Any Self Healing Skills Nightblade? Non HoT Just Straight Healing?

Vaerth

Ok, so I guess what I am looking for is more of an instant heal rather than the HoT given by Strife and its morphs. I am currently playing as a vampire Nightblade and yes the Drain Essence is a good spell, but try using that in a boss fight and you are done for. Strife is just not my cup of team animation wise, I am a bit picky as I like to RP and Dark character and this one just does not really fit the bill for me lol.

I just dual wield and a bow, no type of staff would be an option for me. I am currently more of a stamina build based on the 1.6 changes, but I am ok with splitting magika and stamina for some spells and some physical. I am looking for a heal that does not really require a target I guess. I am not against a target, but I wanted a self heal and Strife isnt really the "fit" for me lol.

Leeching Strikes it seems hardly heals, and does not work well from what I have seen since it requires hitting with weapon, where as Siphioning Attacks grants resource regen with all skills used. With 1.6 did they add in any true healing skills for the Nightblade class?

Gilvoth

we nightblades need something like Green Dragon Blood like the dragonights have.
we die too easily and those stupid heal over time skills are just not realistic nor do they work. fights in pvp usualy last only a few seconds, during that few seconds i need to be able to heal myself instantly not - over time - but instantly!

Vaerth

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we nightblades need something like Green Dragon Blood like the dragonights have.
we die too easily and those stupid heal over time skills are just not realistic nor do they work. fights in pvp usualy last only a few seconds, during that few seconds i need to be able to heal myself instantly not - over time - but instantly!

Exactly what I am here looking for lol. Just something that can give me a instant self heal. Guess I have to roll a DK or templar if I want to heal

MuseTheDrunkenDragon

That's why I use werewoof so much, but I see that's not really an option for you.

Vaerth

MuseTheDrunkenDragon wrote: »

That's why I use werewoof so much, but I see that's not really an option for you.

Yeah I am not opposed to a werewolf but I want my human form to resemble the unnatural mark of a werewolf if I was to be one. For example, maybe longer teeth lol while in Human form. As long as I look the same in human form, than for RP reasons a werewolf wont be good for me in my personal opinion lol.

TheShadowScout

No heals for us...

Nightblades have it tough, all we get are several life-drain HoTs... Strife and its morphs are best, Sap Essence can be good against many opponents, Soul Tether is decent against a single enemy, if you are Dual Wield then Blood Craze is a must, but the rest often is too little to really help out...
Those HoTs are okay in casual fights, but really hurts us sometimes since the only emergency heals we get in a tough spot are potions. HoTs are useless for that, since you have to be in combat for those, and all too often the counterstrike to your lifedrain attack will end you before the HoT can get your HP up again...

NBs also get some "heal on kill" - Kilers Blade, Mark Target and its morphs... which are okay sometime, but useless if you are up against one big opponent since you often would need that heal to just make it through the fight. (can work if there are adds though)

As nightblade, you have to keep up a continuous flow of your HoT attacks to ensuire you never get to that tough spot. Which is something magica NBs can do with some success, stamina NBs... less so.

As for werewolves... it would be neat if werewolf characters got some of the signs stories attribute to werewolves in their non-transformed form as well. Increased body hair. Unibrows. A "witch mark" somewhere on their body. Maybe even yellow-ish "wolf eyes". But I guess that's a different topic from the OP...

Vaerth

TheShadowScout wrote: »

No heals for us...

Nightblades have it tough, all we get are several life-drain HoTs... Strife and its morphs are best, Sap Essence can be good against many opponents, Soul Tether is decent against a single enemy, if you are Dual Wield then Blood Craze is a must, but the rest often is too little to really help out...
Those HoTs are okay in casual fights, but really hurts us sometimes since the only emergency heals we get in a tough spot are potions. HoTs are useless for that, since you have to be in combat for those, and all too often the counterstrike to your lifedrain attack will end you before the HoT can get your HP up again...

NBs also get some "heal on kill" - Kilers Blade, Mark Target and its morphs... which are okay sometime, but useless if you are up against one big opponent since you often would need that heal to just make it through the fight. (can work if there are adds though)

As nightblade, you have to keep up a continuous flow of your HoT attacks to ensuire you never get to that tough spot. Which is something magica NBs can do with some success, stamina NBs... less so.

As for werewolves... it would be neat if werewolf characters got some of the signs stories attribute to werewolves in their non-transformed form as well. Increased body hair. Unibrows. A "witch mark" somewhere on their body. Maybe even yellow-ish "wolf eyes". But I guess that's a different topic from the OP...

Dang, that is really a shame. I am hoping I figure out something or my Death Knight is WoW will have to do lol. I really dislike that I can not make my "Shadow Knight" heal a little bit lol. I am used to being DPS with one or two heals, even heals with a long cool down. But if Nightblade really has nothing...then it is just not that enjoyable for me as i imagined. I only really enjoy using the shadowy / dark types of magic with a two handed weapon. I Vampire knight sounded good when I bought this game, lol, but now I am not so sure it is possible.

The dragonknight wont work for me, I do not like the idea of using fire based skills. Not to mention, I have no idea what I am seeing when using Dragonblood skills. It is qite odd to just be a shade with an enlarged heart lol, not quite what I expected.

Gilvoth

thats why i have droped my nightblade and waited till the champion system, but the champion system is here now and nothing is better as far as a self heal so, i guess ill just go back to my v4 dragonight

Ysne58

What about heals from the resto staff line? I'm not sure they provide a good solution all the time either.

Vaerth

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

thats why i have droped my nightblade and waited till the champion system, but the champion system is here now and nothing is better as far as a self heal so, i guess ill just go back to my v4 dragonight

Perhaps when spellcraft comes out we will have the option to MAKE a heal spell!

Fingers crossed, but at the same time I am not patient and will be heading back to WoW if I do not find a solution to the heals lol.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

We USED to have powerful potions as our instant self-heals, but not any more since they axed potion effectiveness. This nuance was lost when they changed our Catalyst (and Argonian amphibious) passive.

Vaerth

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

We USED to have powerful potions as our instant self-heals, but not any more since they axed potion effectiveness. This nuance was lost when they changed our Catalyst (and Argonian amphibious) passive.

I have never used a potion or food before and I am VR3 lol

Takhistis

Doesn't entropy from mages guild heal you and afterwards heal over time?

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Vaerth wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

We USED to have powerful potions as our instant self-heals, but not any more since they axed potion effectiveness. This nuance was lost when they changed our Catalyst (and Argonian amphibious) passive.

I have never used a potion or food before and I am VR3 lol

Not surprising, 1-50 content is rarely challenging enough to have to use them. But at endgame it was pretty great. Before 1.6, my Argonian NB could get healed for ~1.5k hp (about half my health) from a max level crafted health pot. Sure, still had a 20 second cooldown that took up 2 jewelry enchants, but it was nice and often allowed me to the turn the tables in PvP.

AlnilamE

If NBs had a burst non-targeted self-heal, they would be way OP.

I really like the heals we have, and I'm having fun trying the new Mark Target.

Of course, it doesn't work on a long boss battle with no adds, but wouldn't you have a healer with you in those circumstances?

Vaerth

Takhistis wrote: »

Doesn't entropy from mages guild heal you and afterwards heal over time?

Yes but we are seeking an instant heal and not any HoTs. Perhaps I just have to start all over and be a Dragonknight for the awful animation of Dragonblood lol.

Vaerth

AlnilamE wrote: »

If NBs had a burst non-targeted self-heal, they would be way OP.

I really like the heals we have, and I'm having fun trying the new Mark Target.

Of course, it doesn't work on a long boss battle with no adds, but wouldn't you have a healer with you in those circumstances?

Is this not what makes a Dragonknight OP though? Is this not the exact same thing? lol

AlnilamE

What makes a dragonknight a dragonknight is a combination of things. I think it makes sense for them to have GDB.

A nightblade is a different character, and I like their HoTs and HoKs where they are. If I want to play a DK, I have two to pick from. I don't want all classes to be the same and use the same strategies in similar circumstances. That would be boring.

Vaerth

AlnilamE wrote: »

What makes a dragonknight a dragonknight is a combination of things. I think it makes sense for them to have GDB.

A nightblade is a different character, and I like their HoTs and HoKs where they are. If I want to play a DK, I have two to pick from. I don't want all classes to be the same and use the same strategies in similar circumstances. That would be boring.

Please read the entire thread (including posts not just the OP) then come back, thanks!

AlnilamE

OP, have you considered drain Health enchantments on your weapons?

Vaerth wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What makes a dragonknight a dragonknight is a combination of things. I think it makes sense for them to have GDB.

A nightblade is a different character, and I like their HoTs and HoKs where they are. If I want to play a DK, I have two to pick from. I don't want all classes to be the same and use the same strategies in similar circumstances. That would be boring.

Please read the entire thread (including posts not just the OP) then come back, thanks!

I'm not sure which posts you think I didn't read. People want a Nightblade equivalent to DB. I think NB heals are fine as they are. It's in character for the class.

Vaerth

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, have you considered drain Health enchantments on your weapons?

Vaerth wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What makes a dragonknight a dragonknight is a combination of things. I think it makes sense for them to have GDB.

A nightblade is a different character, and I like their HoTs and HoKs where they are. If I want to play a DK, I have two to pick from. I don't want all classes to be the same and use the same strategies in similar circumstances. That would be boring.

Please read the entire thread (including posts not just the OP) then come back, thanks!

I'm not sure which posts you think I didn't read. People want a Nightblade equivalent to DB. I think NB heals are fine as they are. It's in character for the class.

Not in need of equivalent, just something to keep us alive when playing with no healer friends.

Tamanous

Stamina builds now do more damage than magicka so asking for equivalent self-healing is silly. That said they gained a new melee heal morph and major buff to armor and spell resist can effectively have a 100% upkeep. Any NB build can layer so many hots that each combined tick adds up to MORE than what a DK can do unless they time all their heals at once.

As others have said, it is about the style of the class. ZOS just nerfed shields and likely will always keep nerfing what is more abused in current combat so asking to operate exactly like the abusive combos being used is rather silly. It is the direction ZOS does NOT want to go.

SickDuck

Stamina NBs using DW and bow (like the OP) has pretty much nothing to save 'em from dying even in regular Craglorn mob fights. As a vampire at least you can use bat swarm as a life-saver, but ofc cannot spam that.

It's pretty unique for this playstyle, ANY other has much better options for survival. Funny thing is, this is (one of) the stereotype style for a NB, yet still has the worst survivabilty without any benefit (over other NB builds for example) or reason whatsoever.

nerevarine1138

Vaerth wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, have you considered drain Health enchantments on your weapons?

Vaerth wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What makes a dragonknight a dragonknight is a combination of things. I think it makes sense for them to have GDB.

A nightblade is a different character, and I like their HoTs and HoKs where they are. If I want to play a DK, I have two to pick from. I don't want all classes to be the same and use the same strategies in similar circumstances. That would be boring.

Please read the entire thread (including posts not just the OP) then come back, thanks!

I'm not sure which posts you think I didn't read. People want a Nightblade equivalent to DB. I think NB heals are fine as they are. It's in character for the class.

Not in need of equivalent, just something to keep us alive when playing with no healer friends.

We have lots of that stuff, but it's not in the same form as other classes. Instead of asking for the same abilities as other classes, change up your bars to get the survivability you want.

And someone above mentioned Soul Tether being good for one enemy. I'd advise reading the tooltip again, because Soul Tether is now a temporary immortality buff if you fire it off in the middle of a decently-sized group.

Vaerth

Tamanous wrote: »

Stamina builds now do more damage than magicka so asking for equivalent self-healing is silly. That said they gained a new melee heal morph and major buff to armor and spell resist can effectively have a 100% upkeep. Any NB build can layer so many hots that each combined tick adds up to MORE than what a DK can do unless they time all their heals at once.

As others have said, it is about the style of the class. ZOS just nerfed shields and likely will always keep nerfing what is more abused in current combat so asking to operate exactly like the abusive combos being used is rather silly. It is the direction ZOS does NOT want to go.

What is this new heal morph?

Father

I don't need any self healing on my nightblade...if nb gets a revamp I want agony gone and a dmg shield instead, there are many ways to work around the healing problems, but a dmg shield
even a small one just like dk dmg shield will be fine.

Vaerth

We already have a shield...in fact it is a passive. Look under the Shadow tree for the skill "Shadow Barrier".

Vaerth

Does Blood Craze stack?

haidlir1983

Tamanous wrote: »

Stamina builds now do more damage than magicka so asking for equivalent self-healing is silly. That said they gained a new melee heal morph and major buff to armor and spell resist can effectively have a 100% upkeep. Any NB build can layer so many hots that each combined tick adds up to MORE than what a DK can do unless they time all their heals at once.

As others have said, it is about the style of the class. ZOS just nerfed shields and likely will always keep nerfing what is more abused in current combat so asking to operate exactly like the abusive combos being used is rather silly. It is the direction ZOS does NOT want to go.

What is this “new meele self-heal morph”?

Takhistis

Vaerth wrote: »

Takhistis wrote: »

Doesn't entropy from mages guild heal you and afterwards heal over time?

Yes but we are seeking an instant heal and not any HoTs. Perhaps I just have to start all over and be a Dragonknight for the awful animation of Dragonblood lol.

I meant that I was under the impression that Entrophy heals you when it's cast on target and on top off the instant heal ALSO provide a HoT

Xsorus

Vaerth wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

If NBs had a burst non-targeted self-heal, they would be way OP.

I really like the heals we have, and I'm having fun trying the new Mark Target.

Of course, it doesn't work on a long boss battle with no adds, but wouldn't you have a healer with you in those circumstances?

Is this not what makes a Dragonknight OP though? Is this not the exact same thing? lol

Does a Dragonknight have Stealth that he can pop over and over again? No? Then its not the exact same thing

Tried to explain this to Sorcs when they were whining they deserved a self heal like DK's....they have Bolt Escape...

If you want Self Heals like DKs, you have to either go restro staff, or bloody give up your escape options..cause if you're a DK and you get caught in a fight and someone adds..you either kill them or die.