Reflective Scales

Exstazik

Reflective Scales cost:3591
Light armour reduce:21%
Archmage 8%
Jewelry 3*200=600
Syrabane proc (yeah it procs on reflect)=750 each projectile
Breton 3%
Champion Passive:25% reduce
3591-600-57%=1286 magicka

So every time DK reflect Projectile:1286-750=536 cost per use=Permanent Wings

P.S.Since i don't like skill nerfs maybe remove proc on Syrabane from Reflect skills?

ThatHappyCat

Flat magicka reduction is calculated before magicka reduction %.

Exstazik

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Flat magicka reduction is calculated before magicka reduction %.

Thanks for info.Changed math.....anyway Permanent Wings

ThatHappyCat

It's pretty much down to the Champ passive which people won't achieve for a while, plenty of time for ZOS to nerf it.

(A lot of Champ stuff needs nerfing IMO: it might not be reached for a long time, but if you nerf it AFTER people have reached it there will be tears abound. Do it before people have a reason to whine ZOS.)

ToRelax

Did you calculate it with the 12.3% decrease on percentual reduction?

Hypertionb14_ESO

ya, well, this has always been part of the problem..

Cody

well it can only reflect four projectiles now, so no, its not permanent wings.

Exstazik

Cody wrote: »

well it can only reflect four projectiles now, so no, its not permanent wings.

1 cast :1286-750*4=1714 magicka return per 1 cast

RoamingRiverElk

Scales are still nerfed though - every time one has to cast wings, that's something else that one isn't casting, like green dragon blood or talons or whatever...

dharbert

Exstazik wrote: »

Reflective Scales cost:3591
Light armour reduce:21%
Archmage 8%
Jewelry 3*200=600
Syrabane proc (yeah it procs on reflect)=750 each projectile
Breton 3%
Champion Passive:25% reduce
3591-600-57%=1286 magicka

So every time DK reflect Projectile:1286-750=536 cost per use=Permanent Wings

P.S.Since i don't like skill nerfs maybe remove proc on Syrabane from Reflect skills?

So you want this changed for everyone just because some player might be able to keep scales up for a while using an extremely specific setup? No.

Vanzen

Lol! You dont need all this to get almost permanent wings. Its not hard. But you wont do much else.

Darlgon

Exstazik wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Flat magicka reduction is calculated before magicka reduction %.

Thanks for info.Changed math.....anyway Permanent Wings

Umm.. no.. Permanent Flappy Wings (every four projectile at 1 projectile/ second) = No DPS and no blocking = dead DK.

Rydik

Unlimited dragon scales, lol, how about stamina builds with 4K+ stamina regen?

Sypher

Syrabane returns magicka on reflect?

Or is this thread a few months old.

Someone inform me. I thought it returned magicka for blocked spells.

Exstazik

Sypher wrote: »

Syrabane returns magicka on reflect?

Or is this thread a few months old.

Someone inform me. I thought it returned magicka for blocked spells.

Darlgon

Sypher wrote: »

Syrabane returns magicka on reflect?

Or is this thread a few months old.

Someone inform me. I thought it returned magicka for blocked spells.

I guess if you want to use VR6 gear on a VR14..

FYI, the post date and time is top right of each post. This thread was started today.

dharbert

Darlgon wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Syrabane returns magicka on reflect?

Or is this thread a few months old.

Someone inform me. I thought it returned magicka for blocked spells.

I guess if you want to use VR6 gear on a VR14..

FYI, the post date and time is top right of each post. This thread was started today.

You can get Syrabane in VR12. The rings are hard to come by though.

Sypher

Darlgon wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Syrabane returns magicka on reflect?

Or is this thread a few months old.

Someone inform me. I thought it returned magicka for blocked spells.

I guess if you want to use VR6 gear on a VR14..

FYI, the post date and time is top right of each post. This thread was started today.

I have a full set of v12 syrabane but I remember they changed it to magicka return for blocked spells a few months ago.

Panda244

Don't need Syrabane for permanent wings, you can do it right now in 1.5 and 1.6 if you just have enough recovery, also, reflect was nerfed, so... Why make this thread?

Darlgon

Panda244 wrote: »

Don't need Syrabane for permanent wings, you can do it right now in 1.5 and 1.6 if you just have enough recovery, also, reflect was nerfed, so... Why make this thread?

DKs must be nerfed until they roll up in a ball, crying for mercy and stay there forever for past sins, obviously.

Panda244

Darlgon wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Don't need Syrabane for permanent wings, you can do it right now in 1.5 and 1.6 if you just have enough recovery, also, reflect was nerfed, so... Why make this thread?

DKs must be nerfed until they roll up in a ball, crying for mercy and stay there forever for past sins, obviously.

What's left to nerf though... Seriously. What ability is so OP that it must be nerfed?

Epsilon_Echo

Panda244 wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Don't need Syrabane for permanent wings, you can do it right now in 1.5 and 1.6 if you just have enough recovery, also, reflect was nerfed, so... Why make this thread?

DKs must be nerfed until they roll up in a ball, crying for mercy and stay there forever for past sins, obviously.

What's left to nerf though... Seriously. What ability is so OP that it must be nerfed?

DK Privilege

Panda244

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Don't need Syrabane for permanent wings, you can do it right now in 1.5 and 1.6 if you just have enough recovery, also, reflect was nerfed, so... Why make this thread?

DKs must be nerfed until they roll up in a ball, crying for mercy and stay there forever for past sins, obviously.

What's left to nerf though... Seriously. What ability is so OP that it must be nerfed?

DK Privilege

Mmm... If you let me nerf every other class accordingly then i'll let you nerf my DK

cschwingeb14_ESO

The magicka return on reflect (if still active) is a huge thing. It's a magicka generation bug that needs to be fixed.

Syrabane is a 2-ring, 3 armor set that allows for plenty of flexibility in builds and has decent stats for a magicka build. No need for archmage or massive champ points to turn this into something that makes wings a free cast, because 4 reflects = 3k magicka return.

If you don't see how powerful reflecting 4 attacks with 1 action (and no mana cost) is, you're blinded by DK privilege, and you should get back to calling for nerfs to sorcs.

Erock25

Is it confirmed that Syrabane's gain magicka when blocking a spell actually procs on a spell reflect? That kind of makes no sense.

dharbert

Syrabane + Nikulas' Heavy Armor + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

or

Syrabane + Beckoning Steel + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

Either combination is going to be hilarious to use.

Darlgon

dharbert wrote: »

Syrabane + Nikulas' Heavy Armor + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

or

Syrabane + Beckoning Steel + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

Either combination is going to be hilarious to use.

Yes, it will. My DK will Shield Charge you, Talon you, drop new Cinderstorm on you, then melee and Flame Lash your anti arrow fanny until you die, ending, of course, with a constant series of shield bash...

Exstazik

dharbert wrote: »

Syrabane + Nikulas' Heavy Armor + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

or

Syrabane + Beckoning Steel + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

Either combination is going to be hilarious to use.

What About
Syrabane+Akatosh's Blessed Armor(lvl 50) to troll people even more.

Exstazik

Darlgon wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Syrabane + Nikulas' Heavy Armor + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

or

Syrabane + Beckoning Steel + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

Either combination is going to be hilarious to use.

Yes, it will. My DK will Shield Charge you, Talon you, drop new Cinderstorm on you, then melee and Flame Lash your anti arrow fanny until you die, ending, of course, with a constant series of shield bash...

hmmm....mb just Shield Charge and than (Petrify+Skill)....most people can't react with such CC.

Tankqull

Exstazik wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Syrabane + Nikulas' Heavy Armor + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

or

Syrabane + Beckoning Steel + Reflective Scales + Defensive Stance

Either combination is going to be hilarious to use.

Yes, it will. My DK will Shield Charge you, Talon you, drop new Cinderstorm on you, then melee and Flame Lash your anti arrow fanny until you die, ending, of course, with a constant series of shield bash...

hmmm....mb just Shield Charge and than (Petrify+Skill)....most people can't react with such CC.

not to mention that the cc combination bugs out the cc break ability too

Ezareth

Exstazik wrote: »

Reflective Scales cost:3591
Light armour reduce:21%
Archmage 8%
Jewelry 3*200=600
Syrabane proc (yeah it procs on reflect)=750 each projectile
Breton 3%
Champion Passive:25% reduce
3591-600-57%=1286 magicka

So every time DK reflect Projectile:1286-750=536 cost per use=Permanent Wings

P.S.Since i don't like skill nerfs maybe remove proc on Syrabane from Reflect skills?

Your actual cost for wings in this scenario is 1727 not 1286. Champion max is 15.8% not 25% and it is multiplicative not additive. All cost reduction passives and gear is reduced by 12.3%. 3 magicka legendary enchants provide 623 cost reduction not 600.

The formula is complicated but 1727 is your cost.