ESO Live Information Poll

Kingdinguhling

Honestly this could just be a personal preference or it could be something that everyone is thinking and really wants to know.

I have been watching the ESO Live's for a while now and I have noticed that most of it is just full of jokes, someone life history, events for role players and then a few giveaways.

the rest of it is a Q&A that usually is stuff that people really never even thought of. I understand that some of these are viable arguments or problems, and yes they should be addressed. but we are not all worried about hiding armor pads... etc

My main concern is that we really aren't getting much information as to where the game is heading.

I am just speculating but I would guess that over 85-90% of your customers are curious about future patches or implementation of features or content.

It feels to me that either the Devs are either afraid to announce information or are saving the information for bigger audiences as a marketing ploy.

I guess what im trying to say is we are here for the game and are tuning in to see where the game is going. the giveaways are nice and the Q&A is ok but the questions selected seem directed at a small percentage or minor features.

But what we really want is information on fixes, bugs, implementation, and content (WE LOVE CONTENT). We understand to keep the ESO live episode fun and upbeat and not just a power point presentation we need small things like "Give-Aways" or the "Find the Black Cat". but a whole segment of life at ZOS is kinda weird and could be moved to another outlet.

I wonder if there are others out here that feels this way if so share your opinion.

We like the game but not all of us are role players it sounds like they love it but it doesn't sound like everyone's cup of tea.

I guess what I'm asking is can we get more content out of this for the really hungry gamers out there.

I'm not trying to be negative... just constructive. I am certain teasers and information regarding updates are a lot more effective at retaining consumer attention.

Also just for future notice. It scares a lot of us when every answer there is something to do with the crown store. (Its never gonna be the main course of the meal. Its like you are suggesting we have really good brussel sprouts if you don't really like how we cooked your steak)

Dazin93

I watched it once and quickly saw that they ignored the majority of questions that were being asked and chose instead to focus on what I found to be small and trivial things. Perhaps there is a segment of players that enjoys the banter, but I am not one of them so I have never watched another episode.

I suppose they can be applauded in a sense for their community outreach similar to how they meet with guilds. However, I have a results focused mindset, and talk to me is meaningless, if not substantiated with positive results.

Reykice

Well they mostly ignored the important questions and answered questions about architecture in cities and other lame things like that... who even asks those questions and why are those the only ones answered while the balance or future content questions don`t get any attention.

Why even bother making a Q&A if you skip the questions most people want to know and pick the convenient ones...

Kingdinguhling

Thank you - sadly I'm on the same page...

Kevinmon

Completely agree, ESO live doesn't say anything new about the game.

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Darkonflare15

Well it is no point in them telling players about new content if they are not 100% sure about the content. We will get ancy players asking when does this come out or you promise your loyal players this content. In my opinion it is best for the players to find out about new content when it is close to coming out because the so call loyal players will turn into two face players when there is no promise content coming out and then it becomes ESO politics. Players will start mudslinging ZOS and pick apart anything they say to use against ZOS to rally up like minded players for agrees and awesomes and when they get what they want, they will become loyal players again while a new party of loyal players will start complaining about the fixes. Oh wait that is what happening right now and will continue to happen because ZOS cannot please everyone. Oh the irony.

Valymer

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Well it is no point in them telling players about new content if they are not 100% sure about the content.

Like Quakecon?

Lord_Kreegan

With EVERY mmo, these sorts of things (live sessions, forums, etc.) are part of the marketing drill. Keep that in mind.

They have no desire to keep you informed. They are not obliged to keep you informed. They are only throwing meat to the hungry beasts, not trying to tame them.

Kingdinguhling

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Well it is no point in them telling players about new content if they are not 100% sure about the content. We will get ancy players asking when does this come out or you promise your loyal players this content. In my opinion it is best for the players to find out about new content when it is close to coming out because the so call loyal players will turn into two face players when there is no promise content coming out and then it becomes ESO politics. Players will start mudslinging ZOS and pick apart anything they say to use against ZOS to rally up like minded players for agrees and awesomes and when they get what they want, they will become loyal players again while a new party of loyal players will start complaining about the fixes. Oh wait that is what happening right now and will continue to happen because ZOS cannot please everyone. Oh the irony.

I get what you are saying but that's the whole come up with good content people will be excited like we where with the justice system. If its bad content then sure people are not gonna be excited about it and kinda turned off or negative. Can't just say because people wont react right you cant let us know.

But as far as teasers. They could let us know what they got in store in a general aspect. And by simply saying "this is still in development and could change but we are looking to implement something like this..." It really relieves them of any commitment and other gamers would certainly point this out.

I'm not saying they should make stuff up but I know they got a lot of things on the drawing board that are hitting development that they could show us or give us glimpses of... At least they better have lol.

if someone takes it wrong or as indefinite then that's they're fault and someone should correct them in a forum or other outlet and explain that's they said it was still up in the air.

Nothing is definite until its live....

And I thought news and content for the game was the whole purpose of the ESO LIVE. It seems to me they could really retain a lot of veteran players by dropping more crumbs. People are sitting around at capped lvl right now just itching for something to keep them interested. Yea sure no one wants to promise anyone anything that's not certain so they could let us know up front its not set in stone.

Also,

Watch some other Live letters from other games. They are full of content....

Check out live letters from FFXIV. Just one good reference. Screen shots, dungeon walk-throughs, ability teasers, Armor teasers, playing housing simulations, endgame and PVP teasers, and hot fixes for all.

THE ENTIRE SEGMENT IS ABOUT WHAT IS COMING TO THE GAME (Sorry sticky caps lock hehehe)

I just feel this outlet has really gotten of track and has just turned into a lets hang out with the fans.

Kingdinguhling

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

With EVERY mmo, these sorts of things (live sessions, forums, etc.) are part of the marketing drill. Keep that in mind.

They have no desire to keep you informed. They are not obliged to keep you informed. They are only throwing meat to the hungry beasts, not trying to tame them.

There is no meat lol. Its all veggies. And I acknowledge that a lot of it is probably a marketing ploy but they could easily retain more subs if they offered more.

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Darkonflare15

Valymer wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Well it is no point in them telling players about new content if they are not 100% sure about the content.

Like Quakecon?

Exactly

Psychobunni

@Kingdinguhling I could only put up with the fluff for one episode, so I give you credit for continuing to tune in. I agree, less fluff and more grit is needed.

Gidorick

Kevinmon wrote: »

Completely agree, ESO live sucks because it doesn't say anything new about the game.

It's not supposed to be a vehicle for announcement. It's supposed to be an entertaining community event.

Complaining that ESO LIVE doesn't give us anything new is like complaining that the Daily Show doesn't give us stock quotes.

Troneon

They sort of "skimmed" over the game breaking issues and moved on to the easy questions....

Mantic0r3

shows like eso live will never reveal anything major, at best you get some goodies (like that shoulder pat or archiecture stuff) normally you will only get information that are allready published.

if you expect more then dont tune in cause its not going to happen

Khaldar

Troneon wrote: »

They sort of "skimmed" over the game breaking issues and moved on to the meaningless questions....

Fixed.

Grao

Kingdinguhling wrote: »

Honestly this could just be a personal preference or it could be something that everyone is thinking and really wants to know.

I have been watching the ESO Live's for a while now and I have noticed that most of it is just full of jokes, someone life history, events for role players and then a few giveaways.

the rest of it is a Q&A that usually is stuff that people really never even thought of. I understand that some of these are viable arguments or problems, and yes they should be addressed. but we are not all worried about hiding armor pads... etc

My main concern is that we really aren't getting much information as to where the game is heading.

I am just speculating but I would guess that over 85-90% of your customers are curious about future patches or implementation of features or content.

It feels to me that either the Devs are either afraid to announce information or are saving the information for bigger audiences as a marketing ploy.

I guess what im trying to say is we are here for the game and are tuning in to see where the game is going. the giveaways are nice and the Q&A is ok but the questions selected seem directed at a small percentage or minor features.

But what we really want is information on fixes, bugs, implementation, and content (WE LOVE CONTENT). We understand to keep the ESO live episode fun and upbeat and not just a power point presentation we need small things like "Give-Aways" or the "Find the Black Cat". but a whole segment of life at ZOS is kinda weird and could be moved to another outlet.

I wonder if there are others out here that feels this way if so share your opinion.

We like the game but not all of us are role players it sounds like they love it but it doesn't sound like everyone's cup of tea.

I guess what I'm asking is can we get more content out of this for the really hungry gamers out there.

I'm not trying to be negative... just constructive. I am certain teasers and information regarding updates are a lot more effective at retaining consumer attention.

Also just for future notice. It scares a lot of us when every answer there is something to do with the crown store. (Its never gonna be the main course of the meal. Its like you are suggesting we have really good brussel sprouts if you don't really like how we cooked your steak)

The truth ZoS doesn't want to spotlight is that ESO is going nowhere, at least until June, when consoles will be released. They can't give us any dates first because they have no dates to give, having no new content ready to be deployed, second because giving us any date would make it official that for the next 3-5 months nothing new will come to Tamriel.

They have no plans other than releasing the game for consoles.

Ffastyl

I get the distinct feeling that ZOS will not announce something until they are ready. Until the product is tested, debugged (as much as they can in-house), polished, and triple checked they cannot announce any details on said product because it is not a final product and therefore subject to change.

Think about when they announced XP would be tracked and converted to CP, and then changed the decision to a flat 30 CP for everyone, and how upset we as a community became. The former announcement was in the early development of the Champion System, before they even had a fully functional UI to show. Later on in development they realised the power gap such a conversion would make and changed it. ZOS tried being transparent but learned the hard way why companies typically are not. Things change over the development cycle. Things drastically change. ZOS wants to hold out announcements until the product is past the point where it can drastically change.

Or at least this is my interpretation of ZOS's decisions.

AshTal

I don't watch them I simply get the recap. Yes they are full of fluff that has no interest to me what so ever. However I am also aware that compared to most MMO's this is a huge step forward. In most MMO's we get no info, they have a monthly bit of info released and it tends to be just the fluff part on an ESO live web chat,

Yes I would like more real information but I suspect they can't supply new info every week to us.

Audigy

I see ESO Live more as a show, than a presentation.

To me, its really interesting to hear how those guys and girls got to ZOS. Look at Gina, she has a law degree and is now working as an assistant community manager, this is how life can treat you at times. Or when they had the music guy in their show, one of the best guests ever.

Personally, I would be fine with less give away´s - I never win anything anyways ..., but ya I really think the show is pretty decent. What I would love to see is more behind the scenes stuff, showing us videos of their work environment, the office of Kai for instance etc.

Besides that, whenever I asked a question I got an answer - I think that's more than we could ask for especially since mine tend to be a bit critical at times

New content every two weeks seems hard, but a feature like a suggested timeline might be cool. They could just add a new made piece of art public, or a new piece of music - just small snippets which they pin on that timeline, I would like that.

Seraphyel

Kingdinguhling wrote: »

My main concern is that we really aren't getting much information as to where the game is heading.

It feels to me that either the Devs are either afraid to announce information or are saving the information for bigger audiences as a marketing ploy.

They showed us last year (the announcements range from 10-5 months ago):

* Imperial City

* Murkmire

* Wrothgar

* Spellcrafting

* A handful other zones they are working on


What we got by now:

* No Imperial City

* No Murkmire

* No Wrothgar

* No Spellcrafting

* No new zones or any footage of the stuff they're working on


NOTHING(!!!) what has been announced has been made it into the game yet. In a "Road Ahead" article they said IC was planned to get live before Champion System, before Justice System and so on. Where is IC? "Delayed"? Yeah, sure.

What should they announce? All the things they announced last year are still not live yet, should they announce them again?

Their information management always has been slow but as you said, right now we don't know anything about the "future". And that's for sure no good sign.


Here is the interview (August 20th): http://tamrieljournal.com/road-ahead-august-20/

That's what they said in the last part of the interview:

“Expect to see soon”: new facial animation system, improved grouping, fixes to player separation issues

“Expect to see in a while”: Imperial City, Champion System

“Expect to see later”: Justice System, Spellcrafting

Kingdinguhling

AshTal wrote: »

I don't watch them I simply get the recap. Yes they are full of fluff that has no interest to me what so ever. However I am also aware that compared to most MMO's this is a huge step forward. In most MMO's we get no info, they have a monthly bit of info released and it tends to be just the fluff part on an ESO live web chat,

Yes I would like more real information but I suspect they can't supply new info every week to us.

this is pretty far off. look at other MMO's live episode's or announcement's you get all kinds of information and teasers.
(MMO's like FFXIV have excellent teasers on where the game is heading and what's being added)

- FFXIV letter from the producer live

They also may not adhere to the exact time line either but at least they are showing us cool stuff that they are working on.


As for the life at ZOS segment people have mixed feeling about this completely. I think it could be a entire other outlet in its own.

- Interviews with staff from ZOS
- They're life story
- how they came to ZOS
- And they're education

All could be posted somewhere else it really has nothing to do with where the game is heading.

Yes, it is cool to hear how they made it there. And yes some of it is pretty exotic where they originated from. But some could say what are they even doing there. Could there be someone even better suited for the job or task. This is just a double edge sword. Not trying to bash someone or the work they are doing but it just doesn't seem like we are getting anything out of this atm. And a lot of the community is worried about where this game is heading. And even if we didn't get a exact timeline if they at least showed us some screen shots or diagrams or other forms of teasers of the development they are working on then at least it would appeal to the majority I believe that are concerned.

Folkb

As long as @ZOS_GinaBruno is on ESO live I am happy!

hmm that came out creepier in text than in my head.

BigM

I like we have it, just to see her have that look while talking about our last loyalty award. You could see she was uncomfortable talking about it. She knows how we feel about it yet they won't confront the issue by talking about it.

I hope once the console versions come out they do a whole remake of the show and make it more interesting.

Seraphyel

Kingdinguhling wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

I don't watch them I simply get the recap. Yes they are full of fluff that has no interest to me what so ever. However I am also aware that compared to most MMO's this is a huge step forward. In most MMO's we get no info, they have a monthly bit of info released and it tends to be just the fluff part on an ESO live web chat,

Yes I would like more real information but I suspect they can't supply new info every week to us.

this is pretty far off. look at other MMO's live episode's or announcement's you get all kinds of information and teasers.
(MMO's like FFXIV have excellent teasers on where the game is heading and what's being added)

- FFXIV letter from the producer live

They also may not adhere to the exact time line either but at least they are showing us cool stuff that they are working on.

I don't know the exact answer for that but maybe it has something to do with effort and success.

FF XIV ARR is undeniably the most successful MMORPG of the last years (besides Guild Wars 2 but that's an B2P type of game), it sold over 4 million copies within 1.5 years and received very good reviews from critics and fans alike. And what SquareEnix did within those 1.5 years is unimaginable, they added a dozen new dungeons / raids, new quests, a new class, a new job, a 3 faction battleground and much more and in June they will release a massive addon with 3 new classes, a huge new continent where you can fly, a new race and so on.

What I want to say: it's easier to be open-hearted and outspoken when you've got a successful and appreciated product. If your product has always been in doubt, every Q&A thing will be some kind of awkward because you have to save appearances even if the situation seems to be different.

I liked their Live-thing half a year ago, it was less restrained and felt less compelled.

WhiskyBob

I loved how they refered to question about the "light side" of justice system meaning - Enforcers

"We know people are asking"

thats it.

But when question was asked about "boob windows" they gave a full [snip] lecture.
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Xjcon

I'd have to wager a guess that they fear saying too much to this community like they did when they talked about people being rewarded for continuing to play before 1.6. I would love to know what's in the works, I'm at the edge of my seat waiting to hear if something new is coming, I don't want to quit playing eso but there isn't anything new for my play style.

Kingdinguhling

Seraphyel wrote: »

I don't know the exact answer for that but maybe it has something to do with effort and success.

FF XIV ARR is undeniably the most successful MMORPG of the last years (besides Guild Wars 2 but that's an B2P type of game), it sold over 4 million copies within 1.5 years and received very good reviews from critics and fans alike. And what SquareEnix did within those 1.5 years is unimaginable, they added a dozen new dungeons / raids, new quests, a new class, a new job, a 3 faction battleground and much more and in June they will release a massive addon with 3 new classes, a huge new continent where you can fly, a new race and so on.

What I want to say: it's easier to be open-hearted and outspoken when you've got a successful and appreciated product. If your product has always been in doubt, every Q&A thing will be some kind of awkward because you have to save appearances even if the situation seems to be different.

I liked their Live-thing half a year ago, it was less restrained.

I was just using this as an Example of a good way to teaser people and a good live show once every month or few weeks.

FFXIV letters from the producer live are chalk full of all kinds of goodies.

And you know the first copy of FFXIV flopped like a pancake. ARR took them 2 years to fix. they had to take it down and remake the entirety of the game and as you said, yes, it the most amazing success story.

I love FFXI played it for 8 years religiously but FFXIV was too cookie cutter, mainstream for me. (WOW remake)

If they started possibly giving us photos or concept art along with other good teasers it would go a long way with showing us they are actually working on something.

I just feel that with the current state of ESO Live its really just all a waste of time unless you want to get a job at ZOS or wanna find out when community events are.

Seraphyel

Xjcon wrote: »

I'd have to wager a guess that they fear saying too much to this community like they did when they talked about people being rewarded for continuing to play before 1.6. I would love to know what's in the works, I'm at the edge of my seat waiting to hear if something new is coming, I don't want to quit playing eso but there isn't anything new for my play style.

What should they announce?

They announced a million things in the last year and we haven't got anything of it, should they announce more stuff that will be here 2017, 2018 with their recent development speed?

Imperial City, Murkmire, Wrothgar, Spell Crafting, there are a dozen things announced and at least 5 new zones (there is a video about all of them), but to announce isn't enough, you need to deliver.

Darkonflare15

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Watching ESO live can give you gaming cancer. Seriously.

I loved how they refered to question about the "light side" of justice system meaning - Enforcers

"We know people are asking"

thats it.

But when question was asked about "boob windows" they gave a full f*ckin lecture.

Yeah because this question was ask about a lot times by players 5 weeks ago. It is actually overdue plus since they do have relevant information about Enforcers that not going change they did not talk about it because we all know once they talk about and it and it changes later on people will complain that ZOS lied to them again.

Kingdinguhling

I am not saying they need to announce anything new...

Giving us screen shots or maps or concept art of those things would go a long way.

And I honestly believe they are hemorrhaging customers atm. this could at least show us something like the outlet was initially intended for and save some subs. But if you don't agree I understand.

Some people love the current state of ESO Live.

I am not sure if they are working on anything atm lol....well other than crown store.