NPCs too strong?

qsnoopyjr

Is it me or does it feel like those NPCs guarding the flag at places like the farm are too OP?

I have a group of 6 people with me and we just cannot take places like a farm, these NPCs are so strong. We tried building siege and sieging them, but they don't take siege damage.

How do you guys take out places like this with small groups? Or you need a lot more than 6 people to take out a farm flagpole?

So frustrating that 4 measly NPCs are hindering a group of 6 of us, its just a farm too.

Pancake-Tragedy

Focus down the NPCs one at a time. The first priority is getting the Mage Guard in the tower down and the menders. Purge or break free the reflect-shield from the honor guards.

1 person can solo a resource easily with a little planning and a good approach.

Cody

Its all about strategy, not numbers.

Get your ranged players(snipers preferably) to take down the tower mage first. then focus down the menders, then the honor guards. These resources can be soloed if done properly. You just have to learn all the appropriate strategies is all. the guards are in no way OP.

Pancake-Tragedy

Cody wrote: »

Its all about strategy, not numbers.

Get your ranged players(snipers preferably) to take down the tower mage first. then focus down the menders, then the honor guards. These resources can be soloed if done properly. You just have to learn all the appropriate strategies is all. the guards are in no way OP.

I literally said all of this a few hours ago, except better.

Cody

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Its all about strategy, not numbers.

Get your ranged players(snipers preferably) to take down the tower mage first. then focus down the menders, then the honor guards. These resources can be soloed if done properly. You just have to learn all the appropriate strategies is all. the guards are in no way OP.

I literally said all of this a few hours ago, except better.

good to know:)

AriBoh

You can snipe a resource solo and never take a hit. takes about 3-5 mins depending on your dps.

Rylana

Medium 2H weapon damage spec + brawler as your main attack = guards need to be upgraded if anything.

qsnoopyjr

Really? I'll try this method you describe, but its mainly those white glowly light orbs that come towards me that take away 1/5th my hp. The people with me too, also get wrekt. I don't really see any damage coming at me from the sorcerer, when we do take theses, he's normally the last one to die because everyone is like "oh we forgot that guy up in the building". I'm not sure who does the light orb attacks, I think there's 2, but those guys are nasty, literally 1/5 hp gone per hit, and seriously the people that tried to take it with me died too.

This is on the Non Veteran server, I'm not sure if it makes a difference because the NPCs are V5 and players are lvl 50 and below. I think on the 30 day server the NPCs are still V5 while players are V14, which I can understand how easy they are when your 9 VR higher.

tinythinker

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Really? I'll try this method you describe, but its mainly those white glowly light orbs that come towards me that take away 1/5th my hp. The people with me too, also get wrekt. I don't really see any damage coming at me from the sorcerer, when we do take theses, he's normally the last one to die because everyone is like "oh we forgot that guy up in the building". I'm not sure who does the light orb attacks, I think there's 2, but those guys are nasty, literally 1/5 hp gone per hit, and seriously the people that tried to take it with me died too.

This is on the Non Veteran server, I'm not sure if it makes a difference because the NPCs are V5 and players are lvl 50 and below. I think on the 30 day server the NPCs are still V5 while players are V14, which I can understand how easy they are when your 9 VR higher.

You can do it on non-vet with a smallish group, same general strategy as given above but with more kiting and taking a little more time.

There is usually a better and a worse side of the tower to use, which you can tell but how easy it is to provoke one the guards near its front door without getting lots of heat. Lure one guard away at a time, two is OK if another chases because sometimes there is a wandering guard patrolling the area. Do not use a light weapon attack or you will reset the guard you've lured away and they will return to full health and run back to their post. Knockdowns help keep them from resetting.

Once the guard(s) on the side of the tower you are hitting is down your ranged people need to go for the tower mage up on the ledge, preferably with any ranged skill that interrupts casting or reflects spells if that is available.

When the tower mage is dead, get whoever can tank a bit (heavy armor, reflect abilities, lots of HP, whatever you've got) to lead the charge on the flag, being careful to stay on the side you have cleared and avoiding drawing any other NPCs in. If there is a roaming guard you can pick off first that might get pulled into the fight take it out first. Best thing to have is a Sorc with Negate drop it on top the flag as your group rushes it, and if other ults are up like Nova or Standard you can drop one of those as well (make sure to hit X for the synergy on those ASAP).

When rushing the flag, call out which mender you want to take out first, like "the one on the left". If someone has an ability that can light up a target use that and everyone focus down that mender. Then the other. Just like other people wrote above, the other flag guards go last. Fight ON the flag, because that starts it flipping. Once the flag guards are dead, stand right on top of the flag and wait for the resource to flip. Don't run around and draw other guards.

As for siege, don't use it on the flag as the guards will throw up damage shields, making them tougher to kill. Sometimes meatbags work OK as an opener since they make the healing from the menders less effective on the other guards but with the above strategy it isn't necessary.

Oh, and CC break the dark bubbles they put on you (it's the Templar ability Eclipse) ASAP or they will burst and do serious damage to your group. If someone is hit with one and cannot break it they should run away from the group before it pops.

Jauriel

I just recruited a guy for the guild that has solo'd many resources using a bow. 6 guys can do it easily just as pancake and cody said.

kijima

Soloing resources was my specialty with bow, the guild would sometimes send me out to by myself to flag and take a resource as a red herring while the rest of them would be off would keep ninja-ing.

In vet, all you need is the lethal arrow morph and spam it to death, having the knockback bow attack to push back the final guards off of you, and venom for interrupt on the casters. Job done. Some resources were easier than others too. It was even easier when we had the heal debuff on lethal arrow (that was soooooooooo broken) soloing them was dead easy. I had a DC player sit back and watch me take a resource then send a tell that I'd been reported for taking a resource so easy and that I must have been exploiting...

On the non-vet rushing in onto the flag would see you dead pretty quickly, best off to burn down the tower mage first, get your bow users to do that, then range the rest down. If there is just a few NPC stragglers on the flag then it's rush in an drop a banner or a veil. Resource taken quickly and painlessly.

In non vet it does help to have people who know what they are doing with you, otherwise it can end in tears very quickly.

qsnoopyjr

I honestly cannot remember that huge strategy you said, and it sounds like a raid having to remember all of that. The only thing I get is, go after the sorcerer in the tower first. The group im in isn't in teamspeak, we aren't super coordinated to precisely take a farm out.

The groups I get into aren't very coordinated, if anything the only thing we able to do is stack, but no one knows how to call a target, I'm not even sure if you can call targets via the game, like in GW2 you just press CTRL T and the target is targeted.

It's not the guy from the tower that's killing us, its 2 NPCs by the flag they shoot out the light orb, those guys are on steroids.
Time I get to the flag running up there I'm pretty much dead because the crazy dps they have.

I'm talking about non veteran, people that aren't skilled, newbies, that's what the server is for right? 6 of us go in and drop dead to 4 NPCs standing by the flag. I'm like level 13, first time playing, and the NPC is a Veteran 5, that's a huge level gap, and the damage he does to me and the damage I do to him, makes me wonder about scaling. Like if people say they do this 3-5 mins easy, it has to be on veteran, you gotta be like V14 and 9 lvls higher than them or something, because I really don't see how being lvl 13 and taking out let alone just 1 of those guys.

If you can solo take this out 3-5 mins veteran, why cant you do it on non veteran? Is it only those people that have crazy insane gear that take them out 3-5 mins?

Also, are they suppose to be V5 on non veteran? Why aren't they V19 in veteran, why do they stay V5 on veteran, and don't downgrade on non veteran (non veteran, means no veterans but NPCs get exception, have to fight NPCs scaled for V14 people on a non veteran server? unfair)? I feel like on non veteran NPCs are just overwhelming, the flag bearer NPCs that is. Peasants and stuff easy to kill, but those main NPCs, important ones, they wiped a group of 6 of us, not even a keep, it was a farm for crying out loud.

Xeniph

Honestly, if your group of 6 can't take a resource there is something wrong.

You either need levels or gear. Because I can't imagine 6 folks being that bad.

Not to sound mean, but I can solo a resource on all my V14's. You should be able to as well.


* Just noticed your last post about it being Non-vet. So disregard.

Rune_Relic

Lethal arrow /snipe has a greater range than the sorcs on the flag....as long as no clown gets closer than you.
You need 2 archers side by side to take down a flag sorc with nominal gear.
1. Take down tower mage up high (at max range...tip toe forward until the skill lights).
2. Take down 2 menders on the flag. (at max range)
3. Storm the flag.

You should try and take down as many roaming guards as possible before the main attack.

WraithAzraiel

Kill order = Tower Mage then Healers then Everything Else.

tonemd

Does anyone know what the white light orb he's talking about is? I only ever see the dark orb that comes from the tower mage. Is it some kind of rage timer thing?

Davadin

new patch: use a siege.

qsnoopyjr

It's not just the farm, its like the mine too, anything where theres a flag and you gotta kill NPCs and than stand next to it so your alliance claims it.

I cannot figure out how to post an attachment, I don't use any picture uploading sites, I should be able to post an attachment via the post (GW2 allowed me to do this, attachments in posts, and none of that a link to a picture bs).

Basically I have a picture of 3 of us, there was 6 of us believe me, struggling to take out a mine, as far as I can tell, only the NPCs by the flag are alive, but you can see how there HP is barely going down but our HP is going down drastically. Like idk what NPC shoots light orb, I want to say the menders lol, I'll play this game and find out today though.

Basically a ball of light coming at me, and if you don't hide behind something it does like 1/5 your hp in damage, theres 2 npcs that do this if I'm not mistaken so that's 2/5 hp down, and they just spam that lol. Basically I run to them and drop dead at there feet, due to crazy dps they have, on me and the others.

This is non veteran server.
Would appreciate it if someone told me how to make an attachment within a post, I don't use photobucket.

IcyDeadPeople

It's really easy now, anyone can solo resource, even level 10. Just use firepot on the flag and tower mage.

qsnoopyjr

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

It's really easy now, anyone can solo resource, even level 10. Just use firepot on the flag and tower mage.

Really?
I'll check it out and then repost, also what is a firepot?

I'm a newplayer, not a V14 and decided to make a new toon type player.

Also, are mages everywhere? Like when you take out a mine are they there too? I really haven't seen any problem with these guys, next time I'm in PvP I'll see whats the big fuss about these guys.

For me, its those 4 or so NPCs standing by the flag.
The ones that shoot orbs at you, I think theres 2 of em.

As far as the tower mage, whenever I do take out the farm, with a large group like over 15 players, the tower mage is normally last guy to die, everybody forgets to take him out, and he doesn't/ well it doesn't seem like he hurts that much either, I never paid attention to his damage.

This is all on non veteran server, nothing but newbs here, we don't know of the strict procedures to follow when attacking farms and such, lol. All I know, those 4 guys by flag, tough mofos, literally took out 6 of us. Only conclusion I have is they weren't scaled down for non veterans, as being V5 on veteran server and V5 on non veteran. I haven't played after patch, so I'll comment again when I get time.

IcyDeadPeople

You can do it easily with one level 10 player, wearing no armor or weapons.

Just hit those 4 guys on the flag a few times from a distance with firepot trebuchet, or use two firepots and kill them even faster. Then one-shot the mage on the tower with firepot, and the mender standing next to the tower....step 3: stand on the flag until it changes color.

You may want to bring some fire ballistae and meatbag catapults as well, for the enemy players when they come to take back their resource.