Please Remove leveling Timers on Riding Skills

Tess_Phyreforge

I wonder why we need Feeding Timers for Mounts now?

Why not just remove the timers and keep the cost the same for each point, 250g per point.
This would help players that are just starting out in the game and can help get riding skill up a littler faster depending on how much gold they earn to put into points.
And us Vets that have made some extra gold and want to get our new riding skill up to speed.

It's all about the money for most.. over the year you feed the mount for speed or bag space but found it was getting costly feeding 2 or 3 different mounts.
When we was young players gold was an issue at times and we didn't have the gold to fee all our mounts everyday.

Please remove the timers on buying riding skills points, This would help everyone if we just could buy the riding point when we have the extra gold and don't have to wait for timers to level skill.

phreatophile

Or at least shorten it. 180days to level an alts riding skills is a long time.

Fizzlewizzle

I don't see a problem with this.
Its not like a new player can just max out his horse within an hour after starting the game. It takes quite a long time (and you can no longer level 3 horses / 3 options at the same time.

Hypertionb14_ESO

no, increase the per day limit to 3

that will bring it inline to previous ability when leveling 3 horses at once, and would allow a full riding stat in 60 days.

bosmern_ESO

It costs 45,000 gold to max out a mount, which is the cost of a high tier horse, don't see why not.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Whatever happened to patience? Building your character and being proud of the time you invested in this. Nope, we need it today! Should we have this too?

Nestor

Thing is, and I am ignoring Stamina here as I still don't think it's useful, you could have a Speedy Horse or a Bagful Horse in 50 days and swap them out at the stable. I could use the fast horse for getting around and doing quests, and then the pack horse for farming. Now, I farm dungeons and delves, so I was not going anywhere during these times.

Now, it takes me 120 days to get the same thing.

How about we are able to give our horses each type of feeding each day? We could do that before with 3 horses, I know I have.

MrGhosty

I think we have enough arbitrary mechanics that stretch out the length of time, I would agree with getting rid of the timer. You could even put a cooldown on how many per day you could buy to stretch the time out a bit but if someone has the gold to burn they can do so still. Maybe 5 points per day at the usual 250, then 500, 1000, etc for each point after until the 20 hour timer resets.

UrQuan

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

no, increase the per day limit to 3

that will bring it inline to previous ability when leveling 3 horses at once, and would allow a full riding stat in 60 days.

This makes more sense to me than removing the limit entirely.

phreatophile

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Whatever happened to patience? Building your character and being proud of the time you invested in this. Nope, we need it today! Should we have this too?
<snip WOW pic that burned my eyeballs>

No we ought not have that. But, our possible speed of leveling for horses is 33% of what it was before 1.6 since we can no longer level 3 mounts at once.

Allowing three training sessions per day would make sense

Totally unrelated...why does the WOW orc have massive fangs where his molars belong? They're set to far back to be usable for anything but causing a severe drooling problem.

Divinius

If they removed the timers entirely, then someone could create a second character, transfer 45k gold from their main, and max all 3 stats on the new character instantly.

Or, as another example, I could give 15k gold to a friend that just joined, and get his brand new character 60 more inventory spaces instantly.

15k gold for 60 slots is a FAR better inventory increase that any of the methods. It would be unbalanced. The 60 days it currently takes to max is what balances the horse capacity upgrade.

nerevarine1138

Time sink is a time sink?

Why is everyone so obsessed with instant gratification? If you get everything you want right now, then you'll just be complaining that there's nothing to do in-game.

UrQuan

phreatophile wrote: »

Totally unrelated...why does the WOW orc have massive fangs where his molars belong? They're set to far back to be usable for anything but causing a severe drooling problem.

They're for opening beer bottles without a bottle opener. Obviously.

eventide03b14a_ESO

phreatophile wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Whatever happened to patience? Building your character and being proud of the time you invested in this. Nope, we need it today! Should we have this too?
<snip WOW pic that burned my eyeballs>

No we ought not have that. But, our possible speed of leveling for horses is 33% of what it was before 1.6 since we can no longer level 3 mounts at once.

Allowing three training sessions per day would make sense

Totally unrelated...why does the WOW orc have massive fangs where his molars belong? They're set to far back to be usable for anything but causing a severe drooling problem.

I can't account for any of the ridiculous things WoW does. I was only pointing out that it's not critical for anyone to have a maxed out riding skill. People want to rush to the finish line but then complain when there isn't anything to do.

Endurance

my horse been maxed out since a year ago and u guys complaining

Gidorick

They should put "advanced riding lessons" in the crown store. Pack of 5 lessons for 5000C.

farrier_ESO

Sometimes, you need to think like a game designer.

WHY would you put a one-day timer on something?

So that people play every day, if only a few minutes.

That's pretty huge, and critically important for the game. There are a bunch of similar mechanisms in the game that do the same thing: things like the hireling mails (you only get one every day if you log in every day).

Once you get into guilds, and selling in guild stores, that's another: unless you refill all the slots in your store at least every few days, you're not selling nearly as much as you could.

And there's crafter training: whenever you complete training, you need to learn another thing. If you want to train solidly, then initially, you need to be doing this every few hours, and it's only after a couple of months that you can really start to take days off.

None of these are things that people *must* do - but they're all encouragements to revisit the game periodically. and this massively increases "stickiness".

For the existing people, having to level 30 more points in their senche means another 30 days of stickiness.

(incidentally, yo claim that you're ranking up at 1/3 of the speed you used to be able to is a false comparison: you could *never* have all three of these bonuses at the same time. Now you can. This makes mounts pretty damn uber.)

So think of a fully trained horse as a 180 day loyalty bonus. It gives you *massive* perks, but you need to play the game at least that many times, on separate days, in order to get it.

Gelston

A crown store convenience item will fix this, I'm sure.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

They should put "advanced riding lessons" in the crown store. Pack of 5 lessons for 5000C.

No.

Gelston wrote: »

A crown store convenience item will fix this, I'm sure.

No.

Gelston

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

They should put "advanced riding lessons" in the crown store. Pack of 5 lessons for 5000C.

No.

Gelston wrote: »

A crown store convenience item will fix this, I'm sure.

No.

Not saying I agree with it, but I bet you it happens.

Ashigaru

Sethria wrote: »

I wonder why we need Feeding Timers for Mounts now?

Why not just remove the timers and keep the cost the same for each point, 250g per point.
This would help players that are just starting out in the game and can help get riding skill up a littler faster depending on how much gold they earn to put into points.
And us Vets that have made some extra gold and want to get our new riding skill up to speed.

It's all about the money for most.. over the year you feed the mount for speed or bag space but found it was getting costly feeding 2 or 3 different mounts.
When we was young players gold was an issue at times and we didn't have the gold to fee all our mounts everyday.

Please remove the timers on buying riding skills points, This would help everyone if we just could buy the riding point when we have the extra gold and don't have to wait for timers to level skill.

Or better yet do like all the other skills in game, the more you use your mount the more skill you get and you can choose where the skill goes maybe via skill points

Sinthrax

I don't understand you people. Instant best horse in the game. I would rather them just take the skills out of the game all together and leave them the way they are when you buy them before this suggestion. People don't even want to play a GAME anymore.

BigM

Sinthrax wrote: »

I don't understand you people. Instant best horse in the game. I would rather them just take the skills out of the game all together and leave them the way they are when you buy them before this suggestion. People don't even want to play a GAME anymore.

Exactly this is all I see on here right after the game went B2P, make this easier, I only play 2 hours a day so make xp more, my horse takes to long to level please fix it.

This is why we don't have the great games like EQ, AC, SWG, and never will see them again.

Gidorick

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

They should put "advanced riding lessons" in the crown store. Pack of 5 lessons for 5000C.

No.

Gelston wrote: »

A crown store convenience item will fix this, I'm sure.

No.

Yes.

UrQuan

farrier_ESO wrote: »

Sometimes, you need to think like a game designer.

WHY would you put a one-day timer on something?

So that people play every day, if only a few minutes.

That's pretty huge, and critically important for the game. There are a bunch of similar mechanisms in the game that do the same thing: things like the hireling mails (you only get one every day if you log in every day).

I totally agree with that, which is why I feel that allowing 3 feedings per day is much better than removing the leveling timer entirely.

In fact, the only reason I feel like allowing 3 feedings a day is a good idea is because it seems to me like if you tell a new player that it'll be half a year before his riding skill is as good as it can be, that's discouraging to that new player, and he might just not bother. Previously you only had to spend just under 2 months to get a mount to the best it could be (granted, that "best it could be" wasn't as good as the best it can be now), and with allowing 3 feedings a day you're back to just 2 months to do that.

I feel like the human psyche is much better at accepting "I'll be as good as possible at this in 2 months" than "it's going to take me half a year to get this as good as possible."

I'm no psychologist, though, so I could be completely wrong about this.

Grapdjan

Three a day would be nice

UrQuan

farrier_ESO wrote: »

So think of a fully trained horse as a 180 day loyalty bonus. It gives you *massive* perks, but you need to play the game at least that many times, on separate days, in order to get it.

Incidentally, I just noticed that we have someone named @farrier_ESO commenting in a thread about horses. Everyone, pay attention to this guy! As a farrier he knows horses, and his opinions on the matter should carry more weight!










The fact that I personally agree with him is beside the point...

kijima

Not seeing a problem here, why does everyone want everything immediately.

Doesn't that take away from the progression of a character?

Elsonso

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Whatever happened to patience? Building your character and being proud of the time you invested in this. Nope, we need it today! Should we have this too?

<WOW Level 90 boost image removed>

I am sure we will, eventually.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Time sink is a time sink?

Why is everyone so obsessed with instant gratification? If you get everything you want right now, then you'll just be complaining that there's nothing to do in-game.

They do need a time sink since this is not nearly enough of a gold sink. Maybe if it was 1000 or more gold per point, they could allow up to 4 points per day, but if they are going to keep the same price, I say do the time.

newtinmpls

UrQuan wrote: »

I feel like the human psyche is much better at accepting "I'll be as good as possible at this in 2 months" than "it's going to take me half a year to get this as good as possible."

I'm no psychologist, though, so I could be completely wrong about this.

Well as a graduate student in psych, I will comment that one of the hallmarks of maturity is the ability to participate in activities that offer delayed, rather than immediate gratification.

As far as timers on riding skills go, I would make them longer. It seems to me that actually learning to ride would take more time than this.

UrQuan

newtinmpls wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I feel like the human psyche is much better at accepting "I'll be as good as possible at this in 2 months" than "it's going to take me half a year to get this as good as possible."

I'm no psychologist, though, so I could be completely wrong about this.

Well as a graduate student in psych, I will comment that one of the hallmarks of maturity is the ability to participate in activities that offer delayed, rather than immediate gratification.

That makes sense, but... How many people do you think actually have that level of maturity? I always like to believe the best of any given individual (until I see evidence otherwise), but I think I've got a pretty jaded opinion of people as a whole...