@ZOS_BrianWheeler , a quick word on your mention "..of a certain set" v.s. The Meteor Ultimate

Pecivilis

Greetings,

I just sat down and perused through yesterday's Twitch stream and something stuck out to me, which was your mention of "Meteor's from a certain set procing to often" (give or take).

I would just like go to over my thoughts the meteor issue and the difference between the two types.

It's an obvious reference to the vaunted Valkyn Skoria Undaunted set. I would just like to express a concern I have with nerfing the proc rate, which I feel isn't the issue at hand meteor wise. Let me start by saying this; Valkyn Skoria's set is quite possibly the most annoying and difficult Undaunted set to currently get in the game, rightfully so, as it has a powerful proc effect and is immensely useful. I have built my build to use and apply as much DoT damage as I can because of this set.

From what I have gathered and even brought up in my guild's TS a few months back as helping promote the lag was an issue with excessive amounts packet info being sent between Client and Server because of particle and effect densities as well as sheer number of server messages due to Player density in certain areas.

With that said I do have to admit, yes Meteor, both the ultimate and the Valkyn Proc are dense AoE particle effects. However, there is a big difference between the two. Valkyn's meteors are not controlled by the players (i.e : cast on button push), they are proc'd via a 4% chance on DoT damage. Yes, I and others have at times proc'd more than one at once by using DoT AoEs such as Bat Swarm and Liquid Lightning, however they proc and go away, done and done.

Meteor the Ultimate on the other hand can be an issue, I have witnessed first hand what happens with this skill during high latency battles. This is a player controlled ability as I mentioned, and as such when a player(s) in a large scale close combat battle hits their button to cast the latency in play allows for "continual manual casting", not of the damage but of the Spell animation itself.

By mashing the button over and over the spell drops again and again and again, exacerbating the latency issue by adding more and more packet info and particles to both the server as well as to the clients whose players are in view, when you have 2, 3, 5, 10+ players manually casting Meteor at once and either in fear, adrenaline fueled button mashing , or purposefully "Lag casting" it the issue really pushes both Server and Clients over the edge.

So what I am saying is that I belief the issue at hand isn't the Valkyn set, which is handled by the RNG and is proc'd and forgotten, but instead rests almost solely with the Lag casting of The Meteor ultimate. So please, PLEASE do not nerf the proc rate on Valkyn's, it already has one of the lowest chances of the Undaunted sets at 4%, lowering it or even adding a cool down would make the set null and void as the difficulty to attain the set would no longer match it's usefulness.

These are just my personal thoughts on the matter.
Thank you.

DDuke

If they want to fix it, they should just make it proc on DoTs, not ground targeted AoEs or channeled abilities/spells like Rapid Strikes or Jesus Beam. Make it work like intended.

Problem solved.

Pecivilis

Some ground based AoEs are DoTs ( Liquid Lightning, wall of elements etc), there for it is working as intended in that aspect.

Channeled abilities I on on the fence about, semantically they are damage over time (duration of channel). However, I am willing to confess that they could take the proc away without negatively effecting the set's worth to much. Just no more procing of my heavy lightning staff attacks

Lava_Croft

4% is not the lowest proc rate of all Undaunted sets.

Pecivilis

I stand corrected, you are correct.

timidobserver

Guess I'll be putting my Valkyn set on one of my bank alts as trash next week most likely.

KeplerMG

It is the Meteor Ultimate that is being used to lag the server. This is because if the target of Meteor moves, the caster doesn't spend ultimate and they can cast Meteor again and again until it finally hits. I reported this as a bug a long time ago, long before 1.6. Meteor has always been able to lag out and/or crash the server. The difference now is that some players who enjoy exploiting have figured this out and use it to their advantage. We all know who they are.

With that said, I highly doubt that the set bonus version of Meteor is adding to the problem.

P.S. To the lagspoiters, you know who you are. Keep sending me tells as I fraps what you are doing. It makes it easier to add your name to the list.

Tintinabula

Wish they would make those sets BOE

Sypher

Valkyn Skoria doesn't proc against shields.

#stopkonysorcs2015

frozywozy

Your whole thread makes perfect sense, I hope they read it and do exactly as you told.

Hypertionb14_ESO

its not as much the Skoria set as it is just people casting Ice Comet

Skoria is so hard to get its rarely used in PvP, maybe 2% of all players using it.

but everyone is using Meteor and its morphs, in one fight i saw them dropping faster than Skoria Meteors could possibly hope to drop, with 1 or more each second.

its the Mages Guild spell, thats the biggest issue atm. and even then i honestly think that only in terms of the Effects it creates. (maybe a inital hit nerf, but the DOT should stay)

Pecivilis

frozywozy wrote: »

Your whole thread makes perfect sense, I hope they read it and do exactly as you told.

DisgracefulMind

Sypher wrote: »

Valkyn Skoria doesn't proc against shields.

#stopkonysorcs2015

Your hashtag offends me.

LegendaryMage

It's a shame the lich set (forgot the name) has only a 2% chance. It should proc against shields and have a higher chance.

olsborg

Whats this nerf to valky set? Any specifics?

(I dont like the und sets so to me this is good news)

Gyudan

This set is neither rare nor hard to get. The sheer amount of flying meteors and glowing shoulders in Cyrodiil is proof enough.
Nerf pls.

Rune_Relic

Gyudan wrote: »

This set is neither rare nor hard to get. The sheer amount of flying meteors and glowing shoulders in Cyrodiil is proof enough.
Nerf pls.

I would have to question the logic behind this too.
When I have been on the flag....I have seen meteors flying in non stop.
There is no way ultis could be used that often.

The armour set only has too hit 25 people to proc right ?
Considering the amount of people that stack on the flag...easy 25 people sometimes.
I really don't see how AoE with 4% chance on hits wouldn't be persistently dumping stuff on the flag.

Everyone in the red has to be hit by the damage regardless...upto 50 people.
So I see no difference on the performance impact front.

Juraigr

Nerfing skoria means mag dks will suck even more

Joy_Division

They nerfed the burning spellweave from City of Ash into uselessness. They shall do the same to Valkyn Skoria.

ZoS's concept of balancing is to take the few pieces of gear that are legitimately interesting and that people use and to nerf them so they are just as unappealing as 98% of the decon trash gear sets in the game.

synnerman

Its about time they did this . The proccing of various abilities and passives off caltrops is ludicrous and I hope they nerf it into the ground tomorrow. People say about the AoE of impulse etc lagging the server I would wager that the amount of calculations that goes on when 3 raids all throw caltrops on the ground and everything that procs with it is just as much to blame.
If they say its causing performance issues then get it out of cyrodiil.

Pecivilis

synnerman wrote: »

Its about time they did this . The proccing of various abilities and passives off caltrops is ludicrous and I hope they nerf it into the ground tomorrow. People say about the AoE of impulse etc lagging the server I would wager that the amount of calculations that goes on when 3 raids all throw caltrops on the ground and everything that procs with it is just as much to blame.
If they say its causing performance issues then get it out of cyrodiil.

I do agree that caltrops should not be Procing certain things, this Set among them.

Pecivilis

Actually I see Engine Guardian, Blood spawn, and Scourge Harvester in much more abundance than Valkyn's

timidobserver

Joy_Division wrote: »

They nerfed the burning spellweave from City of Ash into uselessness. They shall do the same to Valkyn Skoria.

ZoS's concept of balancing is to take the few pieces of gear that are legitimately interesting and that people use and to nerf them so they are just as unappealing as 98% of the decon trash gear sets in the game.

Yeh. They are probably going to do something silly like make it stop proccing from a bunch of stuff and add a 15 second cooldown to the meteor.

Morvul

Lava_Croft wrote: »

4% is not the lowest proc rate of all Undaunted sets.

Nerien’eth 2% proc chance would like to have a word...

DDuke

Pecivilis wrote: »

Some ground based AoEs are DoTs ( Liquid Lightning, wall of elements etc), there for it is working as intended in that aspect.

Channeled abilities I on on the fence about, semantically they are damage over time (duration of channel). However, I am willing to confess that they could take the proc away without negatively effecting the set's worth to much. Just no more procing of my heavy lightning staff attacks

I don't really agree with those spells being considered DoTs.

Damage over Time implies a spell that stays on the target after casting it, while AoEs such as caltrops are simply area denial/persistent AoEs (effect does not stay after you move out of it).

AoEs that create DoTs are another thing entirely (e.g. Poison Spray, Elemental Ring, Fiery breath etc).

It usually says "deals X damage over time" on the tooltip on these skills.

But for instance, on Caltrops/Lightning Flood etc it is: "deals X damage every second" (note: not over time). Same with channeled abilities.

There is a difference.

james_vestbergb16_ESO

Gaaaah! So sick of having stuff I'm farming for, or just got, nerfed. Fkin bloodspawn all over again.

Just make is so it only proccs on the "logical" skills, what those should be I leave for someone else to decide.

But I have 2 ideas:

1. Caltrops having a record of causing server issues is one I personally would remove the chance from, since the only reason ppl are spamming caltrops everywhere is because of the valkyn set.

2. Siege is another one it def shouldn't procc on imo, becuase its not a "skill/ability" at all.


Something along the lines of what DDuke suggested above doesn't seem to far off imo.

RinaldoGandolphi

Gotta love how an amor set was introduced to proc free meteor ultimates, because ya know, that could never be op at all

Next thing you know they will make a set that procs free negates, storm atronachs, and DK standards.

heystreethawk

james_vestbergb16_ESO wrote: »

...since the only reason ppl are spamming caltrops everywhere is because of the valkyn set.

Nope.

Pecivilis

woodsro wrote: »

Gotta love how an amor set was introduced to proc free meteor ultimates, because ya know, that could never be op at all

Next thing you know they will make a set that procs free negates, storm atronachs, and DK standards.

The Proc from Valkyn Skoria is not as strong. It does less-than-half damage to secondary targets, and leaves no ground AoE that tics for huge damage over 10 seconds.

Juraigr

Etaniel wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

wrathofrraath wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

Nerfing skoria means mag dks will suck even more

the only caster Dks that suck are the ones that havent figured out how to weave molten whip and still use force pulse

Lol jurra apparently you suck

Loooool apparently

How is that news to you Jurra ;D

I'm not sure......how bout that

ZOS_BrianWheeler

What we found regarding that proc was simply that it was firing off way more than it was supposed to. Wrobel and gang fixed it to fire with the correct cooldown time and the correct damage check.