Enlightment issue
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onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »
Read this and explain it then...
What happened to me was I had a bar with 10%xp and 90% enlightment status (If i stayed here i would have had enlightment till i reached cp point), I switched on another alt it had like 50%XP 20% Enlightment and 30% black. Both ar v14 and nothing happened between switches...
And we're telling you there is no bug.
Get an addOn which PRINTS THE EPOOL. Or write one. Then:
- Log into Toon A. See that the pool says "100,000"
- Log into Toon B. See that the pool says "100,000"
At best you may have found out that ESO's UI is horrible, or maybe even bugged. Your fundamental problem is relying on the default UI for information.
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Those images would seem to suggest that Enlightenment is not account-wide.
Or, the enlightenment pool shaded indicator is not displaying its information correctly (a more likely scenario).
Yeh its weird... and these things are best explained visually
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »
And we're telling you there is no bug.
Get an addOn which PRINTS THE EPOOL. Or write one. Then:
- Log into Toon A. See that the pool says "100,000"
- Log into Toon B. See that the pool says "100,000"
At best you may have found out that ESO's UI is horrible, or maybe even bugged. Your fundamental problem is relying on the default UI for information.
A UI bug is still a bug, no?1 -
Leeric✭✭✭✭
But can we even store enlightenment before hitting VR1?
No, you cant. Unless you have another VR toon. But if you have 3 days of enlightenment saved up from a vr 1, 1cp=100,000xp. You need 400,000 xp for non enlightened cp. So you could theoretically get 1 per hour cp in 3 days at 100,000xp per point. Or 1cp every 4 hours at 400,000xp when you are not enlightened.
And since you dont use enlightenment unless you are gaining xp, all the time spent not gaining xp doesn't count toward it.
Edited by Leeric on April 6, 2015 3:47PM0 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
And we're telling you there is no bug.
Get an addOn which PRINTS THE EPOOL. Or write one. Then:
- Log into Toon A. See that the pool says "100,000"
- Log into Toon B. See that the pool says "100,000"
At best you may have found out that ESO's UI is horrible, or maybe even bugged. Your fundamental problem is relying on the default UI for information.
Look at this and explain it...
Http://www.maleth.com/enlight.jpg
And I do not think the UI is bugged... it has to do with the character xp gain as its account specific and it seems to be interfering with the enlightment, or system is tracking them separatlyEdited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on April 6, 2015 3:45PM0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »
Look at this and explain it...
Http://www.maleth.com/enlight.jpg
And I do not think the UI is bugged... it has to do with the character xp gain as its account specific and it seems to be interfering with the enlightment, or system is tracking them separatly
Again:onlinegamer1 wrote: »Get an addOn which PRINTS THE EPOOL. Or write one. Then:
- Log into Toon A. See that the pool says "100,000"
- Log into Toon B. See that the pool says "100,000"
At best you may have found out that ESO's UI is horrible, or maybe even bugged. Your fundamental problem is relying on the default UI for information.
I have written my OWN addOn. I know how it works, and which ESO APIs it uses. There is NO BUG in the ACTUAL ENLIGHTENED POOL. I have proven this to myself. You can prove it to yourself. The function is "GetEnlightenedPool()".
To make the most basic addon, just print this, for example:
"d (GetEnlightenedPool())"
Do this when your addon loads, and no other time (so it prints only once). Here is a full example addon called "FooAddon":function FooAddon.OnAddOnLoaded(event, addonName) -- The event fires each time *any* addon loads -- but we only care about when this one loads if addonName == "FooAddon" then d (GetEnlightenedPool()) end end EVENT_MANAGER:RegisterForEvent("FooAddon", EVENT_ADD_ON_LOADED, FooAddon.OnAddOnLoaded)Edited by onlinegamer1 on April 6, 2015 3:54PM0 -
Takhistis✭✭✭I'm still an exception
Why?
4 days ago now In hit VR1 on my FIRST CHARACTER
Enlightenment is given each 24 hours to accounts with atleast 1 VR character
So I had NO enlightenment soteed up 4 days ago
YET I EARNED 6 CP'S AT AN ENLIGHETNED RATE IN 4 DAYS
Explain that pls.NA-DC-NB VR1 Ilythrian
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onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Again:
I have written my OWN addOn. I know how it works, and which ESO APIs it uses. There is NO BUG in the ACTUAL ENLIGHTENED POOL. I have proven this to myself. You can prove it to yourself. The function is "GetEnlightenedPool()".
To make the most basic addon, just print this, for example:
"d (GetEnlightenedPool())"
Do this when your addon loads, and no other time (so it prints only once). Here is a full example addon called "FooAddon":function FooAddon.OnAddOnLoaded(event, addonName) -- The event fires each time *any* addon loads -- but we only care about when this one loads if addonName == "FooAddon" then d (GetEnlightenedPool()) end end EVENT_MANAGER:RegisterForEvent("FooAddon", EVENT_ADD_ON_LOADED, FooAddon.OnAddOnLoaded)
That does not explain the problem of the UI, so you are saying that if I stayed on alt which had full bar enlightene would have expired before i got it? As I had continued playing on ALT 2 till bar was reached and became unenelightened, when I switched to Alt 1 Enlightenment had gone too... so its not just a visual bug.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm still an exception
Why?
4 days ago now In hit VR1 on my FIRST CHARACTER
Enlightenment is given each 24 hours to accounts with atleast 1 VR character
So I had NO enlightenment soteed up 4 days ago
YET I EARNED 6 CP'S AT AN ENLIGHETNED RATE IN 4 DAYS
Explain that pls.
Because you start with enough Enlightment to earn 4 CPs on the first day. If you earn less than that, the time you during which you earn them at an accelerate rate is carried over. The only times I have been unenlightened is when I get 4 CPs in one day, or after a few days when I get 3 CPs a day. In fact, I have rarely been Unenlightened since 1.6 dropped, but I usually only get 2 to 3 CPs a day, and a number of days when I only get 1.
If you had earned 18 CPs in those 4 days, then you would have something that is a bug.
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Because you start with enough Enlightment to earn 4 CPs on the first day. If you earn less than that, the time you during which you earn them at an accelerate rate is carried over. The only times I have been unenlightened is when I get 4 CPs in one day, or after a few days when I get 3 CPs a day. In fact, I have rarely been Unenlightened since 1.6 dropped, but I usually only get 2 to 3 CPs a day, and a number of days when I only get 1.
If you had earned 18 CPs in those 4 days, then you would have something that is a bug.
You are getting way more enlightened than me, I only get enlightened once every 24 hours0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Example of an AddOn which prints the actual Enlightened Pool per my instructions:
No bug.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Example of an AddOn which prints the actual Enlightened Pool per my instructions:
No bug.
Again, is a visual UI bug not a bug?0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
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Again, is a visual UI bug not a bug?
There is no definitive proof that it's a bug. Its just some random shading on your Champ XP bar. If you think its a bug, /bug it. But for all you know, its working as intended... and we have no idea what's intended.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »
There is no definitive proof that it's a bug. Its just some random shading on your Champ XP bar. If you think its a bug, /bug it. But for all you know, its working as intended... and we have no idea what's intended.
Well, it either isn't happening to me or I haven't been paying close enough attention, so I can't bug it personally.
But what you are calling "random shading" is definitely supposed to indicate an account's current enlightenment pool. This is quite simple to see--all you have to do is watch when the shaded portion is about to disappear, and you will see your enlightenment fade at the same time the shading runs out.
And if that shading is indeed changing in length from one VR character to another on the same account, then that is at the minimum a bug with the UI, similar to the visual bug with skill exp that plagued many players several patches ago.
As I said, I have not paid enough attention to confirm the existence of this anomaly that the OP describes, but looking at his screenshots it does seem that something is wrong with the information about enlightenment that the UI is giving us. Just because it does not affect you, and just because you have a nice addon that shows you the hard numbers, does not mean that it is not a bug that should be fixed, if it actually exists.1 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »Example of an AddOn which prints the actual Enlightened Pool per my instructions:
No bug.
What you seem to fail to notice is that yours has no shortening of the enlightment bar... which mine has...0 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
There is no definitive proof that it's a bug. Its just some random shading on your Champ XP bar. If you think its a bug, /bug it. But for all you know, its working as intended... and we have no idea what's intended.
and again its not random shading... It is a bar that shows the portion of the pool which has the value of 1 CP point, it also carries over to the next CP point if you already have xp in the bar. In My case when I switched to the alt it did not get carried over and it got messed up. I have submitted the issue to Support and will update accordingly.
Edited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on April 7, 2015 6:50AM1 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭But what you are calling "random shading" is definitely supposed to indicate an account's current enlightenment pool.henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »and again its not random shading... It is a bar that shows the portion of the pool which has the value of 1 CP point
Both of you HAVE NO PROOF of your claims. You are ASSUMING that is what the shading is, because its REASONABLE to assume that. But remember, this is ZoS. There is a strong chance that the shading means SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. We have no way to know, because ZoS DOESN'T DOCUMENT THEIR GAME WELL.
While I side with you both that the shading SHOULD mean what you're saying it means, I have been playing ESO long enough to know not to assume ANYTHING anymore.
Fact: Enlightened Pool is NOT ACTUALLY bugged.
Fact: the UI may or may not be bugged, and its good that @henryabelarwb17_ESO reporrted it, since he can reproduce the problem in his UI/account.Edited by onlinegamer1 on April 7, 2015 12:05PM0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Both of you HAVE NO PROOF of your claims. You are ASSUMING that is what the shading is, because its REASONABLE to assume that. But remember, this is ZoS. There is a strong chance that the shading means SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. We have no way to know, because ZoS DOESN'T DOCUMENT THEIR GAME WELL.
While I side with you both that the shading SHOULD mean what you're saying it means, I have been playing ESO long enough to know not to assume ANYTHING anymore.
Fact: Enlightened Pool is NOT ACTUALLY bugged.
Fact: the UI may or may not be bugged, and its good that @henryabelarwb17_ESO reporrted it, since he can reproduce the problem in his UI/account.
Fair enough.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, care to shed some light on this issue?
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I'm still an exception
Why?
4 days ago now In hit VR1 on my FIRST CHARACTER
Enlightenment is given each 24 hours to accounts with atleast 1 VR character
So I had NO enlightenment soteed up 4 days ago
YET I EARNED 6 CP'S AT AN ENLIGHETNED RATE IN 4 DAYS
Explain that pls.
Stop trying to make sense of it and enjoy it.0 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Both of you HAVE NO PROOF of your claims. You are ASSUMING that is what the shading is, because its REASONABLE to assume that. But remember, this is ZoS. There is a strong chance that the shading means SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. We have no way to know, because ZoS DOESN'T DOCUMENT THEIR GAME WELL.
While I side with you both that the shading SHOULD mean what you're saying it means, I have been playing ESO long enough to know not to assume ANYTHING anymore.
Fact: Enlightened Pool is NOT ACTUALLY bugged.
Fact: the UI may or may not be bugged, and its good that @henryabelarwb17_ESO reporrted it, since he can reproduce the problem in his UI/account.
Oh geez... We are not assuming anything, if something acts the way it does it is what it does... I have been paying attention to this stuff because I know how buggy things can be with ZOS, and the behaviour is always the same:
1 When you get enlightened the shaded bar appears
2 When the Xp reaches the end of the shaded bar, enlightenement ends.
3 The length of the bar can span over 2 cp points if you have already XP in the bar it gets carried over into the next CP point.
Regarding your addon please stop... your addon might be reading a fixed value (400,000) and not the variable of the actual pool... because from what I saw the 400,000 stays the same and its the xp gained that is a variable... when the problem is that 400,000....
Edited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on April 7, 2015 5:52PM0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »
Oh geez... We are not assuming anything, if something acts the way it does it is what it does... I have been paying attention to this stuff because I know how buggy things can be with ZOS, and the behaviour is always the same:
1 When you get enlightened the shaded bar appears
2 When the Xp reaches the end of the shaded bar, enlightenement ends.
3 The length of the bar can span over 2 cp points if you have already XP in the bar it gets carried over into the next CP point.
Regarding your addon please stop... your addon might be reading a fixed value (400,000) and not the variable of the actual pool... because from what I saw the 400,000 stays the same and its the xp gained that is a variable... when the problem is that 400,000....
First off, my addOn is flawless. I've tested it.
Second, it shows the pool which is "100,000" not 400,000.
Third, it proves there is no bug in the actual Enlightenment Pool. Again, I've tested this. There is no bug. I can use up 75k of the pool on Character A, and when I log onto Character B, there is 25k left, and when B uses it up, the pool is empty on both characters.
Lastly, you can tell us all about your OBSERVATION of that shaded bar and how you think it SHOULD work, and maybe we all agree with you, but you CANNOT tell us how its supposed to work, only ZoS can do that.0 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
First off, my addOn is flawless. I've tested it.
Second, it shows the pool which is "100,000" not 400,000.
Third, it proves there is no bug in the actual Enlightenment Pool. Again, I've tested this. There is no bug. I can use up 75k of the pool on Character A, and when I log onto Character B, there is 25k left, and when B uses it up, the pool is empty on both characters.
Lastly, you can tell us all about your OBSERVATION of that shaded bar and how you think it SHOULD work, and maybe we all agree with you, but you CANNOT tell us how its supposed to work, only ZoS can do that.
No... I just stated the observations! not how i think it should work... and anyway lets wait for ZOS as it seems thats the only way to get it through your head... and just to update you the problem has been forwarded to a specialised team and they should get back to me.
P.S. And your addon is as accurate as the information provided by the game, if the info is bugged it will display bugged info... you are just accessing a value, but how and where and what affects that value is beyond your addonEdited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on April 7, 2015 6:13PM0 -
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✭Ive got no enlightement at all since i got to vr 1. Now im on vr 5 and i got 10 cp. Its pretty frustrating to say the least, especially when CS reacts like @onlinegamer1 which is everything is allright, its just an UI bug. Great.Edited by sadownik on April 15, 2015 12:01AM0 -
Paulington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »First off, my addOn is flawless. I've tested it.
Second, it shows the pool which is "100,000" not 400,000.
Third, it proves there is no bug in the actual Enlightenment Pool. Again, I've tested this. There is no bug. I can use up 75k of the pool on Character A, and when I log onto Character B, there is 25k left, and when B uses it up, the pool is empty on both characters.
Lastly, you can tell us all about your OBSERVATION of that shaded bar and how you think it SHOULD work, and maybe we all agree with you, but you CANNOT tell us how its supposed to work, only ZoS can do that.
Since someone necro'd this post anyway, @onlinegamer1 you are introducing confusion to this when there is no reason to do so.
First of all, forget your special addon and just tell someone to copy/paste "/script d(GetEnlightenedPool())" in their chat and they get their remaining enlightenment, done.
Second of all, stop being facetious, you know that shaded part of the bar is remaining enlightenment just as well as I know you do. Want proof? Experience it. When you fill up your CP bar to the end of the shaded section it goes "You are no longer enlightened", funny that! The shaded part of the bar is your remaining "pool" of enlightenment.
Now, I am unsure of whether the XP earned in the CP bar is account wide, in the sense that if you are 25% through a CP on one char you will be 25% through on another char, my knowledge of the system says it should be but who knows? Enlightenment however is definitely account wide, so the pool remaining should not change between characters.
The person in the OP clearly has a UI issue and I cannot believe it took three pages and lots of repeating meaningless blabber to say "Submit a /bug, open a ticket". Hopefully OP has their problem solved.Edited by Paulington on April 15, 2015 1:46AM1 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭Paulington wrote: »
Now, I am unsure of whether the XP earned in the CP bar is account wide, in the sense that if you are 25% through a CP on one char you will be 25% through on another char, my knowledge of the system says it should be but who knows? Enlightenment however is definitely account wide, so the pool remaining should not change between characters.
The EXP earned in the CP bar is different per character as far as I can tell, but the enlightenment is indeed supposed to be account wide. That's why I have been saying from the very beginning that there seems to be at the very least some sort of UI bug here.
I'm not sure why it took three pages of arguing with people to convince them that this was a possibility.0
