Annoyed With Character Delete Limit

Talrune

I am very picky when creating my character and been making diff types to see what I like and I only wish to play one and keep the NAME so making an alt I would lose the name...I have used up my 3 deletes HOW MUCH longer must I wait to play as I have decided on a class and now cannot make it with the NAME i wish as its on the test character I was making. Very annoying feature. I know it is there to prevent gold spammers what have you but it does penalize legitimate players like me.

And would be nice to KNOW when you are due to get another delete...poor things like this that are thought out and implemented into this game is why it has had such a rough go from the start.

*rant off*

Robbmrp

Yeah, it's absurd that you can only delete 3 characters. Why is there a limit on this anyway? They should remove the Delete limit and impose a 3 Restore limit.

Cody

it was set in place to get rid of the bots and gold spammers that plagued the game at launch.

its fine the way it is in my opinion.

Livvy

I believe how it works is...once you use your three deletes, you gain back one delete every 24 hours.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Agreed. I want to make new characters to experience different play styles. It would keep me playing longer.

Flynch

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

Kragorn

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

False dichotomy .. it's the lazy way out that treats players as collateral damage in ZOSs war against RMT/bots, other MMOs have dealt with the same problems without severely inconveniencing their playersin this way.

Flynch

Kragorn wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

False dichotomy .. it's the lazy way out that treats players as collateral damage is ZOS war against RMT/bots.

Like I said - it's either this or the army of bots - I didn't say it was the best way to deter bots. It's just all we have right now.

Elridge

you went through 8 characters.. deleted 3.. then made 3 more and still couldn't decide?.. that's 11 characters o.o

If a name and being picky is a problem.. you shoulda named characters 1-10 random things and used the 11th as your final decision with the actual name o.o

I think the good heavily outweighs the bad here...

Hypertionb14_ESO

they used to have a double check for your character..

they need to re-implement that so you can at least fix minor errors.

Flynch

They could also have an overwrite function that is outside of the 3 delete remit, that allows you to overwrite a character in your account with another character with the same desired name.

This would then turn the old character name into garbled text and allows you to create a new character with the desired name (which takes up another slot anyway) and you can then delete the garbled 'bodged' character the day after (or as part of the initial 3 deletes)

edit: grammar

Darklord_Tiberius

How ZOS does the anti-bot 3 limit delete works great. Here is a pro tip, before you make your character make sure it is what you want. Just because you get to level 10 and want to change your hair isnt ZOS fault, its your own fault for being so indecisive.

pema

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

I presume ZOS blocks the account not the char. Not sure why it would lead to more spam.
I don't have this issue but maby make it for loyal members. Playing a while?

nerevarine1138

Kragorn wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

False dichotomy .. it's the lazy way out that treats players as collateral damage in ZOSs war against RMT/bots, other MMOs have dealt with the same problems without severely inconveniencing their playersin this way.

Name one other MMO that has "dealt" with the problem of bots.

The delete limit fix (and whatever stuff came along with it) was one of the single most effective anti-bot actions I've seen in a game to date. It literally stopped botting overnight. So the solution here is not to appease the fraction of a percent of players who can't handle creating a character without deleting 5 more.

Ourorboros

Cody wrote: »

it was set in place to get rid of the bots and gold spammers that plagued the game at launch.

its fine the way it is in my opinion.

This

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

And this....

Elridge wrote: »

you went through 8 characters.. deleted 3.. then made 3 more and still couldn't decide?.. that's 11 characters o.o

If a name and being picky is a problem.. you shoulda named characters 1-10 random things and used the 11th as your final decision with the actual name o.o

I think the good heavily outweighs the bad here...

And more of this. There have to controls, rules, limits in place and no way that some of them will not be something that not everyone likes. I wouldn't mind if my state legalized pot too, but until it does, guess I'll have to drink it up!

driosketch

Kragorn wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

False dichotomy .. it's the lazy way out that treats players as collateral damage in ZOSs war against RMT/bots, other MMOs have dealt with the same problems without severely inconveniencing their players in this way.

Considering this led to virtually zero visual bots in game and no more gold spam when before it was a flood, I'd say their way is already super effective.

Given that this is a minor inconvenience to a small percentage of players, and that allowing players to edit characters after creation would be a far more useful fix, I don't see any good reason to ever consider removing the delete limit. Especially not now that the game is B2P.

Fleshreaper

Kragorn wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

False dichotomy .. it's the lazy way out that treats players as collateral damage in ZOSs war against RMT/bots, other MMOs have dealt with the same problems without severely inconveniencing their playersin this way.

False?? When is the last time you saw a gold seller? It's working and I love it. I vote to leave it like it is. What the OP said doesn't even make sense. He can play around with the classes and character setup without creating a new toon, all he has to do is cancel, instead of creating the toon and he won't loose a delete toon.

WraithAzraiel

cgipervert wrote: »

Agreed. I want to make new characters to experience different play styles. It would keep me playing longer.

You have 8 character slots with which to do that. Use them, then delete the ones you don't like when you have deletes available.

Flynch

pema wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

I presume ZOS blocks the account not the char. Not sure why it would lead to more spam.
I don't have this issue but maby make it for loyal members. Playing a while?

It used to be that they would recycle characters on an account to avoid being banned. They'd spam in chat, then rinse/repeat - anyone trying to report the name would get 'character does not exist' or something similar.

Even if i'm incorrect in my assertion, and the true reason was something else, the 3 delete limit completed silenced the bot spam and bot farming.

Hadria

This is the best option I've ever seen at stopping bots, I never see any gold spammers, bots, anything anymore since early release. They're doing a great job and just because you change your mind every 5 mins is not their problem.

WraithAzraiel

Besides, they're working on a post creation character customization system. Just be patient.

UrQuan

There were multiple things done by ZOS to eliminate the bots and gold sellers. The combination of those efforts got rid of them wholesale. The character deletion limit was one of the most effective things done to this end. It should absolutely not be removed just because it inconveniences a handful of legitimate players who can't get their character right on the first, second, third, or fourth try. If you can't get your character right after 4 tries (your initial attempt, plus 3 more after you've deleted 3 attempts), then you can wait 24 hours to get 1 delete back.

Cody

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Besides, they're working on a post creation character customization system. Just be patient.

a post customization system is a much better alternative.'

keep the bots out. we do not need them stealing all the nodes and all the XP from dungeons and bosses.

AlnilamE

pema wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Currently it's either this or a flood/army of bots. I know what i'll vote for.

I presume ZOS blocks the account not the char. Not sure why it would lead to more spam.
I don't have this issue but maby make it for loyal members. Playing a while?

When the game launched, gold sellers would create a random character, port to a city and do a very quick quest for a gold reward. Delete character, create a new one and repeat 100x/hour. And then flood zone chat an our mail boxes with gold spam sites.

The character deletion limit put an end to that.

OP: As other's said, if you want to try out different builds, name them A, B, C and D, try them out and then when you pick the one you want, create a character with the name you have chosen and go have fun!

UrQuan

Cody wrote: »

keep the bots out. we do not need them stealing all the nodes and all the XP from dungeons and bosses.

I agree with you, but it's worth pointing out that that's not the specific type of bot that the character deletion limit addresses. It addresses the "create a new character, teleport to a friend in The Rift, hand in a quest that only requires you to walk around town, get the gold, delete the character, rinse repeat" bots used by gold sellers.

Concenaros

If you're creating more than 8 characters you shouldn't complain about the deletion limitation.

How do you use up all 8 slots and then more? Technically you have 8 slots to start and 11 if you use all of your deletions right off the bat.

I understand the need for toons and alts, which makes sense for the 8 slots initially. If you're just picky about appearance of your character then just use the character creator and view them, don't confirm your creation unless you're sure you're going to be using that character/are willing to spend a character slot.

I really don't see an issue with this and I currently have all my slots used up. 4 characters I use which are my main and 3 alts, then I have 4 slots for either toons or just extra characters.

Darklord_Tiberius

So many people do not even remember the army of bots in delves and such, how hilarious! ZOS should let the bot armies return for a week and see how all these people like it then.

When you have 10-15 bots waiting for delve end bosses to re spawn and you cannot get a hit in because they instant kill it, hence no completion for the delve; will you complain then?

When you try and go farming for nodes and you have 2-4 bots waiting on each node to pick it up; will you complain then?

When you get spammed with in-game mail and whispers from bot sellers; will you comlain then?

Yea that is what I thought.

RealRobD

This was a good solution at one point. It could definitely be scaled back these days though.

nerevarine1138

RealRobD wrote: »

This was a good solution at one point. It could definitely be scaled back these days though.

Why do you think it could be scaled back? And why do you think that it was only a good solution at one point? Did someone kill all the gold-sellers?

UrQuan

Concenaros wrote: »

If you're creating more than 8 characters you shouldn't complain about the deletion limitation.

How do you use up all 8 slots and then more? Technically you have 8 slots to start and 11 if you use all of your deletions right off the bat.

I understand the need for toons and alts, which makes sense for the 8 slots initially. If you're just picky about appearance of your character then just use the character creator and view them, don't confirm your creation unless you're sure you're going to be using that character/are willing to spend a character slot.

I really don't see an issue with this and I currently have all my slots used up. 4 characters I use which are my main and 3 alts, then I have 4 slots for either toons or just extra characters.

To be fair, those aren't the reasons legitimate players usually run out of deletes. It's because the way your character looks in the character creation menus isn't exactly the same as the way your character looks in-game, and people who are picky about their character appearance tend to also be picky about their character name, so they want to keep the same name, and that means deleting the character before creating a new one.

I'm not unsympathetic to the people who legitimately run up against the character deletion for reasons like this, but the solution is not to remove the limit. The limit is there for a very good reason.

The solution is to allow you to adjust the way your character looks after you've had a chance to see your character in-game. I think there should be a small cooling-down period, during which you can (for free) adjust anything about your character, from looks to name to class to race. Make it after a certain period of time, or after you hit level 5 (whichever comes first) you're locked in. And then put a barber shop in the crown store that lets you pay to make cosmetic adjustments later if you still want to.

UrQuan

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RealRobD wrote: »

This was a good solution at one point. It could definitely be scaled back these days though.

Why do you think it could be scaled back? And why do you think that it was only a good solution at one point? Did someone kill all the gold-sellers?

Well, now that gold-sellers don't even have to pay a subscription it's far less important to make sure they stay out of the game. Wait, I think there might be a flaw in my logic somewhere...