Lagsploiting questions

Sylvyr

So if a zerg of 50 EP come to a keep to assault it, and when they get there, there are 5 DC defending it and there is NO LAG for anyone at this point in the fight... then 45 DC ride in to help defend the keep, and only after they arrive does the area lag to all hell and back, couldn't one say that it was DC that then created the lag????

I mean it wasn't there till they zerged up on defense and created a situation with large numbers that tax the server and create the lag. Right?

Roechacca

No you got to understand what "Lagspoiting" is . A group of 8 can Lagspoit . It has nothing to do with huge numbers .

Huckdabuck

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Sylvyr

I'm sorry, I see it all over the place that it's about zerging. So, what is lagsploiting?

Sylvyr

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Damnit Texas, get off the forums and go get our keeps back DC was busy overnight

No seriously, so many accusations flying, and confusion, and people pissed off over this, let's get to the bottom of it. Best place to start is by trying to define what lagsploiting is right?

Roechacca

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Then this is just ignorance within some of the community . The lag between two large armies is unavoidable . The more bunched up these forces are effects how much lag is generated . Intention Lagspoiting is different but does happen . It's when a group of 8 or more huddle together spamming healing springs on their group with NPC's in order to make walls repairable under Seige and players not able to drop Seige from the lag generated by spamming that ability .

mrvbalc

Yesterday we were at arrius area, just riding resources and killing EP reinforcements to chalman and aleswell (when DC was sieging those), at one point we had to cap arrius mine and hold that since we were outnumbered, suddenly massive force of EP came and completely wiped us, even after we all dead those 30-50 reds were keep spamming their skills (on our dead bodies) for 10 mins continuously, they dint even know we all dead because of lag which they created

Roechacca

mrvbalc wrote: »

Yesterday we were at arrius area, just riding resources and killing EP reinforcements to chalman and aleswell (when DC was sieging those), at one point we had to cap arrius mine and hold that since we were outnumbered, suddenly massive force of EP came and completely wiped us, even after we all dead those 30-50 reds were keep spamming their skills (on our dead bodies) for 10 mins continuously, they dint even know we all dead because of lag which they created

They knew you were dead .

Huckdabuck

Sylvyr wrote: »

Damnit Texas, get off the forums and go get our keeps back DC was busy overnight

I'm at work so the only PvP I can currently do is the forum variety. And I feel like lunch hit me with a NERFBAT.

Sylvyr

Roechacca wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Then this is just ignorance within some of the community . The lag between two large armies is unavoidable . The more bunched up these forces are effects how much lag is generated . Intention Lagspoiting is different but does happen . It's when a group of 8 or more huddle together spamming healing springs on their group with NPC's in order to make walls repairable under Seige and players not able to drop Seige from the lag generated by spamming that ability .

OK, thanks Roe for opening that up.

Let's dig in a little bit more.

Is it only that particular situation that creates lag? If the NPCs weren't in the picture (or area) would there still be lag? If it were a different ability being spammed? Does it matter if it's an offensive group or defensive group?

technohic

mrvbalc wrote: »

Yesterday we were at arrius area, just riding resources and killing EP reinforcements to chalman and aleswell (when DC was sieging those), at one point we had to cap arrius mine and hold that since we were outnumbered, suddenly massive force of EP came and completely wiped us, even after we all dead those 30-50 reds were keep spamming their skills (on our dead bodies) for 10 mins continuously, they dint even know we all dead because of lag which they created

They probably were making sure there was no one hiding out to rez.

It there is one thing I love to do when an enemy sends 50 to take care of 15; it is to just lay there and go take the dog out, get a beer, maybe take a leak. When I come back and see they are still there teabagging me; I'll call that a victory as they are not fighting somewhere else.

Roechacca

Sylvyr wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Then this is just ignorance within some of the community . The lag between two large armies is unavoidable . The more bunched up these forces are effects how much lag is generated . Intention Lagspoiting is different but does happen . It's when a group of 8 or more huddle together spamming healing springs on their group with NPC's in order to make walls repairable under Seige and players not able to drop Seige from the lag generated by spamming that ability .

OK, thanks Roe for opening that up.

Let's dig in a little bit more.

Is it only that particular situation that creates lag? If the NPCs weren't in the picture (or area) would there still be lag? If it were a different ability being spammed? Does it matter if it's an offensive group or defensive group?

I've never attempted it to test it . I've watched videos of people doing it that later got removed .

mrvbalc

Another example: Yesterday while we were riding to arrius from bleakers. we saw certain EP members riding for alewell defense(they all same guild), immediately we went to stealthed and let them go past us, and we saw our(for everyone) latency suddenly increased to +999 until they gone past us, even when we ride past alewell where DC and EP were fighting for long time dint cause any problem (except a slight lag) but when we were crossing those ppl we got that lag and latency, anyone have any explanation to that??

Sylvyr

Roechacca wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Then this is just ignorance within some of the community . The lag between two large armies is unavoidable . The more bunched up these forces are effects how much lag is generated . Intention Lagspoiting is different but does happen . It's when a group of 8 or more huddle together spamming healing springs on their group with NPC's in order to make walls repairable under Seige and players not able to drop Seige from the lag generated by spamming that ability .

OK, thanks Roe for opening that up.

Let's dig in a little bit more.

Is it only that particular situation that creates lag? If the NPCs weren't in the picture (or area) would there still be lag? If it were a different ability being spammed? Does it matter if it's an offensive group or defensive group?

I've never attempted it to test it . I've watched videos of people doing it that later got removed .

Hmm, I've seen a video of a group, which seemed to be assaulting a keep, running up to the top of a wall, and tower, spamming healing springs as they go and stop.

Some things to point out.
1) In a video, you don't see what's going on in the rest of the area. Could something else be causing the lag?
2) Is healing springs a common healing spell that is used? I heard it is effective and cheap as a heal. Healing springs is also ground radius. Would it not be effective to use in a small group huddled together, wouldn't this be a common sight? How does one separate using this tactic as a proper use of it versus an expoloitive use?
3) If said group of 8 or so were the only ones in the keep, and doing this, would it still lag the area?

technohic

Sylvyr wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

He fully understands what lagsploiting is.....he's trying to open the eyes of certain people who think EVERY battle with EP is a deliberate attempt to lag out the servers.

Then this is just ignorance within some of the community . The lag between two large armies is unavoidable . The more bunched up these forces are effects how much lag is generated . Intention Lagspoiting is different but does happen . It's when a group of 8 or more huddle together spamming healing springs on their group with NPC's in order to make walls repairable under Seige and players not able to drop Seige from the lag generated by spamming that ability .

OK, thanks Roe for opening that up.

Let's dig in a little bit more.

Is it only that particular situation that creates lag? If the NPCs weren't in the picture (or area) would there still be lag? If it were a different ability being spammed? Does it matter if it's an offensive group or defensive group?

I've never attempted it to test it . I've watched videos of people doing it that later got removed .

Hmm, I've seen a video of a group, which seemed to be assaulting a keep, running up to the top of a wall, and tower, spamming healing springs as they go and stop.

Some things to point out.
1) In a video, you don't see what's going on in the rest of the area. Could something else be causing the lag?
2) Is healing springs a common healing spell that is used? I heard it is effective and cheap as a heal. Healing springs is also ground radius. Would it not be effective to use in a small group huddled together, wouldn't this be a common sight? How does one separate using this tactic as a proper use of it versus an expoloitive use?
3) If said group of 8 or so were the only ones in the keep, and doing this, would it still lag the area?

Healing springs is one of the cheapest heals as it gives back magicka per target and is a true AOE heal rather than a smart heal that only hits 2-3 others and god knows who. I basically find that with purge/purifying ritual necessary to be up as people run through oils and god knows what else. they area also stationary so someone at the back of the group will eventually run through them.

I'm sure you know all this stuff though.

Huckdabuck

mrvbalc wrote: »

Another example: Yesterday while we were riding to arrius from bleakers. we saw certain EP members riding for alewell defense(they all same guild), immediately we went to stealthed and let them go past us, and we saw our(for everyone) latency suddenly increased to +999 until they gone past us, even when we ride past alewell where DC and EP were fighting for long time dint cause any problem (except a slight lag) but when we were crossing those ppl we got that lag and latency, anyone have any explanation to that??

So two ships passed in the night and yet you got +999 latency correct? I only know of 1 ability that can be cast from a horse and that's rapid and it's morphs and I'm pretty sure that's never been called the culprit before. The server does seem to go into epileptic fits from time to time. I've seen my own lag spike to +999 when all alone in the middle of nowhere and heading for a keep that my group is already headed for. Broken game is broken?

iseko

Question out of curiosity? Which server and EU or NA?

Teargrants

I had an extensive conversation w/ Perinub yesterday about this, let me share my findings.

We have scientifically determined the best way to lagsploit is to gather in a circle and /ritual, while chanting "POTATO POTATO POTATO" in /zone. Now, the capslock here is crucial, it helps channel the power of lagsploit through it's larger font. You may be thinking 'that doesn't sound right', but you don't understand the full ritual. We have to have 10 ppl in the courtyard of every red keep doing this ritual at the same time, hence the more keeps EP has, the more powerful our lagsploit becomes.

Now that you know our secrets, I implore you to only use this power for lag.

Huckdabuck

He is NA but I'm sure he'd love to know what the EU considers lagsploiting as well (that is if you're EU)!

Huntler

Wish I knew where this 50 person DC zerg was.... I want to fight them...

Huckdabuck

They have been sighted by EP trying to take the Chalamo, Bleakers, defending Glademist, and storming to Rayles to stop a siege on a nightly basis this past week. You guys over on the AD side haven't seen them yet? Weird!

Rook_Master

The problem is that there is actual, normal lag as a result of the 1.6 patch.

This is being conflated with lag from certain individuals, namely one notorious EP guild, that is intentionally abusing these effects to lag the server for their own purposes.

technohic

Need to finish my re-gear so I can see what it going on. 50 DC? Any talbards?

mrvbalc

Rook_Master wrote: »

The problem is that there is actual, normal lag as a result of the 1.6 patch.

This is being conflated with lag from certain individuals, namely one notorious EP guild, that is intentionally abusing these effects to lag the server for their own purposes.

Thats what my point, Everyone know its not whole EP's fault. i know many good players from EP (not personally, just by many encounters). But a small grp giving bad reputation. Even we have those kind of black sheeps in AD too, exploiting some game functions, and DC had those too (constantly a DC player getting into outpost without completely opening door by siege). ZOS have to come-up with some in-game investigation or something to ban those players, otherwise we (players) have to find another server and go there . already i am seeing some regular thorn players going to chillrend or other

iseko

I consider lagsploiting: aoe spamming (i.e. impulse, healing springs, before 1.6 elemental wall) trains. Same goes for spamming healing on npcs inside keeps. Im EU.

Methuselah

Teargrants wrote: »

I had an extensive conversation w/ Perinub yesterday about this, let me share my findings.

We have scientifically determined the best way to lagsploit is to gather in a circle and /ritual, while chanting "POTATO POTATO POTATO" in /zone. Now, the capslock here is crucial, it helps channel the power of lagsploit through it's larger font. You may be thinking 'that doesn't sound right', but you don't understand the full ritual. We have to have 10 ppl in the courtyard of every red keep doing this ritual at the same time, hence the more keeps EP has, the more powerful our lagsploit becomes.

Now that you know our secrets, I implore you to only use this power for lag.

LMAO

Huckdabuck

Teargrants wrote: »

I had an extensive conversation w/ Perinub yesterday about this, let me share my findings.

We have scientifically determined the best way to lagsploit is to gather in a circle and /ritual, while chanting "POTATO POTATO POTATO" in /zone. Now, the capslock here is crucial, it helps channel the power of lagsploit through it's larger font. You may be thinking 'that doesn't sound right', but you don't understand the full ritual. We have to have 10 ppl in the courtyard of every red keep doing this ritual at the same time, hence the more keeps EP has, the more powerful our lagsploit becomes.

Now that you know our secrets, I implore you to only use this power for lag.

That made me laugh....+5 interwebz for you!

Roechacca

To answer your last question , I don't know but I sure as hell can start doing it myself and test it with my groups if you like . I've been a honest player since launch . If I say I'm going to do something I always announce it publicly first . There's no rule against it but it will make your game play suck . Let me know and I'll set up my keyboard for it .

RedTalon

Truth iis everyone has and most likely does exploit weather they know it or not, its a pointless topic and will always be part of pvp

frozywozy

mrvbalc wrote: »

Another example: Yesterday while we were riding to arrius from bleakers. we saw certain EP members riding for alewell defense(they all same guild), immediately we went to stealthed and let them go past us, and we saw our(for everyone) latency suddenly increased to +999 until they gone past us, even when we ride past alewell where DC and EP were fighting for long time dint cause any problem (except a slight lag) but when we were crossing those ppl we got that lag and latency, anyone have any explanation to that??

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! that made my day.

Cody

for muffins sake, enough will the finger pointing people!!!!

the server can't handle the numbers; that's all it is.