Player Vs. Player Bounty Hunters

Khalhys

Tandor wrote: »

PvP crimes are committed against other players, PvE crimes are committed against NPCs. The Justice System involves crimes against NPCs and therefore comprises PvE crimes in a PvE part of the world.

Thanks. This clarifies everything.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

redwoodtreesprite2 wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

And as for opting out that is simple, don't get caught committing a crime.

If the whole justice system wasn't crap where you can accidentally click/steal on an object on a table while trying to talk to a vendor or other npc that might not be a problem, but it is an issue affecting a lot of players that want nothing to do with the justice system what so ever.

Yes, it's happened to me, there should be a safety net of some sort when items are just laying around and not in a container of some sort. However, one should learn by their mistakes and be more careful in the mean time. Accidents happen, and sometime you have to pay the fine for them accidents.

NO. You should not have to pay the fine for a badly implemented part of the justice system. No excuse for having stealable things very easy to accidently click right next to or behind a quest giver or quest object.

Sorry for such a long time to reply I really couldn't stop laughing so much once I read it and could not think of a reply which would honour your comment.

So... The next time you have a accident that results in a fine being paid, please challenge the fine so that you have to go to court. Then let me know when and where your court appearance. I will make every effort to attend as the comedy value would be phenomenal as you explain that the fine should not be paid due to badly implemented law. I'm sure the judge will see the error of the law and order the State to fully compensate you for wasting your time. I wouldn't recommend running down the street and accidentally swinging your sword into the face of some poor person, I heard some police forces really don't like that behaviour resulting in you not having to go to court.

Hayuru

I usually yell "murder!" and "guards!" when I see someone commit a crime. It would be nice to kill them/get killed by them instead.

GreySix

Nebthet78 wrote: »

That's fine as long as they implement a way for players to Opt Out of any type of PVP in PVE zones, even if part of the Justice System.

Only opt-out I'd accept is an opportunity for criminal scum to surrender to the bounty hunting player.

Turn it down, and the fight commences.

Naivefanboi

not intrested hope they dont do it at this point. they dont need to split their player base any thinner. open world pvp makes general mmo players whine, so even hinting at that your gonna stir up some stuff. id rahter just get a CONFIRMED release date for the imperial city expansion cause we all know that isnt gonna go for less then 40$ lol. bet ya 6months after console they start hyping eso "2" with new zones raids and guess what? imperial city? rofl just speculation but lets watch and see what happens

IIxGH0STxII

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

IIxGH0STxII wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

You know what would be cool,
- Pickpocket other players
- Kill players with bounties and collect all the gold they have on them.

This is the worst idea ever. You could never relax, check your map or inventory, not even for a second. You would get robbed as soon as ypu stand still for the shortest moment and you shouldn't have to be afraid, that you could lose some or all of your hard earned items or gold. Higher level players would gank starters in Stonefalls and other starting areas just to troll or get their money, even if it's not that much and so these beginners could never afford a horse, armor repair or anything else that costs gold.

Uh, beginners can only be attacked if they actually have a bounty on them...
You make it sound like when they get done with the tutorial a V14 is waiting for them to own them... Those beginners don't even have a bounty on them, hence cannot be attacked.

Have you ever played PvP in this game??? I just started 3 weeks ago and lemme tell you something... If you go into sneak in PvP, you are hidden from your enemies. This game has one of the best sneak systems for an MMORPG.

In my previous post I stated that the ability to kill another player for bounty should only be activated as soon as a player's bounty reaches a certain value (murdering innocents for example, not stealing a spoon or some bananas), that point still stands for me, I just didn't mention it again.

Thank you for explaining the game mechanics to me. I never understood them even though I'm playing this game since the first beta. Clearly I needed someone with huge amounts of game experience like you to make things clear for me. If you know the game's sneaking mechanics so well, then you should also know that you get visible as soon as you interact with the game world, like when you're using doors or something. Teleport to Cyrodil and try to go through a door, alone and in an area full of enemies that are aware of you (players in PVE WILL be aware that you just murdered some civilians). I guarantee you, you are dead before you even have a chance to draw your weapons. There is no way to sneak through a crowded city without other players noticing you, not even for the sneakiest Khajiit.

So you're telling me that you would not be mad at all when you just check your map and suddenly your hard earned legendary crafting item or Ninrcrux is gone? Yeah right.

I'm not against PvP bounty hunting in general but a few things are necessary for it to work.
- Player inventory has to stay untouched (for fairness AND obvious exploitation possibilities)
- Bounty value dependance, just like it is with the city guards atm. Being able to kill another player just because he stole a napkin is totally over the top.
- Level dependance: players can only hunt for bounty in their own level areas +/- 1
- Rewards shouldn't be so high so that you can actually "live" from it. It should be a fun aspect, not a way to become Scrooge McDuck rich. ~5% of the bounty would be a good start.

Dotgov

Naivefanboi wrote: »

not intrested hope they dont do it at this point. they dont need to split their player base any thinner.

Their player base has actually been growing. I'm confused as to where you're getting your information from.

Naivefanboi wrote: »

open world pvp makes general mmo players whine, so even hinting at that your gonna stir up some stuff.

Some of us pay a premium every month. I expect added content or features to existing content and features. I rather not have a brute force of expansions rolling out every 6 months.

kevlarto_ESO

As long as I can opt out I don't, care but my experience with player bounty's they turn into a grief fest, swg I had friends that could not even play it got so bad, it has to be something thought out and tested well, which don't seem to happen in today's mmo's

Qyrk

It's good that all of us are discussing this now. But I just want to point out that there will be a player-player interactions in the works for the Justice System (i.e. Player Guards) that will be implemented in the future phases of the system.

Dotgov

Some features that have been discussed so far...

-Opt in/out option
-Little to no gold on successful PVP Bounty kills. <insert reward here>
-Possibly some exclusive achievement or character cosmetics for those who choose to opt. in.
-Leaderboards

For those who would like to add some ideas to this list, please feel free. Hopefully we could create something the developers can pick away at.

Wolfshead

At QuakeCon last year the say with the Justice System it would be world pvp if i reminder right and honest i have see nothing of it only that guard want you pay if do things and also the Justice System was only half done we should have got Dark brotherhood as well if i also reminder right.

But it feel last 2 big patch we got the "content" was only half done for CP system should have remove VR lvl when it was fully integrity which it should have been with patch 1.6 CP system should have been full integrity to the game which in my eyes it is not

dwtdwtdwt

Tandor wrote: »

What level areas are you stealing in?

I typically steal at the level 40 range. But, the items I steal are available at the level 10 range as well. If the items I come across are less than 62gold, I leave it and move on. I only have a certain amount of goods I can fence per day, so I try to make the most out of it.

As far as world pvp through a bounty system, I am all for it and think it would go over very well. There should be a penalty for sloppy pickpocketing and taking items from desk, counters, cabinets, etc. Killing npc's should feel like it is wrong to do. City guards are fine and needed, but they are easy to flee from for anyone who has an invisibility potion. Players can pickpocket low-level npc's, and then one-shot them without feeling the repercussions as long as they know they can get away from guards by popping invisibility and then sprinting away.

What pvp bounties would do is make those murderers and failed thieves think twice about exploiting the Justice System. With world pvp bounty hunting, there would be no flaws in the system. Those who steal in a poor fashion, or kill npc's for the hell of it, would eventually pay the price at the hand of another player. Bounty hunters do the work of the city guards outside the city walls. But this time, the bounty hunters can be killed, unlike city guards.

For those that complain or have negative comments about this idea are the ones who can't properly steal stuff. What I would say to them is stop stealing. Or flip the Justice System switch to the off position, that way you cannot be accused of any mistaken wrong-doing. It's really as simple as that. Players need to understand that thieving is not for everyone in the game. The same way as tanking or healing is not for everyone in the game. Certain classes and races have abilities and passive abilities that that improve the chances to successfully steal items, and those who don't have those abilities have a higher risk of obtaining a bounty if they steal. Right now, those that do it wrong aren't really feeling the severity of the levels of bounty they receive. World pvp bounty collecting would change that.

darthbelanb14_ESO

This only phase 1 of the Justice system, and I'm pretty sure I read that there will be a PvP aspect to it that can be opted out of.

newtinmpls

StaticWax wrote: »

I'm all for it but there are plenty of wimps around these forums who will cry fowl whenever open world PvP is mentioned.

I admit it <holds hand up> that would be me.

I absolutely hate PvP mostly because I am incredibly sloppy about my character build - because I love to explore things, I play intermittently, and my grasp of tactics is "in process". So no, I don't want to go up against other players because I will be smeared across the pavement in no time. If I had a white flag emote, I'd use it in Cyrodiil (not saying it would accomplish anything, but I'd use it).

Anyway, all that aside, the bounty is accrued by failing to pick pockets, no? So if I just steal a bunch of crap from upper floors, as long as I don't do something silly like fail pickpocketing while carrying all that loot, I'm okay, right?

And.... if I do become "disreputable", I can just pay my fine right away (because I fail pickpocketing a LOT and the guards are always right there in about 3 seconds) which doesn't allow for fellow players to KoS (well, unless the pocket I failed to pick was that of a guard, in which case I'm already dead - so no issue).

Anyway .... if the bounty thing was limited to the whole KoS rank, then I wouldn't have to worry about it. I hope.

Basically, I like exploring, questing, fishing .... I do not enjoy being killed a lot. So if there is a way to make PvP justice system and have low-skill paranoid intermittent thieves like me not "get killed a lot", then okay.

Cogo

Dotgov wrote: »

I'm unsure if this has been discussed, if so, please diregard.

I want to talk about the Justice System and Bounty amount that is accrued from crimes. Im curious to see some type of Player vs. Player bounty hunting. A mechanic that could be implemented that allowed any player to kill such player who carries a bounty on their head. A system that isn't rewarded with gold (for obvious exploitation) but simple and fun enough to engage and attempted to kill players who carry these bounties. I believe this would be extremely beneficial to the enjoyment of the game and a great feature to add into it.

Please add any opinions (pros or cons)

I always hated PvP. I think WoW arena and Gear/build to win is stupid and creates even weaker players.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF BOUNTY HUNTING!

Eve Online is the only MMO to pull this off successfully. But Eve is to brutal and its in space.

To add your idea to Justice system phase 2 would ROCK!

I'd turn around and become a hard core Bounty Hunter. Hunting ONLY gankers, vermin that pesters normal city folks of Tamriel. The bully who steals from a child will get my axe! Raah!

newtinmpls

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

When I said pickpocket other players,

WHAT!!! No, no no no no no no way no nope NO.

Can you tell that I am very against this idea.

If this is EVER going to happen it darn well better have an "opt out" even if that means I lose the ability to loot owned items, or to do ANY justice activities. This was my original reason for not going to Cyrodiil in the first place, as I thought it might be enabled there.

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

ya I was assuming pretty much anything that's not a "no trade" item, like all the crafting materials and such on them. .

Daedra bless it, that's the most valuable stuff in my inventory...... are you MAD?

Wolf_Punk

Cogo wrote: »

Eve Online is the only MMO to pull this off successfully. But Eve is to brutal and its in space.

To add your idea to Justice system phase 2 would ROCK!

TheBull

Right now too much gold is being made without the pvp portion of the justice system. It has to happen.