What is this talk of a rollback

DeathDealer19

So what happened? didn't get to play yesterday. From what I gather some people got like 50k xp from first pull of HRC and this was deemed nerfable? Did anyone stop and realize that these players had enlightenment which multiplies xp by 4? and then did anyone realize without enlightenment this would go down?? Right now there is NOTHING in the game for vr14 players to do with out enlightenment to get CP unless you want to run DSA 12 times a day. 1 CP a day isn't going to cut it for me. 3600 CP at 1 per day? Im not planning on progression for the next 5 years. the way this game is going ill be amazed if I sub for 6 more months.

This is a sad time for ESO. I love this game and have since day 1 but now were just spiraling down the F2P and pay to win hole that ZOS said they would never go down. And max level characters are slapped in the face and left with nothing to do to progress in this new system.

Id really love one person from ZOS to reply or at least PM me and tell me what a VR14 character is supposed to do with no enlightenment to gain CP at a reasonable rate. And no 1 a day is NOT a reasonable rate. We were told an avg of an hour of gameplay per CP and that's just nowhere near what they gave us. We have no quests left, no new content for 6 months, and the content we do have gives almost 0 xp. We cant even grind like zombies since there is nothing left to do because everytime we find a reasonable way to get a normal amount of XP per hour, its ninja nerfed without the slightest notification or reason.

Again, Id love someone at ZOS to tell me what im expected to do to gain some XP/CP. I have 5 vr14s im not making any more. I have no content left in cadwells gold or silver. Nothing left in craglorn. You wont let me grind. So what do I do? what is keeping me paying 15$ a month? What is motivating me to overlook the pay 2 win xp pots youre going to roll out? (which is just disgusting) you already pay 15$ a month for no actual content, and now we expect you to spend real money for XP? is that the future?

Kragorn

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

DeathDealer19

Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

Yeah at this point, leveling to max is going to do nothing but hurt you. although it might be more exciting to actually level rather than troll on the forums

PainfulFAFA

Idk where all this QQ is coming from.

I got 3 CP yesterday taking out enemy resources on my own in the hour that i was logged in.
The exp in cyrodiil is nice.
Idk about the trials though.

DeathDealer19

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Idk where all this QQ is coming from.

I got 3 CP yesterday taking out enemy resources on my own in the hour that i was logged in.
The exp in cyrodiil is nice.
Idk about the trials though.

that's wonderful but I don't pvp. I don't enjoy it. pve and pvp should be balanced. they increased trials xp finally, but they have already ninja rolled it back to what it was which is nothing. A whole Sanctum Ophidia completion=3%

ThatNeonZebraAgain

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Idk where all this QQ is coming from.

I got 3 CP yesterday taking out enemy resources on my own in the hour that i was logged in.
The exp in cyrodiil is nice.
Idk about the trials though.

Really? I got like 500exp for taking a resource yesterday (was in a 12-person group), and was pretty disappointed.

onlinegamer1

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

they increased trials xp finally, but they have already ninja rolled it back to what it was which is nothing.

False.

They lowered from 1100% more than it used to be to 200% (double) what it used to be.

edit: math is hard

DeathDealer19

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

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DeathDealer19 wrote: »

they increased trials xp finally, but they have already ninja rolled it back to what it was which is nothing.

False.

They lowered from 1100% more than it used to be to 100% (double) what it used to be.

double what it used to be? So instead of 3% of a CP for an entire Sanctum Ophidia run, ill get 6%? WOW THATS.....that's still terrible lol

tyler.kloberdanzb16_ESO

Not even 6%, considering 75% of the xp comes from the quest turn in, which is unchanged.

Soulshine

Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

You can get to VR14 if you bother to complete the content in Craglorn. Not all of us at VR14 got here by skipping content, we completed it ALL and did not grind and mindless exploit the game to get here. As such, we do NOT have anything to do other than PvP or repeatables. If you find that offensive that is on you, not those of us who actually worked our booties off to get here.

DeathDealer19

I know. its ridiculous. ZOS had it right when they increased it by 1100%. Test things before you push them live. Hell ill test for FREE ive been paying for a beta for a year to begin with

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DeathDealer19

Soulshine wrote: »

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Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

You can get to VR14 if you bother to complete the content in Craglorn. Not all of us at VR14 got here by skipping content, we completed it ALL and did not grind and mindless exploit the game to get here. As such, we do NOT have anything to do other than PvP or repeatables. If you find that offensive that is on you, not those of us who actually worked our booties off to get here.

Thank you.

7788b14_ESO

That's why the game ends at 50 for me. Reward is not equal to time spent to achieve it for me.

Valencer

This is why we can't have nice things.

Suru

They were not enlightened. 1.3K per, wen divided amongst 12 people its around 200 per person, but with two people and exp increase its a huge number which was exploited fo xp cp.

Attorneyatlawl

Suru wrote: »

They were not enlightened. 1.3K per, wen divided amongst 12 people its around 200 per person, but with two people and exp increase its a huge number which was exploited fo xp cp.

Saw the patch note and thought immediately that it would be ridiculously easy to solo/duo (duo being best since you lose no xp/mob that way anyway and gain extra killing power with your buddy) the first pulls of trials for champ xp, and that people would be flooding in to do so. Having gone in to test various things at random, you can kill the first pull in Sanctum Ophidia solo pretty easily, as well as the first ones of HelRa or Aetherian Archive. Bringing a duo partner would have made it into absurd XP with that 1100% boost. I'm just surprised they didn't nerf it last night instead of this morning .... saw it coming a mile away.

daemonios

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Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

You can get to VR14 if you bother to complete the content in Craglorn. Not all of us at VR14 got here by skipping content, we completed it ALL and did not grind and mindless exploit the game to get here. As such, we do NOT have anything to do other than PvP or repeatables. If you find that offensive that is on you, not those of us who actually worked our booties off to get here.

Listen to this guy, he knows what he's saying.

I got to VR14 by doing all PvE quests in all zones, plus PvP'ing a bit. And it was damn hard to do Craglorn because for months the only groups you could find were to grind XP in Magical Anomalies, or Hircine's Haunt, or Rkundzelft. Grind spots hurt the game as a whole as they discourage actual content completion. If a significant number of players stop doing trials because they can farm the first mob group, it will hurt the game.

crowfl56

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

That's why the game ends at 50 for me. Reward is not equal to time spent to achieve it for me.

LOL u all realize that the vet system was installed because the exploiters had level 50 in minutes, along with millions in gold, and mats (legendary). I went downhill from there, ZOS trying to play catchup and never quite getting there.

The roll back should have happened then and there with anyone that used those exploits removed from the game, period.

But that never happened.

So just live with it, once the console's go active its over anyway.

Rook_Master

The rollback should have happened when people abused keep flipping when 1.6 dropped to exploit enlightenment gain.

If there was any time for a rollback, that was it. That ship has already sailed.

Emma_Overload

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

So what happened? didn't get to play yesterday. From what I gather some people got like 50k xp from first pull of HRC and this was deemed nerfable? Did anyone stop and realize that these players had enlightenment which multiplies xp by 4? and then did anyone realize without enlightenment this would go down?? Right now there is NOTHING in the game for vr14 players to do with out enlightenment to get CP unless you want to run DSA 12 times a day. 1 CP a day isn't going to cut it for me. 3600 CP at 1 per day? Im not planning on progression for the next 5 years. the way this game is going ill be amazed if I sub for 6 more months.

This is a sad time for ESO. I love this game and have since day 1 but now were just spiraling down the F2P and pay to win hole that ZOS said they would never go down. And max level characters are slapped in the face and left with nothing to do to progress in this new system.

Id really love one person from ZOS to reply or at least PM me and tell me what a VR14 character is supposed to do with no enlightenment to gain CP at a reasonable rate. And no 1 a day is NOT a reasonable rate. We were told an avg of an hour of gameplay per CP and that's just nowhere near what they gave us. We have no quests left, no new content for 6 months, and the content we do have gives almost 0 xp. We cant even grind like zombies since there is nothing left to do because everytime we find a reasonable way to get a normal amount of XP per hour, its ninja nerfed without the slightest notification or reason.

Again, Id love someone at ZOS to tell me what im expected to do to gain some XP/CP. I have 5 vr14s im not making any more. I have no content left in cadwells gold or silver. Nothing left in craglorn. You wont let me grind. So what do I do? what is keeping me paying 15$ a month? What is motivating me to overlook the pay 2 win xp pots youre going to roll out? (which is just disgusting) you already pay 15$ a month for no actual content, and now we expect you to spend real money for XP? is that the future?

Great post. Finally someone is talking some sense. 1 CP/day for 3600 days is like a prison sentence... I could rob a bank or even MURDER someone and get out of jail in less time than that!

bellanca6561n

Soulshine wrote: »

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Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

You can get to VR14 if you bother to complete the content in Craglorn. Not all of us at VR14 got here by skipping content, we completed it ALL and did not grind and mindless exploit the game to get here. As such, we do NOT have anything to do other than PvP or repeatables. If you find that offensive that is on you, not those of us who actually worked our booties off to get here.

That's not what he was referring to, Soulshine, though I can understand why you took offense.

And it's not the players really, as much as it is the game.

Inflating content and endlessly recycling content means that you'll likely have at least a few unpleasant encounters with very high level players as you progress: camping Dark Anchors, clearing solo dungeons, blowing through quests and making things unpleasant for those quests where the objectives are not instanced to players, and other things.

Usually folks are good and gracious about it all. The handful who are not are...disproportionately memorable

I too got to 14 by going through the content. Lots do. But the game's lack of a proper player lifecycle and its numerous antisocial mechanics create unnecessary friction in my view.

I dreaded hitting 14 on the EU server. And I'm not trying to get to 14 on the server I play on now.

Emma_Overload

daemonios wrote: »

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Soulshine wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

I love VR14s whining they've nothing to do to get XP .. my VR10 will never see VR14 for that reason.

You can get to VR14 if you bother to complete the content in Craglorn. Not all of us at VR14 got here by skipping content, we completed it ALL and did not grind and mindless exploit the game to get here. As such, we do NOT have anything to do other than PvP or repeatables. If you find that offensive that is on you, not those of us who actually worked our booties off to get here.

Listen to this guy, he knows what he's saying.

I got to VR14 by doing all PvE quests in all zones, plus PvP'ing a bit. And it was damn hard to do Craglorn because for months the only groups you could find were to grind XP in Magical Anomalies, or Hircine's Haunt, or Rkundzelft. Grind spots hurt the game as a whole as they discourage actual content completion. If a significant number of players stop doing trials because they can farm the first mob group, it will hurt the game.

I totally disagree. The reason grind spots exist is because the process for grouping for those quests in Craglorn is MISERABLE. Who wants to stare at their screen for hours waiting for the LFG tool to finally do something, only to be told by some random jerk that you don't have the right class or build or gear or whatever? Please don't blame grinders for the flaws of classic (and outdated) MMO architecture.

Consider your own statement, "If a significant number of players stop doing trials because they can farm the first mob group, it will hurt the game..." If this was actually TRUE, don't you think that indicates that there's a PROBLEM with the way Trials work? Has it ever occurred to you that if players need to be coerced into grouping for Trials, that maybe, just maybe, it's time to start blaming the the game, and not the player?

Ezareth

I was getting 70K per clear of the first two packs of mobs in Hell Ra last night. It was boring as hell after the first hour of doing it, offered no loot and really wasnt much fast than my other grind spots.

They actually went and nerfed this?

Enodoc

Once they have found a way to stop exploiters resetting the instance to farm the first trash mobs, I'm sure they will reinstate the 1100%. This would be doable by having a couple of restrictions on entry:

• Only a group of 5+ can enter the instance
• When the group enters, a lockout timer starts which prevents you from leaving to reset the instance and entering again. The timer is cleared when you kill the last boss so you aren't prevented from running the whole thing more than once.

ElliottXO

Enodoc wrote: »

Once they have found a way to stop exploiters resetting the instance to farm the first trash mobs, I'm sure they will reinstate the 1100%. This would be doable by having a couple of restrictions on entry:

• Only a group of 5+ can enter the instance
• When the group enters, a lockout timer starts which prevents you from leaving to reset the instance and entering again. The timer is cleared when you kill the last boss so you aren't prevented from running the whole thing more than once.

Stop these silly suggestions. No artificial barriers are needed. There have been many posts about linking XP rewards to the boss kill. Problem solved.

Enodoc

ElliottXO wrote: »

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Enodoc wrote: »

Once they have found a way to stop exploiters resetting the instance to farm the first trash mobs, I'm sure they will reinstate the 1100%. This would be doable by having a couple of restrictions on entry:

• Only a group of 5+ can enter the instance
• When the group enters, a lockout timer starts which prevents you from leaving to reset the instance and entering again. The timer is cleared when you kill the last boss so you aren't prevented from running the whole thing more than once.

Stop these silly suggestions. No artificial barriers are needed. There have been many posts about linking XP rewards to the boss kill. Problem solved.

Charming I'm sure. That would work fine for me, and I suggested it myself as well. But I was presenting an alternative solution that may address the issues that others have posted with that suggestion, particularly your own comment saying that some groups may not manage to defeat the boss, and Audigy's comment that some players may just skip all trash and only do bosses. It's also an alternative to the "daily" lockout that has been suggested, which locks out the exploiters but not the genuine raiders.

nerevarine1138

This is why we can't have nice things.

Why are people incapable of just playing the game instead of exploiting every potential avenue of cheap XP?

ElliottXO

Enodoc wrote: »

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ElliottXO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Once they have found a way to stop exploiters resetting the instance to farm the first trash mobs, I'm sure they will reinstate the 1100%. This would be doable by having a couple of restrictions on entry:

• Only a group of 5+ can enter the instance
• When the group enters, a lockout timer starts which prevents you from leaving to reset the instance and entering again. The timer is cleared when you kill the last boss so you aren't prevented from running the whole thing more than once.

Stop these silly suggestions. No artificial barriers are needed. There have been many posts about linking XP rewards to the boss kill. Problem solved.

Charming I'm sure. That would work fine for me, and I suggested it myself as well. But I was presenting an alternative solution that may address the issues that others have posted with that suggestion, particularly your own comment saying that some groups may not manage to defeat the boss, and Audigy's comment that some players may just skip all trash and only do bosses. It's also an alternative to the "daily" lockout that has been suggested, which locks out the exploiters but not the genuine raiders.

My suggestion has always been that XP rewards get linked to every boss and the most XP to the last boss. So a party that does not manage the last or 3rd boss will still get XP from the first two. If a party can't handle the first boss then they don't need to get rewarded for the trash mobs. You can kill trash mobs anywhere.

I still don't see any need for lockouts. Your suggestion is a complicated implementation effort that brings nothing to the table. What happens if somebody gets stuck and needs to port out? What happens if the leader decides to disband the party? What happens if one member needs to go and you need to start over with a new replacement? What if the dungeon is bugged? There are good and legit reasons to reset a dungeon that have nothing to do with exploits.

They don't have to think about this stuff at all. Just link XP rewards to bosses. Every intern can make a calculation for this.

Praxxos

Imho, they should cut the need EP for a CP to 200k and reduce the Enlightened Bonus to 2x instead of 4x. So you don't have to log out after the bonus is gone and grinding or questing is still a viable way to get CP.

seaef

Valencer wrote: »

This is why we can't have nice things.

If you are referring to the whining, then yes, you are correct.

McDoogs

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Idk where all this QQ is coming from.

I got 3 CP yesterday taking out enemy resources on my own in the hour that i was logged in.
The exp in cyrodiil is nice.
Idk about the trials though.

lol nice trollololol