDoor the inner ring. Then bring the pain!
  • BL44ZR
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    The most fun I have had is when there are large armies from all three factions fighting over the same keep. A map completely dominated by one faction is soooo boring it is a waste of time going there.

    It needs to change ASAP. History has shown over stretched empires are always weaker.
  • KleanZlate
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    I decided to check out Haderus EU as a guest campaign and it's completely blue. Having a campaign completely in your faction color is as boring as having it all under enemy control. There's simply nothing to do. I guess I could use it for questing but questing in enemy territory is a lot more fun IMO. For me it's a wasted campaign.
  • Sublime
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    KleanZlate wrote: »
    I decided to check out Haderus EU as a guest campaign and it's completely blue. Having a campaign completely in your faction color is as boring as having it all under enemy control. There's simply nothing to do. I guess I could use it for questing but questing in enemy territory is a lot more fun IMO. For me it's a wasted campaign.

    TBH, I prefer to Play in a campaign where the enemy knocks at my gate than the other way around, simply because I get huge def ticks. ;P

    But balanced campaigns are still the best.
  • filmoretub17_ESO
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    Tors wrote: »
    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. .

    No, it just makes a single server fun to play on with long long queues.

    Aside from people not wanting to leave a campain due to their time invested, many just dont want to join a queue that can take 30 mins to an hour when they is their play time for the evening.

    They stick with where they can get in and then when a new game comes out they go to that.

    I've never seen every campaign messed up. Just avoid the ones that are messed up its not hard.
  • infraction2008b16_ESO
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    Tors wrote: »
    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. .

    No, it just makes a single server fun to play on with long long queues.

    Aside from people not wanting to leave a campain due to their time invested, many just dont want to join a queue that can take 30 mins to an hour when they is their play time for the evening.

    They stick with where they can get in and then when a new game comes out they go to that.

    I've never seen every campaign messed up. Just avoid the ones that are messed up its not hard.

    The only one not messed up on EU is Thornblade, and usually you'll have to wait hours to enter it only for major lags or disconnections due to it being over populated however despite that it is balanced.

    Problem with other campaigns:

    Azura's star: All blue

    Haderus: All blue

    Chillrend: All yellow

    I feel ZOS need to push people out of thornblade (possibly split it into two) and possibly introduce hard locks if home/guest setups reach a maximum level (i.e. make it so you can't join a full campaign even to queue). Force people into the other campaigns if one is full to the brim I say.
  • filmoretub17_ESO
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    Tors wrote: »
    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. .

    No, it just makes a single server fun to play on with long long queues.

    Aside from people not wanting to leave a campain due to their time invested, many just dont want to join a queue that can take 30 mins to an hour when they is their play time for the evening.

    They stick with where they can get in and then when a new game comes out they go to that.

    I've never seen every campaign messed up. Just avoid the ones that are messed up its not hard.

    The only one not messed up on EU is Thornblade, and usually you'll have to wait hours to enter it only for major lags or disconnections due to it being over populated however despite that it is balanced.

    Problem with other campaigns:

    Azura's star: All blue

    Haderus: All blue

    Chillrend: All yellow

    I feel ZOS need to push people out of thornblade (possibly split it into two) and possibly introduce hard locks if home/guest setups reach a maximum level (i.e. make it so you can't join a full campaign even to queue). Force people into the other campaigns if one is full to the brim I say.

    Oh sorry man that isn't happening on NA but could very easily get there. Yea ZOS needs to just make it a queue and put everyone in the same campaign and when that one is full move everyone to the next campaign. Right now we have enough people on NA to fill up 1 campaign but instead they are spread out in 5 different campaigns fighting ghosts.
  • Zhoyzu
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    I gave a similar solution months ago.
    Every PVE bonus you gain as a buff server is countered by its PVP negative.
    Gain 5000 health in PVE ~ Lose 5000 Health on PVP.

    So who want the health then....PVE or PVP players ?
    The status quo will give you no gains anywhere.
    If you are wiped off the map you get max PVP bonus (giving the weakest a buff).
    If you dominate the map you get max PVE bonus (giving the strongest a penalty..but not totally negative)

    The natural state of things is a balnaced campaign rather than buff servers.
    There is no cons to having a buff server at present

    False, there are no pros to having a buff server.
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  • Zhoyzu
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    Tors wrote: »
    Just switch campaigns and problem is solved. .

    No, it just makes a single server fun to play on with long long queues.

    Aside from people not wanting to leave a campain due to their time invested, many just dont want to join a queue that can take 30 mins to an hour when they is their play time for the evening.

    They stick with where they can get in and then when a new game comes out they go to that.

    I've never seen every campaign messed up. Just avoid the ones that are messed up its not hard.

    The only one not messed up on EU is Thornblade, and usually you'll have to wait hours to enter it only for major lags or disconnections due to it being over populated however despite that it is balanced.

    Problem with other campaigns:

    Azura's star: All blue

    Haderus: All blue

    Chillrend: All yellow

    I feel ZOS need to push people out of thornblade (possibly split it into two) and possibly introduce hard locks if home/guest setups reach a maximum level (i.e. make it so you can't join a full campaign even to queue). Force people into the other campaigns if one is full to the brim I say.

    Oh sorry man that isn't happening on NA but could very easily get there. Yea ZOS needs to just make it a queue and put everyone in the same campaign and when that one is full move everyone to the next campaign. Right now we have enough people on NA to fill up 1 campaign but instead they are spread out in 5 different campaigns fighting ghosts.

    that was happening on NA until thornblade collapsed in on itself. Now the buff campaigns are being populated and are trying to push out the resistance to keep buff servers. which has made some interesting pvp.
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  • BL44ZR
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    Now both 30 day campaigns are EP dominated. Who can be bothered..?? There's no one else there.

    Its just not fun. BTW I have a Vet14 EP Sorc.

    Fun is epic battles that go for hours first this way then that, so good...

    We don't have that any more.
  • Kupoking
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    Back in DAoC, you were stuck in your 'server choice' so you had to suck it up and make it happen even though you were the weakest realm.

    Alliance were formed within guilds of a same faction, leaders and players were trained / leveled / geared up and ready to go, recruiting was in place for new players and everyone contributed ( even PvE raiders as they provided occasions for PvPers to advance their characters with gear/artifacts and master levels )

    With the current system, a player can simply bail-out, change campain, guest somewhere else, etc. In other words, your campain choice are not meaningful in anyways other than if you are winning or not.

    As of the solution? I dont know, maybe make guilds being able to select a 'home campain' and give the guild rewards based on keep holding and have limited guild spots per campain. Maybe removing some campains would be an idea too. Maybe restraining players more into one campain or giving extra rewards if you stick to a same campain for longer period of time would make sense.

    But know that people will mostly choose the easy way and will migrate into a winning campain if they have the choice and the mean to do it.
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