corpses in the cities

Moonscythe

I'm not crazy about the whole slaughter the NPCs aspect of the justice system but that isn't my complaint/comment here. What I'm having a real problem with is the corpses hanging around. Yesterday I came on a groundskeeper in Auridon busy raking grass around his own corpse. Today I walked out of the manor in Auridon and found four corpses on the ground with 3 Eagle Talons and a councilor standing there ignoring the carnage. That's just wrong. Can't the other NPCs react, maybe have a guard investigating, or at least make the bodies disappear very fast?

genchaos9b14_ESO

Moonscythe wrote: »

Yesterday I came on a groundskeeper in Auridon busy raking grass around his own corpse.

This part made me laugh out loud.

Moonscythe

Well, yeah, it was funny, but still...

k9mouse

I feel the same way. I do not want to see clones of dead, but now alive NPCs. Let them disappear fast for the everyone, but the the person who killed the NPC in the 1st place. In other words, dead NPCs should be instanced.

Siguno

I miss the LOL button... and i also agree whit you.

FooWasHere

+1 on this, it looks completely absurd.

UrQuan

Moonscythe wrote: »

Yesterday I came on a groundskeeper in Auridon busy raking grass around his own corpse.

I've had days where it felt like that's what I was doing...

liquid_wolf

Maybe they need another NPC that goes around picking up the bodies of dead players/npcs in the area?

Gilvoth

i loved it in skyrim how the guard would bend down and say

"hmmm ... this body is still warm, seems like a fresh kill, YOU THERE, STOP"

and then he would aproach you or a passer by and ask if knew anything about the dead body, freekin halarious. especially since it was me killed it and was a dark brotherhood hit.

UrQuan

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Maybe they need another NPC that goes around picking up the bodies of dead players/npcs in the area?

Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!

Robbmrp

They should animate the Guards so that they bring a cart over, load the body up and take it away. Or couldn't they implement community service for those hardened criminals now and make them come and remove X number of bodies based on their bounty level. Sounds like a new idea for a Quest right there....

bellanca6561n

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Maybe they need another NPC that goes around picking up the bodies of dead players/npcs in the area?

Shouting, "Bring out your dead!"

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I still find the whole system bizarre. You can murder NPC's all you want but as long as you have the gold to pay your fine (or wait out the KOS) the cities seem to be ok with it. WTF!

If your caught murdering or caught with a murder warrant I think your toon should go to jail for x number of days forcing you to play with an alt until your incarceration is up. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Athas24

It could certainly use some cleaning up as it can really ruin the immersion. I saw a lady standing on top of her corpse in town the other day and it was really distracting.

UrQuan

cgipervert wrote: »

I still find the whole system bizarre. You can murder NPC's all you want but as long as you have the gold to pay your fine (or wait out the KOS) the cities seem to be ok with it. WTF!

The concept of weregild seems to be alive and well across Tamriel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

Robbmrp

Ohhh, how about having the NPS's turn into Werewolves and eat the bodies so they disappear faster!

Dekkameron

HAHA! Funniest thread i have read all day! I actually hurt myself laughing.

bellanca6561n

UrQuan wrote: »

cgipervert wrote: »

I still find the whole system bizarre. You can murder NPC's all you want but as long as you have the gold to pay your fine (or wait out the KOS) the cities seem to be ok with it. WTF!

The concept of weregild seems to be alive and well across Tamriel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

Yep, UrQuan, it's where guilt comes from I believe....sorry, off topic...

UrQuan

bellanca6561n wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

cgipervert wrote: »

I still find the whole system bizarre. You can murder NPC's all you want but as long as you have the gold to pay your fine (or wait out the KOS) the cities seem to be ok with it. WTF!

The concept of weregild seems to be alive and well across Tamriel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

Yep, UrQuan, it's where guilt comes from I believe....sorry, off topic...

You must have been able to hear me groaning over the internet at that one...

Gidorick

What could be done about this? Just have the body disappear before a new "live" version of the character spawns?

UrQuan

Gidorick wrote: »

What could be done about this? Just have the body disappear before a new "live" version of the character spawns?

Heck, the body could disappear at the same time that the new "live" version spawns. Or maybe the body could just stand up and become the new "live" version.

"You were dead!"
"I got better..."

Miszou

cgipervert wrote: »

If your caught murdering or caught with a murder warrant I think your toon should go to jail for x number of days forcing you to play with an alt until your incarceration is up. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

... or just remove a few levels from a couple of skills, like Skyrim does.

for example:
Your lack of training while incarcerated has caused your two-handed skill to decrease by 3 ranks and your medium armor skill to decrease by 2 ranks.

Rev Rielle

Yes, I totally agree. As is almost always the case with new significant content, there should be some serious balances in the near future.

I think the corpse piling up problem is compounded by the ease in which you can get away with murder right now. A prime example of just how silly it is at times is at undaunted camps. Kill one of the undaunted friends there and the others do not react at all. Nothing. Hopefully things like this will be fixed in future, for really NPCs like Lodiss the Rock and Hel Ra'Lala wouldn't need a second invitation to cleave a murderer in half. Especially if you've just murdered a friend of theirs right next to them.

In all honesty, if you kill one of the undaunted's friends I think you shouldn't be able to pick up any undaunted pledges for two days. It would be nice to have at least a little consequence for our actions come back into MMOs. After all, it's an extremely important (and oft overlooked) part about making an online world feel alive, real and enjoyable.

Kalfis

Nope. Keep the corpses.

Find a less populated city if it annoys you.

Gidorick

UrQuan wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

What could be done about this? Just have the body disappear before a new "live" version of the character spawns?

Heck, the body could disappear at the same time that the new "live" version spawns. Or maybe the body could just stand up and become the new "live" version.

"You were dead!"
"I got better..."

I would like maybe a sorc in each town that runs around healing people... this might give us players the opportunity to rez the NPCs ourselves too.

could be an interesting mechanic.

Cazic

k9mouse wrote: »

I feel the same way. I do not want to see clones of dead, but now alive NPCs. Let them disappear fast for the everyone, but the the person who killed the NPC in the 1st place. In other words, dead NPCs should be instanced.

cgipervert wrote: »

I still find the whole system bizarre. You can murder NPC's all you want but as long as you have the gold to pay your fine (or wait out the KOS) the cities seem to be ok with it. WTF!

If your caught murdering or caught with a murder warrant I think your toon should go to jail for x number of days forcing you to play with an alt until your incarceration is up. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I can appreciate and understand you guys' intentions here.. ideally the system would be more polished and make more sense as far as realism goes. But it's like you're forgetting that this is a MMO. There will always have to be some compromise with systems like this in MMOs.

Why would they take the time/effort to instance NPC corpses (if that's even possible) when the only real issue with it is that it takes away from realism a bit? It's not actually interfering with your gameplay at all. Having the corpses disappear quickly is likely the only solution to be applied in this case.

Same goes for doing jail time. Yeah obviously that's more realistic but imagine the negative reactions from players who are then unable to play their characters for long periods of time. It's just not feasible in a MMO.

Bottom line is we're lucky to have the Justice System. It's awesome, and I'm sure it will be polished more over time, but just keep your expectations in line and remember that this is a MMO.

Ourorboros

Reminds me of Vincent D'Onofrio from the movie "The Cell", saying "It's not real". Get a grip on reality, it's just a game, they are DIGITAL bodies. Take advantage of it and go ahead and loot the corpses risk free. Have you never killed a mudcrab? They are neutral until you attack them. How about killing in combat? Does that make you a murderer? No, nor even a soldier, cuz "IT'S NOT REAL". If you disagree, maybe you take roleplaying a little too seriously.

GreySix

Kalfis wrote: »

Nope. Keep the corpses.

Find a less populated city if it annoys you.

I'm okay with that, so long as the offending player is then butchered by the city guard, and his (or her) body is left to rot for the same amount of time.

Gilvoth

i wonder if "necromancy" could fit some where in this ....

Robbmrp

Gidorick wrote: »

What could be done about this? Just have the body disappear before a new "live" version of the character spawns?

Why not have a group of skeevers run up and eat the body till it disappears??? Give it a cool animation on the clean up. Anything but just disappearing would be an improvement.

GreySix

Robbmrp wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

What could be done about this? Just have the body disappear before a new "live" version of the character spawns?

Why not have a group of skeevers run up and eat the body till it disappears??? Give it a cool animation on the clean up. Anything but just disappearing would be an improvement.

... and then dogs could come in and take away the skeleton a few bones at a time.