The Worst Nerf in ESO

wOOOOt_of_SD

- XP - its harder than ever to level as veteran.
And I have a feeling that XP and grindspots are nerfed to force us to buy XP potions.

Where is the logic in making every Vet level cost 1 million XP, but the xp rewards are smaller the lower vet level you are?

ZOS is shutting Down every spot worth grinding for kill XP. Pre 1.6 we had at least boring grinding as an option.. Now ESO has less options,
and more strict system than ever.

Right now as a veteran level you have to totally clear every vet zone for every quest, dolmen, boss and dungeon to even level up.
Its a sick system forcing players to do ALL PVE content. Don't ZOS realise that many of us just want to play ESO because of the PVP?

Why is ZOS nerfing and killing grindspots?
Either they have a stupid plan that every character MUST play all content, or its to force us to buy XP potions from the Crown shop.

If the story of the PVE zones is so great, then make it a free option for those who love story.
Personally im sick of it. Im V7 now on my second char, and 1 time was WAY MORE than enough. 1-50 was great, but silver and gold
is just plain questing hell - when you are a pvp player.

Does ZOS hate PVP players?

Theosis

I still have never reached max level and I don't think I ever will be.

Forcing us to spend hours grinding seams a very serious design flaw.

spoqster

I see it the same way. I am not even a big pvp player.

Watching House of Cards does not give you anything, no real life xp and no magical vacuum cleaners. You do it because it is good entertainment. It should be the same with quests.

Scamandros

I remember back around launch they released a bunch of interesting facts about the game, one of which was how many mudcrabs you would need to kill to reach max level, and it was an obscene number.
I would be interested in seeing that number compared to what it would take now with them being worth around 4xp each

zeuseason

Cool story bro: saw a player grind out 5 vet levels in one day in one of these 'removed grind spots'. More power to them tho, I'm not a grinder!

As I quest, I still see lots of small groups grinding out their characters.

And, since you are a pvp player, why even care about levels really past 50?

paulsimonps

I leveled a new character very recently and by doing all the quests, delves, group bosses, public dungeons, group dungeons and dolmens in all zones including Cyrodiil I only got to Vr11 So the last 3 ranks I had to spend in Craglorn grinding, something that is now almost impossible. I hate Grinding but I can see why people don't want to do the same quests over and over, but the only thing I would want is for the quests to give more exp to balance it out so that all you need to do to get to Vr14 is to do the existing content.

On a side note, please buff up the exp given from doing daily craglorn quests, like not the actual dungeons but the quests itself. For if you want to encourage people to do your content and not just grind that is a good way to give people the CP they need while making them do content.

wOOOOt_of_SD

zeuseason wrote: »

Cool story bro: saw a player grind out 5 vet levels in one day in one of these 'removed grind spots'. More power to them tho, I'm not a grinder!

As I quest, I still see lots of small groups grinding out their characters.

And, since you are a pvp player, why even care about levels really past 50?

There are maybe a few small areas where you can grind mobs for limited xp. Not 5 vet levels the same spot. And not fast, not even decent speed.

And apparantly you have no clue to how PVP Works. My V14 will win 10/10 fights against your lvl 50.

Shader_Shibes

I went from v11 to v14 last week in a couple of days, without spending ridiculously long hours of grinding. There are still decent, not great, grinding spots out there, just gotta know where they are ;D

JaJaLuka

I have no problems with levelling being hard or long, but the content to do it is either lacking (from v10-14) or so mind numbingly boring and repetitive that grinding was a far better option for most people.

Froggmann5

God forbid that Zenimax wants their game to have LONGEVITY.

Most of you seem to forget that it used to be exponential XP gains. Meaning that VR 11-12 was OVER 10 MILLION XP. If anything, it's easier now to level an alt to VR14 than it was months ago.

Most people that are complaining literally don't have the patience. You can grind out five Vet levels in one day currently.

None of you would make it in any other MMO where it can take YEARS to get ONE skill to max level (looking at you Runescape).

Quit asking Zenimax to hold your hand and give you free levels. It isn't going to happen.

malkraven

zeuseason wrote: »

Cool story bro: saw a player grind out 5 vet levels in one day in one of these 'removed grind spots'. More power to them tho, I'm not a grinder!

As I quest, I still see lots of small groups grinding out their characters.

And, since you are a pvp player, why even care about levels really past 50?

Wrong game bro, move along.

derpsticks

Just out of curiosity, how long does everyone in this thread think leveling to VR14 should take? I'm talking in terms of time /played.

What about maxing your alliance war rank?

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Asking why PvP players care about leveling to VR14 is literally asking why they care about a 30% increase in armor rating, because that is the difference between VR1 and VR14 gear. Battle leveling compensates for some of the difference, but not all of it. A VR14 character is still considerably stronger than a VR1 character battle leveled to VR5.

Having VR rank make a difference in Cyrodiil is a terrible idea, but that is the game they are providing right now.
I don't do any PvP at all myself, but I feel the pain of those who want to focus on it.

On the other hand, with Cyrodiil basically being out of commission right now, it's probably wise to force PvP players to do PvE. Those who can enjoy it will have a reason to stay and not give up on the game altogether.

Delsskia

I can only speak for myself, but the best way I've found to level is a quest/grind combo. As I was leveling, I rarely used my mount. Rather, I ran everywhere and killed everything between my starting point and destination as I quested through zones. All the extra kills gave me a ton of additional xp as well as gold from vendor trash, items to deconstruct or sell and, combined with the quests, always kept me at least 1 level ahead of the zone I was in.

Some days I didn't feel like questing and just ground out giants, trolls or whatever for the achievements.

All that said, once you've done every quest in every zone on one toon, it can get mind numbingly boring to do it again on subsequent toons. And completing Cadwell's Gold is immensely anticlimactic.

Mix

Delsskia wrote: »

All that said, once you've done every quest in every zone on one toon, it can get mind numbingly boring to do it again on subsequent toons. And completing Cadwell's Gold is immensely anticlimactic.

I love quests and was not in a hurry to level to max, but I hit vr14 about 1/4 of the way into Reaper's March (v10) quests. I also didn't ride my horse much while questing, but would explore and kill everything between myself and my destination (and pick up any crafting resource).

I quote this because the reward for Cadwell's gold, the quest, was extremely disappointing. It needs to be something unique and long-lived. Something like a costume/mount/pet/vanity item where the usefulness isn't determined by your player's level and current gear. I know there is an achievement/title and I love achievements and titles but it does need a tangible reward equal to the effort spent to complete the quest.

Merlin13KAGL

You're complaining about 1,000,000 XP's per level...you should have been here before they capped it...

You'd be begging to have 1,000,000 back.

Valnas

Froggmann5 wrote: »

God forbid that Zenimax wants their game to have LONGEVITY.

Most of you seem to forget that a lot of games used to release actual playable dontent to acheive this. Instead of a entirely vertical progression (lvls, champion points, b2win) you add slightly more challenging content that utilizes the existing progression. You can't just lop on new super hero powers, you upgrade/alter/trade what you've got. More options instead of bigger hammers.

You don't need to redo 4 classes and core combat mechanics to release say, 3 raiding zones and an overland area for us all to quest in. Add the imperial city that's been rumored for a year so pvp'ers aren't stuck on a static map that is basically getting unplayable.

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

uhhh so am i the only one that knows you get 10% exp from Cyrodiil Quest Hub Dailies?

bloodenragedb14_ESO

once i reached vr 10 i stopped grinding, and started just exploring and having fun. its been two weeks of that and im almost at vr 12.

the vr system is not my most favorite thing, but at least its progression of some kind. IF they would just lessen the mind breaking grinding it takes for one level of vr, then i dont think anyone would have any problem with it

Jitterbug

Feel like I'll never reach vr14 with the limited amount of time I have to play and seeing I want to try out different things and basically have fun with the game.
I would still love to be able to PvP though as that has been my main focus of every mmo I've played. It just seems kinda pointless to PvP with a battleleveled character, even the vr11 I have stands no chance (at least in my hands) against a vr14.

I'm not blaming the game for that though, or even complaining, just saying that a full year of casual gaming hasn't brought me even near vr14 on any one of my characters.

McDoogs

Froggmann5 wrote: »

God forbid that Zenimax wants their game to have LONGEVITY.

Most of you seem to forget that it used to be exponential XP gains. Meaning that VR 11-12 was OVER 10 MILLION XP. If anything, it's easier now to level an alt to VR14 than it was months ago.

No it wasn't. It was never that high. VR11-12 was like 6mil, but also things like VR10 dolmen's/delves/caldwell's gold achievements/magical anomalies gave 90k XP

born2beagator

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

- XP - its harder than ever to level as veteran.
And I have a feeling that XP and grindspots are nerfed to force us to buy XP potions.

Where is the logic in making every Vet level cost 1 million XP, but the xp rewards are smaller the lower vet level you are?

ZOS is shutting Down every spot worth grinding for kill XP. Pre 1.6 we had at least boring grinding as an option.. Now ESO has less options,
and more strict system than ever.

Right now as a veteran level you have to totally clear every vet zone for every quest, dolmen, boss and dungeon to even level up.
Its a sick system forcing players to do ALL PVE content. Don't ZOS realise that many of us just want to play ESO because of the PVP?

Why is ZOS nerfing and killing grindspots?
Either they have a stupid plan that every character MUST play all content, or its to force us to buy XP potions from the Crown shop.

If the story of the PVE zones is so great, then make it a free option for those who love story.
Personally im sick of it. Im V7 now on my second char, and 1 time was WAY MORE than enough. 1-50 was great, but silver and gold
is just plain questing hell - when you are a pvp player.

Does ZOS hate PVP players?

Lucky I'm not a PVP player

Sallington

Good news everyone! You'll be able to buy XP boost potions from the cash store.

Working as intended.

Kragorn

Froggmann5 wrote: »

You can grind out five Vet levels in one day currently.

5m XP in a day .. really .. not without exploiting something you can't.

Jamersonb16_ESO

It's sad to say but the reason they can't give more xp for PvP is us. There is a significant proportion of players who will glitch and exploit any system to gain an advantage and they would just team up with a friend and trade kills, gaining way more xp than designed.

If they made 'normal' activities in PvP give a sensible amount of xp, exploiters will gain way way more. Look at the situation with PvE, the xp for dungeons, killing mobs while playing the game 'normally' has been massively nerfed because otherwise exploiters will cheat/glich the system by repeatedly killing one mob or room to gain way more xp than is intended.

The exploiters will whine about 'I should be able to play the way I want and do the activities I enjoy' but that's bs. People don't mindlessly do the same thing over and over again for fun, they do it to unfairly gain a competitive advantage over other people and feel like the big shot.

In summary, no xp in PvP and no xp for PvE other than turning in time-gated quests is entirely due to us, the players, exploiting behind the justification of 'grinding'. It's our fault, not the devs.

crowfl56

Here's the things folks, you can't justify using exploits and calling it something else to make it right, come on kids, play the game as designed, quit all the whinning. Today's players just can't stand not being able to be top level in 5 days, no matter what game they play. Why do you think certain game's give to max level now just to get them to play?

wOOOOt_of_SD

derpsticks wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how long does everyone in this thread think leveling to VR14 should take? I'm talking in terms of time /played.

What about maxing your alliance war rank?

I can only answer for myself, but 1-50 took me exactly 3 days played. Thats 72 hours, wich for me is exactly what it should take in an mmo to get from 1 to max level.

Now ESO has Silver and Gold Veteran system, which in my Humble opinion should be purely optional, but still rewarding.
A reasonable playthrough here would be another 72 hours. But players should have a free option to gain those xp i other ways, like pvp, dungeon runs and mob grinding. YES - those are the options we have already, but they are just not viable options when you compare the XP.

And some say there are still Places to AOE grind?? Where?? - I know 1 spot that right now was pretty good at V2-6. And that spot is so small, than with more than 3-5 players there, it not worth a damn.
We need viable grinding of normal mobs in all areas. 300-400xp pr. kill is a joke.

wOOOOt_of_SD

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You're complaining about 1,000,000 XP's per level...you should have been here before they capped it...

You'd be begging to have 1,000,000 back.

I was here before they capped it, and it was easier in the beginning to make 10 Million, than it is now to make 1.
Im begging to have it the old way!

ThePestilent

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

- XP - its harder than ever to level as veteran.
And I have a feeling that XP and grindspots are nerfed to force us to buy XP potions.

Yesterday I was VR13 with 0% more going toward VR14. Before the day ended I was VR14. I did this almost purely through grinding.

VR14 was a lot harder to level than the others; I went from VR7 to VR13 in the two days before that. It is definitely still doable.

EQBallzz

Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »

It's sad to say but the reason they can't give more xp for PvP is us. There is a significant proportion of players who will glitch and exploit any system to gain an advantage and they would just team up with a friend and trade kills, gaining way more xp than designed.

If they made 'normal' activities in PvP give a sensible amount of xp, exploiters will gain way way more. Look at the situation with PvE, the xp for dungeons, killing mobs while playing the game 'normally' has been massively nerfed because otherwise exploiters will cheat/glich the system by repeatedly killing one mob or room to gain way more xp than is intended.

The exploiters will whine about 'I should be able to play the way I want and do the activities I enjoy' but that's bs. People don't mindlessly do the same thing over and over again for fun, they do it to unfairly gain a competitive advantage over other people and feel like the big shot.

In summary, no xp in PvP and no xp for PvE other than turning in time-gated quests is entirely due to us, the players, exploiting behind the justification of 'grinding'. It's our fault, not the devs.

I think you are right that people will exploit any PvP system that provides good XP. That being said they could implement a slightly different system for PvP. Something akin to the new ultimate gain buff that would give players a reasonable (but capped) XP gain buff that lasts X minutes and gets refreshed each time you enter PvP combat (or something similar).

Maidenname

paulsimonps wrote: »

I leveled a new character very recently and by doing all the quests, delves, group bosses, public dungeons, group dungeons and dolmens in all zones including Cyrodiil I only got to Vr11 So the last 3 ranks I had to spend in Craglorn grinding, something that is now almost impossible. I hate Grinding but I can see why people don't want to do the same quests over and over, but the only thing I would want is for the quests to give more exp to balance it out so that all you need to do to get to Vr14 is to do the existing content.

On a side note, please buff up the exp given from doing daily craglorn quests, like not the actual dungeons but the quests itself. For if you want to encourage people to do your content and not just grind that is a good way to give people the CP they need while making them do content.

I agree... I PVP as well as PvE but more towards the later. Since the daily repeatables in craglorn has 24 hours cool down, for goodness sake, please increase the total experience gained when turning in the completed quests. The fights are so long on some of the upper craglorn that's its not even worth doing it at all since killing the small mobs inside gives 9 xp. And for heaven sake, some of the boss fights are challenging to an average group (I brought in different players with different level of skills) that it's not a walk through sometime, please improve the loot drops or the quest rewards. It's not a smart way to encourage long term players that try to gain champion points by doing all these SAME repeatable long quests with small puny rewards and xp for final quest completion. You can't blame players for expecting new contents update ASAP if you keep finding trash rewards (green value stuff) in the boss chest loots or quest rewards. Random kills on open world mobs gives better loot drop purple or blue. It's getting ridiculous even to a patient player like me.

I like this game very much and enjoying the Justice system . But I don't want to deceive myself and deny all the problems the game is facing each and everyday when Zenemax is changing its marketing structure and direction of the gameplay today. Strong feedback is good but a more constructive one is appreciated. No thanks to troll comments nor die hard fanboys please.