Stamina vs Magicka

Kypho

Stamina: Block, roll, sprint, sneak
Magicka: spam huge dps.

Blocked magic should cost magicka. Blocked physical should cost stamina. Thx.

Kupoking

Been an issue since day 1. Now at least both are balanced

CMG138

That would be very interesting if blocked spells cost magicka instead of stamina.

Erock25

Kypho wrote: »

Blocked magic should cost magicka. Blocked physical should cost stamina. Thx.

You do know that this would make magicka builds more powerful, right?

Kypho

Erock25 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Blocked magic should cost magicka. Blocked physical should cost stamina. Thx.

You do know that this would make magicka builds more powerful, right?

not sure. im stamina based, ralely using magicka. so a magic caster can easy deplete my stamina, because i block, roll, attack, and he just spam the OP magic dmg, while only blocking my attack. So if i would block magic with my magicka, it would be the same what he does. i would use stam attack, magicka block, he would use magicka attack, and stamina block.

Like i get 28k stamina, need it to attack, roll, block. Opponent has 30k magicka for spam the highly overpowered damage. Who has advantage? Magicka BIIIIG times. Blocking magic with magicka would help me because i dont need to block his animcanceled OPdmg with my stam.
Plus, not sure, but if god tanks wont hold block+spam magic attacks, because blockin depletes stam and mgicka if they are outnumbered. Hybrids could do both attack, and deplete both resources of a godtank. More usage of hybrids. as i said im not sure if that could work, but well...
PPL wont just spam magic crap because they need it for blocking, just as stam users doesnt spam stamina or they die. Weakness of stamina build is 3 times bigger than magicka build atm.


PS.: Dont come with bow snipe, because it still need more timing than any other attack. Stealth, position, buffs. Without that, its just a weak attack with cast time. Wrecking blow is great like an average fragment, but its meele, can be stunned while casting it, easy to spot it because slow.

Dekkameron

With stamina i can run pretty fast, magicka i can melt people faces.....

failkiwib16_ESO

Why don't you play with a magicka build then?

I heal in pve dungeons, and my worst nightmare is playing with stamina build dps, where i have to cast double the amount of spear shards to the dps than the tank, so they can do dps at all and spam healing on them at the same time. Combat prayer and other buff spells don't buff stamina build dps either Q_Q

Khivas_Carrick

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Why don't you play with a magicka build then?

I heal in pve dungeons, and my worst nightmare is playing with stamina build dps, where i have to cast double the amount of spear shards to the dps than the tank, so they can do dps at all and spam healing on them at the same time. Combat prayer and other buff spells don't buff stamina build dps either Q_Q

That's when you get a second Templar to throw shards too =D

EDIT* Also I've found that for DPS Stamina is more about stronger super burst and magicka is more about steady and sustained.

technohic

What? I thought the meta was all stamina and medium armor now because it was just good?

This place is bipolar. lol I am glad that WB worked in small groups on the PTS to where it was soooo OP.


While it is true that light armor got nerfed and you can get melted in it; the fact is shields are still way better than mitigation and most of those are magicka; CC is freaking spammable and cost less than the stam it cost to break it; 1 heal high up in alliance rank to go with the piddly little ones in weapon tree does not put stamina anywhere near magicka in building good self heals even; and finally, outside of retreating maneuvers, how much group support utility does stamina actually have?


They have tried buffing it in strength, which it didn't need. And they tried giving more abilities for it which is part of what it needed, but still did not give it much for group utilities, just one heal which is great, but is by itself. And then they increased the cost of block, roll, and break free. The only thing they effectively did is make light so squishy that you pick your poison.

Code2501

Stam builds are doing 1.5x the face melt that magicka builds are atm so not sure where this nonsense is comming from.

Xsorus

Code2501 wrote: »

Stam builds are doing 1.5x the face melt that magicka builds are atm so not sure where this nonsense is comming from.

Cause people actually pvped for more then 10 minutes...

Zsymon

Erock25 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Blocked magic should cost magicka. Blocked physical should cost stamina. Thx.

You do know that this would make magicka builds more powerful, right?

And stamina tanks infinitely weaker, I agree, bad idea.

Zsymon

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS one target and soak up the healer's magicka, without any buffs or heals or shields to give the group.

Kypho

Zsymon wrote: »

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS and soak up the healer's magicka.

Completly true

Code2501

Zsymon wrote: »

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS one target and soak up the healer's magicka, without any buffs or heals or shields to give the group.

May be true for DK and Temp but not true for NB. Without going near a 2hander, Stam NB > Mag NB hands down atm. Fact is stam build gets to use their mag for utility, NB have no damage shields and no burst heal so they dont need much magicka. From a DPS NB perspective Stam>Mag all over, the numbers don't lie.

technohic

Code2501 wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS one target and soak up the healer's magicka, without any buffs or heals or shields to give the group.

May be true for DK and Temp but not true for NB. Without going near a 2hander, Stam NB > Mag NB hands down atm. Fact is stam build gets to use their mag for utility, NB have no damage shields and no burst heal so they dont need much magicka. From a DPS NB perspective Stam>Mag all over, the numbers don't lie.

You also are built to kill a single target quick with the stam NB. It winds up being for a different purpose but most meaningful fights are group oriented in both PvE and PvP.

Khivas_Carrick

As a Stamina 2H Templar I feel that I bring a decent amount of neat tricks to the table >_>

Code2501

technohic wrote: »

You also are built to kill a single target quick with the stam NB.

Point being? Stam players applying "face-melt" that mag players don't have perhaps? but yes, lets further 'Balance' the game based on only 2 of 4 classes and ignore the fact that some classes are more than doing just fine with stamina builds and actually need a magicka buff.

Skafsgaard

Yes, if I can use my magicka to break free..

Shilling

Kypho wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS and soak up the healer's magicka.

Completly true

What about a stamina nightblade going grim focus stealth then ambush in (20% more damage + grim focus) then spamming ambush and surprise attacking maybe calling in an ice comet, they don't need stealth because they don't need to hide.....

Woeler

Stamina is gonna get hit even harder with the next patch with the no regen while blocking. A complete nonsense addition to the game.

leepalmer95

Shilling wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Stamina builds are in NO way stronger than magicka builds now, the only thing they have going for them is spamming Wrecking Blow for single target dps purposes. They have no heals, no utility, no group support, no survivability, no shields, the only thing they have is getting lucky with WB on light armor users. But if the magicka user has a shield up or blocks, then the magicka user will win.

Stamina isn't anywhere near being comparable to magicka in PvP or PvE, and I really don't think spamming WB at trials against bosses to top the DPS meter counts for much, the boss was going to die anyway even if WB didn't top the meter. In smaller groups you have to be useful to the group, not just DPS and soak up the healer's magicka.

Completly true

What about a stamina nightblade going grim focus stealth then ambush in (20% more damage + grim focus) then spamming ambush and surprise attacking maybe calling in an ice comet, they don't need stealth because they don't need to hide.....

don't ever bother, the nb defence will turn up and cry about how glass they are, ignore the fact a stam nb's dmg is ridiculous and the fact that they don't get hit because of cloak + dodge roll.