ZOS - Make it so you can't message the other faction while in Cyrodiil. (Mini Rant Included).

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

I like being able to talk to members of the other faction in Cyrodiil.

The friendly trash talk and nerd rage after a 30 second teabag keeps me playing this game.

You know my preferred way of asserting dominance like that, which instead of being rude to my slain enemy is actually constructive to gameplay? I go kill their friend that just came over the hill, too.

pppontus · March 2015

Blocking cross faction whispers in Cyrodiil would be very useful for blocking people from talking to their friends, and of no use at all to block people from sharing "information", trash talking or whatever it is people are afraid of. As long as people have sufficient motivation they will find another way. Whether that is TS, in game mail, you name it.

yodased · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Anyone else read this as he didn't want you to be able to jump campaigns but got shut down somehow? Carefully chosen words are carefully chosen.

This is a social game damnit, not a pvp game is the direction. MOAR candy crush, LESS DOAC!~

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Anyone else read this as he didn't want you to be able to jump campaigns but got shut down somehow? Carefully chosen words are carefully chosen.

This is a social game damnit, not a pvp game is the direction. MOAR candy crush, LESS DOAC!~

I wish we couldn't just jump to bandwagon-winner onto other campaigns whenever things don't go our way in PVP. It was supposed to work like that, and should. LESS candy crush, please. MORE daoc/warhammer and actual competitive spirit in the playerbase.

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Anyone else read this as he didn't want you to be able to jump campaigns but got shut down somehow? Carefully chosen words are carefully chosen.

This is a social game damnit, not a pvp game is the direction. MOAR candy crush, LESS DOAC!~

Yep, I read the message that way also. Poor Brian, I bet he has great intentions for ESO PvP but the higher ups have a different vision.

yodased · March 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

I wish we couldn't just jump to bandwagon-winner onto other campaigns whenever things don't go our way in PVP. It was supposed to work like that, and should. LESS candy crush, please. MORE daoc/warhammer and actual competitive spirit in the playerbase.

Huzzah! Hopefully you don't think I was calling for candypvp. Was intentionally over the top sarcastic.

Samadhi · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

This would foster my immersion as a soldier in the Three Banners War.
This would also facilitate a more positive community rapport by moderating distasteful content.

: pokerface :

Personally just set myself to offline while in Cyrodiil after getting tired of the rage.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

I wish we couldn't just jump to bandwagon-winner onto other campaigns whenever things don't go our way in PVP. It was supposed to work like that, and should. LESS candy crush, please. MORE daoc/warhammer and actual competitive spirit in the playerbase.

Huzzah! Hopefully you don't think I was calling for candypvp. Was intentionally over the top sarcastic.

Confession: I didn't get the sarcasm until you mentioned it now

. /cheers

DHale · March 2015

I like the ability and use the ability to talk to DC and EP players and some are really cool. If you dont want to message them or have them message you don't do it. Don't take away that from us or those that want to. You shouldn't get to decide how I play the game and I don't get to decide how you play the game. If I was in charge all RP would be banned? I think it's silly and childish and would never do it in a million years but I support you doing it. My suggestion to the paternal nanyists in the game make a long complicated name for your toon. NO one will message you... ever.

timidobserver · March 2015

Just add a toggle. Cross Alliance Communication. Check to enable.

Winnamine · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Please don't

PainfulFAFA · March 2015

I totally agree with removing or at least limiting cross faction communication simply because of players that let their cross faction friends know where our allies are on their way. B

I find it odd that our good pug leaders are calling out their attacks in zone trying to get the faction on the same page only to get wiped because the enemy was there waiting for them...that why I'm for th removal of comms.

Winnamine · March 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

I totally agree with removing or at least limiting cross faction communication simply because of players that let their cross faction friends know where our allies are on their way. B

I find it odd that our good pug leaders are calling out their attacks in zone trying to get the faction on the same page only to get wiped because the enemy was there waiting for them...that why I'm for th removal of comms.

Won't help a bit.
You'd still be able to talk to people in your guilds and on your contact list, and obviously if you're spying for them, those two conditions would probably apply.
Or teamspeak. Or any instant messenger.
There are so many ways to get around that.
You might make spying slightly more inconvenient, maybe, possibly, probably not.
But you'd be making cross faction friendships/frenemies/dueling/alliances very hard to set up indeed.

Edit: oh and you can thank much of the "spying" to well intentioned streamers who haven't figured out covering up their chat window or delays, though since zone chat plans always take forever to implement, a two minute delay might not make a difference anyway.

Turelus · March 2015

I would be most disappointed if ZOS did make a change to block it.

I have enjoyed being able to send common enemies a message thanking them for good fights, arranging fights if Cyrodiil is boring etc.

Also with the lock on being able to have two characters of opposing factions in the same campaign we can just switch to another character and share VOIP information or another chat means and continue what is happening.
If ZOS want to stop communications between alliances I would like to know their reasons for it and how they feel it adds to the game, personally one of my loves about it was that it was close to EVE Online where you have alliances of interest for short times, arranged duels when nothing is happening etc.

Please leave Cyrodiil as a sandbox where the players create content and just give us more tools to do so rather than trying to restrict us.

jnjdun_ESO · March 2015

I wish the enemy faction could see what we say in /yell or /say. Can you imagine the trash talk and epeen slinging?

I love people who rage hard. It amuses this one to no end.

One of my guildies was threatened with death irl. We took great satisfaction in knowing that our little group caused this fella to have a transient ischemic attack.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

(and also ruin the immersion of the experience).

You used a PvE word. Get that guar dung out of here. Imerzunz boo!!!!!

Immersion is not communicating with the other faction. Not everyone really cares about the other faction, or wants to hear what they have to say or wants to join up with them. That is immersion to me, and I know other people as well who think the same thing. Realm pride doesn't exist in this game. It's non-existent.

Although, ZOS should listen to their player base that actually wants to stick with the game. It appears most people are against what I was talking about. Therefore, ZOS should keep it the way it is now. However, since ZOS often doesn't listen I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it. I guess that sort of sums up ZOS in a lot of ways.

Blobsky · March 2015

HONESTLY?!

Why remove cross alliance communication? many of us have alts on all fractions, friends on all factions and like to practise with people of other factions.

Seriously, Communcating between alliances is such a HUGE part of the game - Many people like myself play largely just to talk to people, and many of them (two thirds, no surprise there with 3 factions) are enemy alliances. If you want to keep people in game, let them talk freely with each other!

An All-faction friendly Blob

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when this would happen.

On one level, I'd love to see players within Cyrodiil being blocked from communication with other people from enemy factions (regardless of their location). However, and this could just be how you worded it, while on a personal level I'd be happy to see it blocked period, I don't think doing so when both players aren't inside Cyro would go over well with a large segment of the playerbase unfortunately. And there are good things about being able to talk cross-faction with skilled enemies, too, such as @Roechacca describes:

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Angavar wrote: »

Disagree.

I, and many others, enjoy the cross faction chat without using it to trash talk or whinge to the enemy. Its awesome to be able to whisper an enemy player after a particularly good fight and show respect, or discuss builds and counters. It helps you learn and grow in skill.

Having said that, there will always be sore losers, and that is why we have an ignore function.

In fact, this function sets ESO PvP apart from every other mmo, where the enemy is just another faceless player.

If it was a toggle ability would it still bother You ?

If I could just toggle personal messages off, that would be a good thing. Is there a way to turn personal messages off? I didn't really think about this, sometimes MMO's have that option.

I have had the same experience with saying even something as simple as "good fight!" to someone I just died to or beat. Sometimes it's just a nice gesture which is great. Sometimes we chat a little and both get something to learn out of it. So while on the pure "RED IS DEAD!!!! WE ARE AT WAR!!!!" front which I very much do subscribe to on an overall basis, it does have tangible benefits to be able to chat across faction lines, so on another level I'd hate to see the communication blocked once more.

P.S. Sky Chancellor, go into your chat filters by clicking the cogwheel at the top right of your chat box, and uncheck "Sends". You will no longer see whispers in that chat tab until it is re-enabled.

I changed it, did so a couple of days ago.

Blobsky wrote: »

HONESTLY?!

Why remove cross alliance communication? many of us have alts on all fractions, friends on all factions and like to practise with people of other factions.

Seriously, Communcating between alliances is such a HUGE part of the game - Many people like myself play largely just to talk to people, and many of them (two thirds, no surprise there with 3 factions) are enemy alliances. If you want to keep people in game, let them talk freely with each other!

An All-faction friendly Blob

"An All-faction friendly Blob", that is exactly why this is not a great RvRvR game.

Blobsky · March 2015

"An All-faction friendly Blob", that is exactly why this is not a great RvRvR game.

No, this is why the game is a thriving community when it comes to talking. Just because we are vs each other does not mean we CAN'T TALK to each other. Even from a non PvP perspective, I own a HUGE trade guild which is ALL factions (many will probably comment here too). We are good friends, talk every day and play the game largely for that.

INSIDE of PvP it is still nice - It gives that competitive edge, as it is a game not a WAR after all.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

I wish the enemy faction could see what we say in /yell or /say. Can you imagine the trash talk and epeen slinging?

I love people who rage hard. It amuses this one to no end.

One of my guildies was threatened with death irl. We took great satisfaction in knowing that our little group caused this fella to have a transient ischemic attack.

When you hear people talk like that, you're hearing internet courage. You're hearing an immature person who doesn't have anything better to do other than to be negative and say negative things. That type of communication is trash.

Now with said, people on here have good communication with the opposing faction. Communication which is productive, setting up duals and such. I've had communication with the opposing faction that has been fun and intelligent. That is the positive of cross-faction communication. I see everyone's perspective. I just don't agree with it. I think this game is basically lacking in pvp realm pride. Which I thought might exist when I first started. It doesn't have that.

synnerman · March 2015

In wow you cannot talk to enemies at all and the animosity in game between the factions is great. I was really surprised that in an AvA game everyone can be loveydovey with each other etc. Make it so there is faction pride and no communication at all .

martinhpb16_ESO · March 2015

NO NO NO to OP.

I have some really good chats with people on the other side. Some of them are regulars now.

I have only met one troll and he went on ignore.

Its really nice to be able to talk with someone after a good fight, helps to connect with the person on the other side instead of raging against pixels.

I would be really sad if this was taken away.

newtinmpls · March 2015

For me there is a positive immersion aspect in the idea of being able to talk to those of opposing factions.

I can't express it as well as he can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi41RWaTCs

Kuro1n · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Just don't. Many of my friends are on the other factions and I enjoy talking to them after fights and so on. If you start doing stuff like that I might as well just quit the game, that means you are just following GW2s route and I do not want to be a part of that.

JaJaLuka · March 2015

Yes you can turn off all whispers entirely. If you make a new chat tab specially for pvp right click to bring up the settings/options you have a filter system and can choose what comes into your chat window such as guild chats, whispers, zone etc. Though be aware you won't get *any* whispers, including from your own faction.

riverdragon72 · March 2015

Astien wrote: »

Who wouldn't want messages like this? lol Clearly when they get this mad you're doing your job.

All of AD apologizes for sarenvog.

Lord_Hev · March 2015

nooooooo

I love chatting with all my DC and EP Frenemies! Hell, I chat more with my frenemies then people of my own faction sometimes lol.

The cross-faction communication adds that extra spice to the Alliance war. Removing it would be a travesty, and a great immersion breaker... don't you dare break my immersions ZOS. You've broken enough already...

Sypher · March 2015

How will I have erotic conversations with the enemy with limits on my cross-faction messaging?

Are you trying to cockblock me?

EvilEmpire · March 2015

I love being able to call people out on their cheese. I'll also tell ppl good fight if I thought so. But I would be very disappointed if I couldn't talk *** to someone after they've just killed me with the open field fall damage garbage or make fun of w'r'x and his cheese train of impulse/bats.

olsborg · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

Please dont. I have friends in other factions, good ones too, we whisper everyday and compare data/builds etc and also help eachother test things. If this was done, these relationships would be over.