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Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
Edited by Erondil on April 1, 2015 4:17PM~retired~
EU server, former Zerg Squad and Banana Squad officer
Dennegor NB AD, AvA 50 Grand Overlord 24/05/2016
rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
Erondil Sorc AD, AvA 23
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Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).EU | PC | AD0 -
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If you dont need stamina regen from tripots (because you are a destro/restro sorc for example), and you use spell power pot, will you really use a slot for 600 magicka and sometimes a high CF crit? I don't think so, you should better use mines or innerlight for more magicka, and which procc might of the guild, dont you? I didnt say entropy is only good because of the major sorcellery buff, no,, but if you already got the buff somehow, some others skills are more usefull imomike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).
Edited by Erondil on April 1, 2015 5:02PM~retired~
EU server, former Zerg Squad and Banana Squad officer
Dennegor NB AD, AvA 50 Grand Overlord 24/05/2016
rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
Erondil Sorc AD, AvA 23
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If you dont need stamina regen from tripots (because you are a destro/restro sorc for example), and you use spell power pot, will you really use a slot for 600 magicka and sometimes a high CF crit? I don't think so, you should better use mines or innerlight for more magicka, and which procc might of the guild, dont you? I didnt say entropy is only good because of the major sorcellery buff, no,, but if you already got the buff somehow, some others skills are more usefull imomike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).
It's all a matter of oponion (see what I did there?) ofc.
I think stamina regen is important anyway for dodge rolls and CC breaks. Inner Light is a toggle so it's 2 slots (or 3 if you're using Overload). Plus you need to toggle it first off and then on for the MotG passive, which costs more time as well as more magicka. Not comparable for me.
Also tripots are reactive and I much prefer that. They are my only instant heal as a Sorc. If get hit by a +15k Stealth Snipe and Light combo and get dropped into execute range... I CC break, dodge-cast a Healing Ward and then pop a tripot. Now my health is out of execute range, I have a big-ass shield on me and my stamina is nearly full ready for another CC break in 6" if I need it.
And I already use mines ofc
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If you dont need stamina regen from tripots (because you are a destro/restro sorc for example), and you use spell power pot, will you really use a slot for 600 magicka and sometimes a high CF crit? I don't think so, you should better use mines or innerlight for more magicka, and which procc might of the guild, dont you? I didnt say entropy is only good because of the major sorcellery buff, no,, but if you already got the buff somehow, some others skills are more usefull imomike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).
Oh my, let me clear this mess up
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Everyone needs stamina. I dodge and I block, I can't do it excessively, but I won't let my stamina be wasted either.
Magelight is very clunky to use if you don't toggle it, it often won't go off smoothly and if I toggle it, in wich case it would actually give more magicka than Entropy, it suddenly costs 2 slots... with heal/max hp, spell power, HoT and DoT, Entropy is clearly superior if I don't intend to use Magelight on both bars.
Lastly, maybe you didn't notice it since 1.5, but I switched to burst damage now. If I can not get your resources down with sustained damage, I will try to burst you at once, so every little bit helps.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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On my sorc with drinks buff I havent any issue with stamina. Imo, you dont need inner light on both bar, I played with it on my burst bar only during a long time, toggle it gives you chances to proc CF+might of the guild and its easy to anime cut it. But inner light was just an example, maybe not a good one, but just to say that entropy isnt that necessary if you manage your stamina (drinks, CP) to be able to use spell power pot. Ofc I noticed that your build is all about burst now :P
If you dont need stamina regen from tripots (because you are a destro/restro sorc for example), and you use spell power pot, will you really use a slot for 600 magicka and sometimes a high CF crit? I don't think so, you should better use mines or innerlight for more magicka, and which procc might of the guild, dont you? I didnt say entropy is only good because of the major sorcellery buff, no,, but if you already got the buff somehow, some others skills are more usefull imomike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).
Oh my, let me clear this mess up !
Everyone needs stamina. I dodge and I block, I can't do it excessively, but I won't let my stamina be wasted either.
Magelight is very clunky to use if you don't toggle it, it often won't go off smoothly and if I toggle it, in wich case it would actually give more magicka than Entropy, it suddenly costs 2 slots... with heal/max hp, spell power, HoT and DoT, Entropy is clearly superior if I don't intend to use Magelight on both bars.
Lastly, maybe you didn't notice it since 1.5, but I switched to burst damage now. If I can not get your resources down with sustained damage, I will try to burst you at once, so every little bit helps.
Edited by Erondil on April 1, 2015 9:46PM~retired~
EU server, former Zerg Squad and Banana Squad officer
Dennegor NB AD, AvA 50 Grand Overlord 24/05/2016
rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
Erondil Sorc AD, AvA 23
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery buff but it doesnt stack with spell power pots, the major sorcellery buff from pots has a duration of more than 40secs with alchemy lvl 50. Therefore, using them at every CD, you are almost permabuffed. In which case, even if the dot is decent, entropy doesnt worth a slot. But its the expensive way (1 pot every CD) and prevent you from using a tripot.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
harness magicka has its place, as in it is basically a free shield and gives more mana back then its worth if you are hit by 3 magica attacks.
It's all a matter of choice I guess, but the only use I find is in duels where it simply replaces Hardened Ward when I'm fighting magicka builds. I'm not a big believer into shield stacking beyond using one shield and Healing Ward
Is the magicka return on spells actually worth the extra slot for you? I find I hardly ever run out of magicka. Either running out of stamina or damage bursts is what gets me killed 9/10 time. So in open PvP I replace it with Mines or Detonation both great skills in their own right.
its in a slot i change out regularly for like mines, or entropy. i cant find a good reliable skill to stick in that slot that fits all situations.
You mean entropy is not fixed on your bar?
"Entropy is good if you use it for the major sorcellery". No, definitely not only that.
Entropy on the bar passively increases my Max Magicka and Magicka Regen by 2% giving me more sustain and more damage (I get 600 max magicka from this which is similar to 60 spell damage as an effect on raw damage).
I also get Major Empower which increases my frags damage by 20%. How do you think I get 18k frag crits?
Spell pots are imo a terrible idea for PvP, especially for survivability. I prefer the all around regen boost of tripots because I also use my stamina (Defensive Posture).
i switch it out because its a slight buff to damage and somedays i just need more defensive stuff like mines, my offense is still good enough to burst people plus i use sorcery pots. i have never been so much of a pot junky as this patch lol. i have to pop them all the time now. im looking into ways to fight my biggest weakness, nightblades, right now im testing out the morphs of flare, last night i tried the fire one, but they move so fast in stealth that its near useless most the time, so tonight im going to try out the morph that just stays on the ground and light up the area, i can do alot of damage in 8 seconds they cannot stealth.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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Darthgil✭Haha love that vid! Specially the part with dat treb toy xD
Are you going to record again a lil bit and post it on youtube? Would love to see some more 1vX of you
I just saw that you have posted that vid 1 month ago... Did your build actually change?Norrix V16 EP Magicka Sorcerer
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Already recorded some nice fights, but shadow play stopped working at two seriously awesome fights.. And I don't run solo a lot :PR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »One of these days I'm gonna teach an EP/DC sorc how to kill you!
You just need a dueling build. Have not seen an ad or ep sorc using one. Streak and shield on the main bar would probably help the most.
Edit: Damn actually i have. Cpt. Blink has one. Though that petcheese is even less usable in the "wild".Edited by Derra on April 22, 2015 9:48PM<Noricum>
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✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »One of these days I'm gonna teach an EP/DC sorc how to kill you!
You just need a dueling build. Have not seen an ad or ep sorc using one. Streak and shield on the main bar would probably help the most.
Edit: Damn actually i have. Cpt. Blink has one. Though that petcheese is even less usable in the "wild".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/164815/here-is-the-infamous-super-sorc-build
I use that in both duels and open world, works fine... or what do you mean with dueling build ? DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »One of these days I'm gonna teach an EP/DC sorc how to kill you!
You just need a dueling build. Have not seen an ad or ep sorc using one. Streak and shield on the main bar would probably help the most.
Edit: Damn actually i have. Cpt. Blink has one. Though that petcheese is even less usable in the "wild".
If you get rid of the pets, it's useless in duels too. Crushing shock stops re-casting and the build is bad without pets as it renders your skill bars crippled with 4 unusable slots out of 10.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »One of these days I'm gonna teach an EP/DC sorc how to kill you!
You just need a dueling build. Have not seen an ad or ep sorc using one. Streak and shield on the main bar would probably help the most.
Edit: Damn actually i have. Cpt. Blink has one. Though that petcheese is even less usable in the "wild".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/164815/here-is-the-infamous-super-sorc-build
I use that in both duels and open world, works fine... or what do you mean with dueling build ?
Think without streak its quite hard against permadodge. Also if you get stuck in one wrong inevitable det cast you´re dead.<Noricum>
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